CDZ How to recognise "Fake News"

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First of all it isnt somebody writing something you dont like. But it might be.
There is a difference between an opinion piece and something that purports to be factual. The former is is neither here nor there but the latter is expected to have some semblance of balance.

Here is an article that I pinched from a different thread posted today.
I will explain why it is "fake news". My comments are in bold.

Perversion Watch: Kindergartners Taught Sex-Ed And Parents Can't Stop It

Perversion Watch: Kindergartners Taught Sex-Ed And Parents Can't Stop It
Primary schools and academies in England will be forced to teach sex education, with no right of withdrawal for parents, if a new proposal becomes law.(this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)

New Clause 5 (NC5), would create a national curriculum subject of "Relationships Education," opening the door for lobby groups to push explicit material on kids as young as five. (this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)

It has been put forward by MPs David Burrowes and Maria Miller as part of the Children and Social Work Bill. It would apply to all state-funded schools. (above the age of 11)

No Withdrawal
Marketed as "Relationships Education," the new clause is so broad that it includes many aspects of sex education for which parents currently have a right of withdrawal.

However, because it creates a compulsory subject, this right of withdrawal would no longer apply. It could also be used to compel church schools to endorse same-sex marriage.

'Amoral'
Director of The Christian Institute, Colin Hart, slammed the proposals, calling them "poorly drafted, dangerous and amoral". (proposals not shown)

"This is an amendment which will alarm every parent whose child attends a state-funded school," he said. "The current sex education framework has safeguards to protect children which have been carefully formulated over decades. NC5 sidesteps those provisions in a blatant attempt to introduce sex education to primary schools by the back door." (this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)


Pornography lessons
Mr. Hart continued: "The proposals deal with many things that we share concerns over, like online safety and pornography, but this is the wrong way to go about it.(proposals not shown)

"Foisting responsibility for these issues onto schools while riding roughshod over the concerns of parents, will not safeguard children.

"It has been well-reported that even now lessons on pornography are teaching children to grade pornographic material as 'good' or 'bad'.(no sources are cited)

Parents powerless
"The approach taken by advocates of sex education fails to properly acknowledge that pornography is dangerous and addictive.(no sources are cited)

"Some even teach about sexting, saying that it's OK as long as it's 'consensual'! That doesn't help children. NC5 is going to make child sexualization much worse.(no sources are cited)

"Sex education has a right of withdrawal with good reason but no such right applies here.(no sources are cited)

"It gives a green light to teaching explicit sexual topics under the banner of 'relationships,' and parents will be powerless to protect their children.(no sources are cited)

Indoctrination
"From the age of 5, children would be indoctrinated to respect 'all types of healthy relationships.'(this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)

"But some would say polygamy is healthy, or revolving-door relationships are healthy. It confuses respect for people with respect for the relationships in which they are engaged.
(no sources are cited this is just an unsupported opinion)

"The age of consent is 16 years old. This proposal blows that apart.( does it ? Nothing is cited to back up this claim.)

"NC5 sends out the message that as long as there is consent, any configuration of adults is somehow okay." (Nothing is cited to back up this claim.)

'Poorly drafted'
Mr. Hart concluded: "The thinking behind it is very muddled and the amendment itself is poorly drafted, dangerous and amoral." (Mr Hart is quoted on his opinion but the actual amendment is not shown. Why not ? Because it will contradict his stance.)

If passed, the clause would make the new subject the only national curriculum requirement for academies and free schools. Control over sex education would be passed from head teachers, governors and parents to the Secretary of State for Education, Justine Greening.

According to The Daily Telegraph, a source close to the Education Secretary said she wanted to ensure that any changes to sex education lasted the test of time.

So in summary:
The article headline is a lie because the amendment does not cover primary schools.

Only one side is quoted leading to an obvious in-balance. Perhaps we , the readers, are too stupid to deal with 2 opinions.

The interviewee is not required to back up any of his claims which allows him to lie to the readers.

The amendments themselves are not listed. In fact there is no primary source material in this article.


Sex and relationship classes set to be taught in secondary schools after 23 Tory MPs back law change

This is a different article on the same subject.
It gives a different slant on the amendments. It states:


Pupils will be taught “how to recognise and handle bullying and peer pressure, such as sexting, the meaning of consent, signs of an exploitative relationship, including physical, mental and sexual harassment, conflict management and safety online, such as exposure to pornography”.

New Government guidance to local authority and academies will also ensure pupils “learn the importance of respect, tolerance and commitment in all types of healthy relationships”.

I have chosen this article in order to remain non partisan and focus on the "fake news " aspect rather than policy. This is a tory law with cross party support.

Its a good piece of legislation that will help kids. The article that forms this posting is just "fake news".
 
First of all it isnt somebody writing something you dont like. But it might be.
There is a difference between an opinion piece and something that purports to be factual. The former is is neither here nor there but the latter is expected to have some semblance of balance.

Here is an article that I pinched from a different thread posted today.
I will explain why it is "fake news". My comments are in bold.

Perversion Watch: Kindergartners Taught Sex-Ed And Parents Can't Stop It

Perversion Watch: Kindergartners Taught Sex-Ed And Parents Can't Stop It
Primary schools and academies in England will be forced to teach sex education, with no right of withdrawal for parents, if a new proposal becomes law.(this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)

New Clause 5 (NC5), would create a national curriculum subject of "Relationships Education," opening the door for lobby groups to push explicit material on kids as young as five. (this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)

It has been put forward by MPs David Burrowes and Maria Miller as part of the Children and Social Work Bill. It would apply to all state-funded schools. (above the age of 11)

No Withdrawal
Marketed as "Relationships Education," the new clause is so broad that it includes many aspects of sex education for which parents currently have a right of withdrawal.

However, because it creates a compulsory subject, this right of withdrawal would no longer apply. It could also be used to compel church schools to endorse same-sex marriage.

'Amoral'
Director of The Christian Institute, Colin Hart, slammed the proposals, calling them "poorly drafted, dangerous and amoral". (proposals not shown)

"This is an amendment which will alarm every parent whose child attends a state-funded school," he said. "The current sex education framework has safeguards to protect children which have been carefully formulated over decades. NC5 sidesteps those provisions in a blatant attempt to introduce sex education to primary schools by the back door." (this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)


Pornography lessons
Mr. Hart continued: "The proposals deal with many things that we share concerns over, like online safety and pornography, but this is the wrong way to go about it.(proposals not shown)

"Foisting responsibility for these issues onto schools while riding roughshod over the concerns of parents, will not safeguard children.

"It has been well-reported that even now lessons on pornography are teaching children to grade pornographic material as 'good' or 'bad'.(no sources are cited)

Parents powerless
"The approach taken by advocates of sex education fails to properly acknowledge that pornography is dangerous and addictive.(no sources are cited)

"Some even teach about sexting, saying that it's OK as long as it's 'consensual'! That doesn't help children. NC5 is going to make child sexualization much worse.(no sources are cited)

"Sex education has a right of withdrawal with good reason but no such right applies here.(no sources are cited)

"It gives a green light to teaching explicit sexual topics under the banner of 'relationships,' and parents will be powerless to protect their children.(no sources are cited)

Indoctrination
"From the age of 5, children would be indoctrinated to respect 'all types of healthy relationships.'(this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)

"But some would say polygamy is healthy, or revolving-door relationships are healthy. It confuses respect for people with respect for the relationships in which they are engaged.
(no sources are cited this is just an unsupported opinion)

"The age of consent is 16 years old. This proposal blows that apart.( does it ? Nothing is cited to back up this claim.)

"NC5 sends out the message that as long as there is consent, any configuration of adults is somehow okay." (Nothing is cited to back up this claim.)

'Poorly drafted'
Mr. Hart concluded: "The thinking behind it is very muddled and the amendment itself is poorly drafted, dangerous and amoral." (Mr Hart is quoted on his opinion but the actual amendment is not shown. Why not ? Because it will contradict his stance.)

If passed, the clause would make the new subject the only national curriculum requirement for academies and free schools. Control over sex education would be passed from head teachers, governors and parents to the Secretary of State for Education, Justine Greening.

According to The Daily Telegraph, a source close to the Education Secretary said she wanted to ensure that any changes to sex education lasted the test of time.

So in summary:
The article headline is a lie because the amendment does not cover primary schools.

Only one side is quoted leading to an obvious in-balance. Perhaps we , the readers, are too stupid to deal with 2 opinions.

The interviewee is not required to back up any of his claims which allows him to lie to the readers.

The amendments themselves are not listed. In fact there is no primary source material in this article.


Sex and relationship classes set to be taught in secondary schools after 23 Tory MPs back law change

This is a different article on the same subject.
It gives a different slant on the amendments. It states:


Pupils will be taught “how to recognise and handle bullying and peer pressure, such as sexting, the meaning of consent, signs of an exploitative relationship, including physical, mental and sexual harassment, conflict management and safety online, such as exposure to pornography”.

New Government guidance to local authority and academies will also ensure pupils “learn the importance of respect, tolerance and commitment in all types of healthy relationships”.

I have chosen this article in order to remain non partisan and focus on the "fake news " aspect rather than policy. This is a tory law with cross party support.

Its a good piece of legislation that will help kids. The article that forms this posting is just "fake news".





Can you provide a link to the actual Clause?
 
First of all it isnt somebody writing something you dont like. But it might be.
There is a difference between an opinion piece and something that purports to be factual. The former is is neither here nor there but the latter is expected to have some semblance of balance.

Here is an article that I pinched from a different thread posted today.
I will explain why it is "fake news". My comments are in bold.

Perversion Watch: Kindergartners Taught Sex-Ed And Parents Can't Stop It

Perversion Watch: Kindergartners Taught Sex-Ed And Parents Can't Stop It
Primary schools and academies in England will be forced to teach sex education, with no right of withdrawal for parents, if a new proposal becomes law.(this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)

New Clause 5 (NC5), would create a national curriculum subject of "Relationships Education," opening the door for lobby groups to push explicit material on kids as young as five. (this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)

It has been put forward by MPs David Burrowes and Maria Miller as part of the Children and Social Work Bill. It would apply to all state-funded schools. (above the age of 11)

No Withdrawal
Marketed as "Relationships Education," the new clause is so broad that it includes many aspects of sex education for which parents currently have a right of withdrawal.

However, because it creates a compulsory subject, this right of withdrawal would no longer apply. It could also be used to compel church schools to endorse same-sex marriage.

'Amoral'
Director of The Christian Institute, Colin Hart, slammed the proposals, calling them "poorly drafted, dangerous and amoral". (proposals not shown)

"This is an amendment which will alarm every parent whose child attends a state-funded school," he said. "The current sex education framework has safeguards to protect children which have been carefully formulated over decades. NC5 sidesteps those provisions in a blatant attempt to introduce sex education to primary schools by the back door." (this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)


Pornography lessons
Mr. Hart continued: "The proposals deal with many things that we share concerns over, like online safety and pornography, but this is the wrong way to go about it.(proposals not shown)

"Foisting responsibility for these issues onto schools while riding roughshod over the concerns of parents, will not safeguard children.

"It has been well-reported that even now lessons on pornography are teaching children to grade pornographic material as 'good' or 'bad'.(no sources are cited)

Parents powerless
"The approach taken by advocates of sex education fails to properly acknowledge that pornography is dangerous and addictive.(no sources are cited)

"Some even teach about sexting, saying that it's OK as long as it's 'consensual'! That doesn't help children. NC5 is going to make child sexualization much worse.(no sources are cited)

"Sex education has a right of withdrawal with good reason but no such right applies here.(no sources are cited)

"It gives a green light to teaching explicit sexual topics under the banner of 'relationships,' and parents will be powerless to protect their children.(no sources are cited)

Indoctrination
"From the age of 5, children would be indoctrinated to respect 'all types of healthy relationships.'(this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)

"But some would say polygamy is healthy, or revolving-door relationships are healthy. It confuses respect for people with respect for the relationships in which they are engaged.
(no sources are cited this is just an unsupported opinion)

"The age of consent is 16 years old. This proposal blows that apart.( does it ? Nothing is cited to back up this claim.)

"NC5 sends out the message that as long as there is consent, any configuration of adults is somehow okay." (Nothing is cited to back up this claim.)

'Poorly drafted'
Mr. Hart concluded: "The thinking behind it is very muddled and the amendment itself is poorly drafted, dangerous and amoral." (Mr Hart is quoted on his opinion but the actual amendment is not shown. Why not ? Because it will contradict his stance.)

If passed, the clause would make the new subject the only national curriculum requirement for academies and free schools. Control over sex education would be passed from head teachers, governors and parents to the Secretary of State for Education, Justine Greening.

According to The Daily Telegraph, a source close to the Education Secretary said she wanted to ensure that any changes to sex education lasted the test of time.

So in summary:
The article headline is a lie because the amendment does not cover primary schools.

Only one side is quoted leading to an obvious in-balance. Perhaps we , the readers, are too stupid to deal with 2 opinions.

The interviewee is not required to back up any of his claims which allows him to lie to the readers.

The amendments themselves are not listed. In fact there is no primary source material in this article.


Sex and relationship classes set to be taught in secondary schools after 23 Tory MPs back law change

This is a different article on the same subject.
It gives a different slant on the amendments. It states:


Pupils will be taught “how to recognise and handle bullying and peer pressure, such as sexting, the meaning of consent, signs of an exploitative relationship, including physical, mental and sexual harassment, conflict management and safety online, such as exposure to pornography”.

New Government guidance to local authority and academies will also ensure pupils “learn the importance of respect, tolerance and commitment in all types of healthy relationships”.

I have chosen this article in order to remain non partisan and focus on the "fake news " aspect rather than policy. This is a tory law with cross party support.

Its a good piece of legislation that will help kids. The article that forms this posting is just "fake news".





Can you provide a link to the actual Clause?
Tommy is angry because homosexuality/pedophilia are not unchallenged introduced to the syllabus
 
So, this is the working copy, and not the full Clause as it was originally proposed. I see several revisions in this one that actually address the points made in your so called fake news stories. So, it appears that they actually had some very real concerns that are being addressed as the New Clause proceeds. You fail to make your point and in fact it appears that it is you who are propagating the fake news.
 
So, this is the working copy, and not the full Clause as it was originally proposed. I see several revisions in this one that actually address the points made in your so called fake news stories. So, it appears that they actually had some very real concerns that are being addressed as the New Clause proceeds. You fail to make your point and in fact it appears that it is you who are propagating the fake news.
No, I dont see that. Perhaps you could point out these as they relate to the fake news article.
I would be particularly keen to see the parts that relate to 5 year olds being taught about sexual relationships.

Its also worth me pointing out that none of the points you make refutes the points I made in the OP.
 
I don't think you really give any broad sweeping insights on how to recognize fake news...So, I'll cover for you.

Tips to Avoid Fake News:

- Be educated about the subject matter. Preferably have taken some academic courses (in-person or online)...however, you can self-educate, but you need to be wary to stick to well-regarded (mainstream) material. Your library would be a good place to look.

- Get both sides of the story. Even if a news article is not necessarily "fake" it may still contain bias or not give the whole picture. If an issue is multi-faceted, try your best to get the objective arguments from both / all sides.

- Trust the experts. Nobody is going to know everything about every topic...but there are "experts" in certain fields that know far more than most. It would be in your best interest to trust the broad inclination of the field of experts. Make sure you are careful not to simply latch onto a specific person simply because you like what you hear, but trust the general tide of expert opinion and in the peer review process.

- Exit immediately if there is not a clear attempt at objective reporting. Bias is already difficult to uncover if the reporting is done in an objective manner. When organizations through out even the guise of remaining objective, you can be assured that their material is not going to give you an unfiltered view of what is going on.

- Realize that nobody is right 100%, but they should be right most of the time. There have been recent attempts to discredit legitimate news sources because they got a fact wrong here, or maybe didn't cover a topic in total objectivity. The reality is that no news organization is perfect (which is why it is good to get both sides of the story)...however, some news organizations are more correct than others. You want to trust news sources that are typically right while remaining skeptical...instead of writing them off if they get one thing wrong or only listening to something grossly incorrect because it happened to agree with your views or got one story (out of its multitudes) right.
 
First of all it isnt somebody writing something you dont like. But it might be.
There is a difference between an opinion piece and something that purports to be factual. The former is is neither here nor there but the latter is expected to have some semblance of balance.

Here is an article that I pinched from a different thread posted today.
I will explain why it is "fake news". My comments are in bold.

Perversion Watch: Kindergartners Taught Sex-Ed And Parents Can't Stop It

Perversion Watch: Kindergartners Taught Sex-Ed And Parents Can't Stop It
Primary schools and academies in England will be forced to teach sex education, with no right of withdrawal for parents, if a new proposal becomes law.(this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)

New Clause 5 (NC5), would create a national curriculum subject of "Relationships Education," opening the door for lobby groups to push explicit material on kids as young as five. (this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)

It has been put forward by MPs David Burrowes and Maria Miller as part of the Children and Social Work Bill. It would apply to all state-funded schools. (above the age of 11)

No Withdrawal
Marketed as "Relationships Education," the new clause is so broad that it includes many aspects of sex education for which parents currently have a right of withdrawal.

However, because it creates a compulsory subject, this right of withdrawal would no longer apply. It could also be used to compel church schools to endorse same-sex marriage.

'Amoral'
Director of The Christian Institute, Colin Hart, slammed the proposals, calling them "poorly drafted, dangerous and amoral". (proposals not shown)

"This is an amendment which will alarm every parent whose child attends a state-funded school," he said. "The current sex education framework has safeguards to protect children which have been carefully formulated over decades. NC5 sidesteps those provisions in a blatant attempt to introduce sex education to primary schools by the back door." (this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)


Pornography lessons
Mr. Hart continued: "The proposals deal with many things that we share concerns over, like online safety and pornography, but this is the wrong way to go about it.(proposals not shown)

"Foisting responsibility for these issues onto schools while riding roughshod over the concerns of parents, will not safeguard children.

"It has been well-reported that even now lessons on pornography are teaching children to grade pornographic material as 'good' or 'bad'.(no sources are cited)

Parents powerless
"The approach taken by advocates of sex education fails to properly acknowledge that pornography is dangerous and addictive.(no sources are cited)

"Some even teach about sexting, saying that it's OK as long as it's 'consensual'! That doesn't help children. NC5 is going to make child sexualization much worse.(no sources are cited)

"Sex education has a right of withdrawal with good reason but no such right applies here.(no sources are cited)

"It gives a green light to teaching explicit sexual topics under the banner of 'relationships,' and parents will be powerless to protect their children.(no sources are cited)

Indoctrination
"From the age of 5, children would be indoctrinated to respect 'all types of healthy relationships.'(this is a lie.The proposals only apply to secondary schools where the kids are at least 11)

"But some would say polygamy is healthy, or revolving-door relationships are healthy. It confuses respect for people with respect for the relationships in which they are engaged.
(no sources are cited this is just an unsupported opinion)

"The age of consent is 16 years old. This proposal blows that apart.( does it ? Nothing is cited to back up this claim.)

"NC5 sends out the message that as long as there is consent, any configuration of adults is somehow okay." (Nothing is cited to back up this claim.)

'Poorly drafted'
Mr. Hart concluded: "The thinking behind it is very muddled and the amendment itself is poorly drafted, dangerous and amoral." (Mr Hart is quoted on his opinion but the actual amendment is not shown. Why not ? Because it will contradict his stance.)

If passed, the clause would make the new subject the only national curriculum requirement for academies and free schools. Control over sex education would be passed from head teachers, governors and parents to the Secretary of State for Education, Justine Greening.

According to The Daily Telegraph, a source close to the Education Secretary said she wanted to ensure that any changes to sex education lasted the test of time.

So in summary:
The article headline is a lie because the amendment does not cover primary schools.

Only one side is quoted leading to an obvious in-balance. Perhaps we , the readers, are too stupid to deal with 2 opinions.

The interviewee is not required to back up any of his claims which allows him to lie to the readers.

The amendments themselves are not listed. In fact there is no primary source material in this article.


Sex and relationship classes set to be taught in secondary schools after 23 Tory MPs back law change

This is a different article on the same subject.
It gives a different slant on the amendments. It states:


Pupils will be taught “how to recognise and handle bullying and peer pressure, such as sexting, the meaning of consent, signs of an exploitative relationship, including physical, mental and sexual harassment, conflict management and safety online, such as exposure to pornography”.

New Government guidance to local authority and academies will also ensure pupils “learn the importance of respect, tolerance and commitment in all types of healthy relationships”.

I have chosen this article in order to remain non partisan and focus on the "fake news " aspect rather than policy. This is a tory law with cross party support.

Its a good piece of legislation that will help kids. The article that forms this posting is just "fake news".
Oh ... So at age 11 the parents have no say... I see. That totally take the outrage away. Thanks for the PSA. I'm sure every parent is fine with it now. Good looking out.
 

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