Hi Max!
1.
The reason I won't compromise is because I can't agree with doctrines that contradicts the teachings of the Holy Spirit.
I know the truth with absolute certainty.
1. YES! This is why the proof of consensus on God is possible, without fear of compromising.
Because you can recognize when it is consistent with God's truth, and when it is off base.
So this is why you and I have no need to fear.
We can tell it is false. You will not agree, and other Christians will also say NIX
to any explanation that does not ring true with what you know to be absolute meaning and truth in the Bible.
No one is asking you to compromise this.
I am asking you to get involved BECAUSE you will not compromise this!
That's what makes the process work!
Max it's like math or science. We need the people on board who can TELL when the
math or science is OFF BASE and getting the wrong answers.
People like you who can tell right from wrong, true from false,
are absolutely NECESSARY to drive the process toward understanding universal truth
so it does not get derailed.
We are just taking what you already know and expanding the audience
like you said, to reach nontheists, Atheists, Buddhists, secular humanists, etc.
It is the same message and meaning in the Bible as you know it,
or it isn't true and cannot work. You and other Christians will not support
anything less than the truth, so you will make sure it stays on track in agreement in Christ.
2.
MG said:
Why should I not tell others about the truth of Hell?
Again, not asking you "not" to tell the truth.
Just looking at how to explain the meaning and process of hell and also
salvation in more SPECIFIC terms. Just stating it as "being saved by Grace"
and believing in Jesus so you don't suffer hell is not as SPECIFIC as explaining
the path to hell or suffering is paved with unforgiveness and retribution/ill will
while the path to heavenly peace is paved with forgiveness, charity and justice with mercy,
agreement on truth in CHRIST or by CONSCIENCE that sets us free from strife and hell caused by these ills
if we don't forgive them but keep projecting and repeating them to keep humanity going to hell.
Why not EXPLAIN in specific steps or stages HOW the spiritual process actually works for Jesus or divine
justice as the will of God to descend into earth, embody in the heart of man,
and reach out to souls suffering on the path to hell to liberate everyone from sin and suffering repeating
from the past.
How does that process look, feel and work exactly?
Of Atonement, salvation, redemption, recovery, healing to get away
from the path of suffering and hell and get back on track with healthy, whole living and new life
in harmony and peace with good will?
Scientists are like St. Thomas who want to stick their hands into the wounds
of Jesus and UNDERSTAND with their own minds what was wounded and then examine it after it is healed.
They want to see the before/after steps and understand how did this process come to pass?
So let's look into spiritual healing and understand the scientific process
that EXPLAINS how it works. And that is the same process of healing
but spelled out in scientific terms that can be demonstrated medically.
MaxGrit this isn't about toning things down but amping things up!
Instead of just summarizing what's in the Bible,
it's about "spelling out" what the process means of going to heaven or hell,
so all people, even Atheists, can understand spiritually that all
individuals go through this and all humanity as our growth process to reach maturity and understanding.
I think you are afraid of compromise
the same way Atheists don't trust science to prove spiritual healing
because they fear Christians will bias the process and say it is real when it is not.
If we are going to trust science to prove it and not compromise science
(by letting Atheists examine the proof to make sure it is not skewed or screwed up)
let's do the same with the Biblical part, and let YOU and other Christians
(who DO NOT WANT any compromise or dilution) to come together
and police that part, examine it and MAKE SURE it is consistent with what the Bible means.
So if both sides, the Atheists and Christians, are policing the Science end
and the Bible teachings, there cannot be anyone getting away with skewing it falsely to try to force the proof.
It has to pass both teams.
The Science of proving spiritual healing and recovery based on forgiveness is universal
for all humanity will be policed by the nontheist/Atheist team, including Buddhists who have
been researching where past life karma comes from and how people are healed from their pasts.
And the Bible part of teaching the Gospel where it is consistent and UNCONTESTED
will be policed by the Christians like you who will not allow anything wrong, false or misleading
to throw anyone off course from agreement in truth in the spirit of God and Christ Jesus.
NOTE: The four parts I would propose for organizing teams to form a consensus on God, Jesus and the Bible:
A. aligning terms with the meanings of the Holy Trinity
So we can collect examples of all the ways people have explained the Trinity
and share with others who get it that way. If other people don't understand one explanation,
they may relate to another and it's the SAME concept. The poitn is to agree it all
describes the same source, even though expressed differently.
Also, all religions have their own trinity, so the point is to align those and
see the same spirit of Truth and Justice or God and Jesus fulfills all these laws,
and it's all the same Trinity. Human Nature is one, body mind and spirit,
and collectively we are joined together as one in spirit as the ideal: that's one way of explaining
how man is made in the image of God or how God's laws are reflected in the manmade images of God.
both are true at the same time. How can we align our terms and agree where this is talking about the
same sources of life, love, truth and wisdom in the universe that is naturally existent?
B. medical proof of spiritual healing to demonstrate it is a natural process consistent with science
C. conflict resolution and counseling to demonstrate that
forgiveness and unforgiveness
are the key factors in whether people can heal and restore health
of body mind and relations with each other and in greater society
Studies can be done to show that
THESE are the factors that determine if relations go to hell or find heavenly peace
and THIS is the meaning of either dying by retributive justice which is Antichrist
or living by restorative justice which is Jesus Christ.
collectively it means either forgiveness correction and restitution to bring justice and peace,
or it means rejection judgment punishment and division to continue retribution that sends people to hell.
ill will and unforgiveness
vs. good will charity and forgiveness for the sake of Justice or Jesus
D. applying spiritual peacemaking healing and conflict resolution
to political and economic and social problems to prove this works in the real world
to bring equal justice and peace to all relations, nations, and tribes.
So the greatest proof that nontheists may need to see
is that this divine healing by grace really does change the world.
And show proof of political and abusive relations that are turned
around and healed in this divine spirit of Restorative Justice that is Christ Jesus embodied
or incarnated in man's world. This is real and not some myth just for other people to beleive in.
It affects all humanity's future by healing the human spirit of past injustice and war.
So hell is in fact overcome and replaced by peace on earth on a heavenly scale.
And this is what the Bible represents.
Those 4 points are what I would have teams organize around to prove how this works in consensus.
Thanks Max
please keep this in prayer
that God may show you what else is to be done
to fulfill the teachings in a greater way than we might have imagined
God is greater than any fear we have of the opposite
So let's let God's will guide the way and all join in agreement.
Yours truly,
In Christ Jesus name it is done
Love, Emily
