How the US Shattered the Middle East (and Why)

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Who says the US has shattered the Middle East?
Glad you asked:

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How the U.S. Shattered the Middle East

"Maj. Danny Sjursen is a retired U.S. Army officer and former history instructor at West Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan..."

The major believes War is a Racket

"Let us take an ever-so-brief tour of Washington’s two-decade history of utterly rupturing Greater Mideast nation-states and splintering an already fractious region. Here goes, from West to East, in an admittedly noncomprehensive list.

"U.S. airstrikes and regime change policy in Libya has unleashed an ongoing civil war, divided the country between at least two warlords, and enabled arms and militiamen to cross the southern border and destabilize West Africa.

"Which means that Niger, Libya, Cameroon, Mali, Chad and Nigeria have seen their shared territory around Lake Chad become a disputed region, contested by a newly empowered array of Islamists.

"That, of course, led the U.S. military to plop a few thousand troops in these countries.

"That deployment is unlikely to end well."

However, that may well depend on your definition of the word "well."

"The whole absurd mess boils down to a treacherous math problem of sorts.

"By my simple accounting, a region from Nigeria to Afghanistan that once counted about 22 state entities has—since the onset of the U.S. 'terror wars'—broken into some 37 autonomous, sometimes hardly governed, zones.

"According to the 'experts,' that should mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland.

"Yet it’s largely U.S. military policy and intervention itself that’s caused this fracture.

"So isn’t it high time to quit the American combat missions?

"Not according to the mainstream policymakers and pundits.

"For them, the war must (always) go on!

Counterproductivity seems the essence of U.S. military policy in Uncle Sam’s never-ending, post-9/11 wars.

"Call me crazy, or wildly conspiratorial, but after serving in two hopelessly absurd wars and studying the full scope of American military action, it seems that maybe that was the idea all along.
 
Who says the US has shattered the Middle East?
Glad you asked:

2952437-1445076415715.jpg

How the U.S. Shattered the Middle East

"Maj. Danny Sjursen is a retired U.S. Army officer and former history instructor at West Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan..."

The major believes War is a Racket

"Let us take an ever-so-brief tour of Washington’s two-decade history of utterly rupturing Greater Mideast nation-states and splintering an already fractious region. Here goes, from West to East, in an admittedly noncomprehensive list.

"U.S. airstrikes and regime change policy in Libya has unleashed an ongoing civil war, divided the country between at least two warlords, and enabled arms and militiamen to cross the southern border and destabilize West Africa.

"Which means that Niger, Libya, Cameroon, Mali, Chad and Nigeria have seen their shared territory around Lake Chad become a disputed region, contested by a newly empowered array of Islamists.

"That, of course, led the U.S. military to plop a few thousand troops in these countries.

"That deployment is unlikely to end well."

However, that may well depend on your definition of the word "well."

"The whole absurd mess boils down to a treacherous math problem of sorts.

"By my simple accounting, a region from Nigeria to Afghanistan that once counted about 22 state entities has—since the onset of the U.S. 'terror wars'—broken into some 37 autonomous, sometimes hardly governed, zones.

"According to the 'experts,' that should mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland.

"Yet it’s largely U.S. military policy and intervention itself that’s caused this fracture.

"So isn’t it high time to quit the American combat missions?

"Not according to the mainstream policymakers and pundits.

"For them, the war must (always) go on!

Counterproductivity seems the essence of U.S. military policy in Uncle Sam’s never-ending, post-9/11 wars.

"Call me crazy, or wildly conspiratorial, but after serving in two hopelessly absurd wars and studying the full scope of American military action, it seems that maybe that was the idea all along.
Why would this "mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland." ?
 
The U.S military has morphed into a private mercenary army which is engaged in dismantling the Middle East to further the zionist agenda of creating a Greater Israel. ... :cool:
 
Who says the US has shattered the Middle East?
Glad you asked:

2952437-1445076415715.jpg

How the U.S. Shattered the Middle East

"Maj. Danny Sjursen is a retired U.S. Army officer and former history instructor at West Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan..."

The major believes War is a Racket

"Let us take an ever-so-brief tour of Washington’s two-decade history of utterly rupturing Greater Mideast nation-states and splintering an already fractious region. Here goes, from West to East, in an admittedly noncomprehensive list.

"U.S. airstrikes and regime change policy in Libya has unleashed an ongoing civil war, divided the country between at least two warlords, and enabled arms and militiamen to cross the southern border and destabilize West Africa.

"Which means that Niger, Libya, Cameroon, Mali, Chad and Nigeria have seen their shared territory around Lake Chad become a disputed region, contested by a newly empowered array of Islamists.

"That, of course, led the U.S. military to plop a few thousand troops in these countries.

"That deployment is unlikely to end well."

However, that may well depend on your definition of the word "well."

"The whole absurd mess boils down to a treacherous math problem of sorts.

"By my simple accounting, a region from Nigeria to Afghanistan that once counted about 22 state entities has—since the onset of the U.S. 'terror wars'—broken into some 37 autonomous, sometimes hardly governed, zones.

"According to the 'experts,' that should mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland.

"Yet it’s largely U.S. military policy and intervention itself that’s caused this fracture.

"So isn’t it high time to quit the American combat missions?

"Not according to the mainstream policymakers and pundits.

"For them, the war must (always) go on!

Counterproductivity seems the essence of U.S. military policy in Uncle Sam’s never-ending, post-9/11 wars.

"Call me crazy, or wildly conspiratorial, but after serving in two hopelessly absurd wars and studying the full scope of American military action, it seems that maybe that was the idea all along.
Why would this "mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland." ?


God Lord, you asked him to justify his position?



Why didn't I think of that, instead of just ridiculing him?


oh, right, because libs can't defend their shit and almost will never even try. They will just spout shit.


When he responds, he will prove me right.
 
Not to worry...

We're most of the way to Eretz Yisrael, already...

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But it ends at the limits of the 1922 vision...

Muslim-Arabs already have their slice of the former Roman and Turkish province of Palestine...

Their slice is called "Jordan"...

As (what little is left of) the West Bank and Gaza continue to shrink, it won't be long now, until the old League of Nations partition plan of 1922 becomes reality.

The Arabs have shot themselves in the foot time and again and again...

The Palestinian-Arabs should have come to terms with Israel while they still could; until the 1967-1973 time frame...

But... given that the Muslims attacked (or were mustering on the borders to attack) Israel three times... 1948... 1967... 1973...

Well... three strikes and you're out...

If there was a snowball's chance in hell that a deal could still be pulled off, the idiot Palestinians' Intifadas 1 and 2 finished that off...

"The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." - accepted nowadays as a truism.

Now, there's nothing more to do but sit back and watch Israel complete its finalizing of the 1922 partition...

Oh, and, by the way, America did not lend substantive support to Israel until after the 1967 War, and that was largely to offset Soviet supply of the Arabs...

But it was the Israelis themselves who kicked Muslim-Arab ass time and again, held back only by the prospect of American disapproval and a drying-up of supplies...

America didn't tear-apart the Middle East...

Those Arab camel- and goat-buggerers managed most of that on their own...

It's just more convenient to blame America than it is to look long and hard and honestly in the mirror for the true cause of their problems.
 
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The U.S military has morphed into a private mercenary army which is engaged in dismantling the Middle East to further the zionist agenda of creating a Greater Israel. ... :cool:
Why are Arabs such weenies and can’t beat Israel?
 
The U.S military has morphed into a private mercenary army which is engaged in dismantling the Middle East to further the zionist agenda of creating a Greater Israel. ... :cool:
1. How has the US military become "private" as opposed to one of the American people ?

2. Aren't you completely overlooking the national security aspects of US military policy in the Middle east ? Such as defense against ISIS, al Qaeda, etc, here in the US ?
 
Not to worry...

We're most of the way to Eretz Yisrael, already...

1922-mandate_for_palestine-300x210.jpg


Muslim-Arabs already have their slice of the former Roman and Turkish province of Palestine...

Their slice is called "Jordan"...

As (what little is left of) the West Bank and Gaza continue to shrink, it won't be long now, until the old League of Nations partition plan of 1922 becomes reality.

The Arabs have shot themselves in the foot time and again and again...

The Palestinian-Arabs should have come to terms with Israel while they could; until the 1967-1973 time frame...

But... given that the Muslims attacked (or were mustering on the borders to attack) Israel three times... 1948... 1967... 1973...

Well... three strikes and you're out...

If there was a snowball's chance in hell that a deal could still be pulled off, the idiot Palestinians' Intifadas 1 and 2 finished that off...

Now, there's nothing more to do but sit back and watch Israel complete its finalizing of the 1922 partition...

Oh, and, by the way, America did not lend substantive support to Israel until after the 1967 War, and that was largely to offset Soviet supply of the Arabs...

But it was the Israelis themselves who kicked Muslim-Arab ass time and again, held back only by the prospect of American disapproval and a drying-up of supplies...

America didn't tear-apart the Middle East...

Those Arab camel- and goat-buggerers managed most of that on their own...

It's just more convenient to blame America than it is to look long and hard and honestly in the mirror for the true cause of their problems.

“The West Bank”, otherwise known as Judea.
 
Who says the US has shattered the Middle East?
Glad you asked:

2952437-1445076415715.jpg

How the U.S. Shattered the Middle East

"Maj. Danny Sjursen is a retired U.S. Army officer and former history instructor at West Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan..."

The major believes War is a Racket

"Let us take an ever-so-brief tour of Washington’s two-decade history of utterly rupturing Greater Mideast nation-states and splintering an already fractious region. Here goes, from West to East, in an admittedly noncomprehensive list.

"U.S. airstrikes and regime change policy in Libya has unleashed an ongoing civil war, divided the country between at least two warlords, and enabled arms and militiamen to cross the southern border and destabilize West Africa.

"Which means that Niger, Libya, Cameroon, Mali, Chad and Nigeria have seen their shared territory around Lake Chad become a disputed region, contested by a newly empowered array of Islamists.

"That, of course, led the U.S. military to plop a few thousand troops in these countries.

"That deployment is unlikely to end well."

However, that may well depend on your definition of the word "well."

"The whole absurd mess boils down to a treacherous math problem of sorts.

"By my simple accounting, a region from Nigeria to Afghanistan that once counted about 22 state entities has—since the onset of the U.S. 'terror wars'—broken into some 37 autonomous, sometimes hardly governed, zones.

"According to the 'experts,' that should mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland.

"Yet it’s largely U.S. military policy and intervention itself that’s caused this fracture.

"So isn’t it high time to quit the American combat missions?

"Not according to the mainstream policymakers and pundits.

"For them, the war must (always) go on!

Counterproductivity seems the essence of U.S. military policy in Uncle Sam’s never-ending, post-9/11 wars.

"Call me crazy, or wildly conspiratorial, but after serving in two hopelessly absurd wars and studying the full scope of American military action, it seems that maybe that was the idea all along.

The Hussein, who you adore, started/supported those wars in Libya and Syria. He is the one that called for regime change when they never attacked us.
 
Who says the US has shattered the Middle East?
Glad you asked:

2952437-1445076415715.jpg

How the U.S. Shattered the Middle East

"Maj. Danny Sjursen is a retired U.S. Army officer and former history instructor at West Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan..."

The major believes War is a Racket

"Let us take an ever-so-brief tour of Washington’s two-decade history of utterly rupturing Greater Mideast nation-states and splintering an already fractious region. Here goes, from West to East, in an admittedly noncomprehensive list.

"U.S. airstrikes and regime change policy in Libya has unleashed an ongoing civil war, divided the country between at least two warlords, and enabled arms and militiamen to cross the southern border and destabilize West Africa.

"Which means that Niger, Libya, Cameroon, Mali, Chad and Nigeria have seen their shared territory around Lake Chad become a disputed region, contested by a newly empowered array of Islamists.

"That, of course, led the U.S. military to plop a few thousand troops in these countries.

"That deployment is unlikely to end well."

However, that may well depend on your definition of the word "well."

"The whole absurd mess boils down to a treacherous math problem of sorts.

"By my simple accounting, a region from Nigeria to Afghanistan that once counted about 22 state entities has—since the onset of the U.S. 'terror wars'—broken into some 37 autonomous, sometimes hardly governed, zones.

"According to the 'experts,' that should mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland.

"Yet it’s largely U.S. military policy and intervention itself that’s caused this fracture.

"So isn’t it high time to quit the American combat missions?

"Not according to the mainstream policymakers and pundits.

"For them, the war must (always) go on!

Counterproductivity seems the essence of U.S. military policy in Uncle Sam’s never-ending, post-9/11 wars.

"Call me crazy, or wildly conspiratorial, but after serving in two hopelessly absurd wars and studying the full scope of American military action, it seems that maybe that was the idea all along.
Why would this "mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland." ?
Why would this "mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland." ?
Are you unfamiliar with the "safe havens myth"?

How the U.S. Shattered the Middle East

"What makes the situation in the Arabian Peninsula’s south particularly disturbing is that supposed foreign policy 'experts' in D.C. have long been hysterically asserting that the top risk to America’s safety are Islamist-occupied 'safe havens' or ungoverned spaces.

"I’m far from convinced that the safe-haven myth carries much water; after all, the 9/11 attacks were planned in Germany and the U.S. as much as in, supposedly, the caves of Afghanistan."

If the top risk to US security stems from "safe havens" in the Middle East, why is the US military creating more of them?
 
Who says the US has shattered the Middle East?
Glad you asked:

2952437-1445076415715.jpg

How the U.S. Shattered the Middle East

"Maj. Danny Sjursen is a retired U.S. Army officer and former history instructor at West Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan..."

The major believes War is a Racket

"Let us take an ever-so-brief tour of Washington’s two-decade history of utterly rupturing Greater Mideast nation-states and splintering an already fractious region. Here goes, from West to East, in an admittedly noncomprehensive list.

"U.S. airstrikes and regime change policy in Libya has unleashed an ongoing civil war, divided the country between at least two warlords, and enabled arms and militiamen to cross the southern border and destabilize West Africa.

"Which means that Niger, Libya, Cameroon, Mali, Chad and Nigeria have seen their shared territory around Lake Chad become a disputed region, contested by a newly empowered array of Islamists.

"That, of course, led the U.S. military to plop a few thousand troops in these countries.

"That deployment is unlikely to end well."

However, that may well depend on your definition of the word "well."

"The whole absurd mess boils down to a treacherous math problem of sorts.

"By my simple accounting, a region from Nigeria to Afghanistan that once counted about 22 state entities has—since the onset of the U.S. 'terror wars'—broken into some 37 autonomous, sometimes hardly governed, zones.

"According to the 'experts,' that should mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland.

"Yet it’s largely U.S. military policy and intervention itself that’s caused this fracture.

"So isn’t it high time to quit the American combat missions?

"Not according to the mainstream policymakers and pundits.

"For them, the war must (always) go on!

Counterproductivity seems the essence of U.S. military policy in Uncle Sam’s never-ending, post-9/11 wars.

"Call me crazy, or wildly conspiratorial, but after serving in two hopelessly absurd wars and studying the full scope of American military action, it seems that maybe that was the idea all along.
Why would this "mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland." ?
Why would this "mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland." ?
Are you unfamiliar with the "safe havens myth"?

How the U.S. Shattered the Middle East

"What makes the situation in the Arabian Peninsula’s south particularly disturbing is that supposed foreign policy 'experts' in D.C. have long been hysterically asserting that the top risk to America’s safety are Islamist-occupied 'safe havens' or ungoverned spaces.

"I’m far from convinced that the safe-haven myth carries much water; after all, the 9/11 attacks were planned in Germany and the U.S. as much as in, supposedly, the caves of Afghanistan."

If the top risk to US security stems from "safe havens" in the Middle East, why is the US military creating more of them?

How many new wars has President Trump started?

Zero.

Funny how you hate the President that doesn’t get entangled in ME affairs, but you kiss the ass of the Hussein who fucked up the ME worse than Bush did.
 
A brainwashed fool's laughter counts for little

Who Are the Real Terrorists in the Middle East?

"I got to thinking about Americans’ peculiar definitions of terrorism recently when President Trump took an unprecedented step and designated a military unit of a sovereign nation—the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC)—as a foreign terrorist organization.

"In another bit of (to me, comical) theater, Iran quickly responded by labeling U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM)—the headquarters commanding all U.S. troops in the Greater Middle East—as terrorist. One can’t help but wonder if Iran has a point! Either way, it seems that a comparison of the two military commands is in order."
 
Danny Sjursen?

Sound's like the guy has some serious issues with the Army, and life in general.

Tomgram: Danny Sjursen, On Leaving the U.S. Army | TomDispatch
Sounds like someone smart enough to know when he's being played.
When will you wise up?
Your link:

"I’m one of the lucky ones. Leaving the madness of Army life with a modest pension and all of my limbs intact feels like a genuine escape. Both the Army and I knew it was time for me to go. I’d tired of carrying water for empire and they’d grown weary of dealing with my dissenting articles and footing the bill for my seemingly never-ending PTSD treatments. Now, I’m society’s problem, unleashed into a civilian world I’ve never gazed upon with adult eyes."
 
A brainwashed fool's laughter counts for little

Who Are the Real Terrorists in the Middle East?

"I got to thinking about Americans’ peculiar definitions of terrorism recently when President Trump took an unprecedented step and designated a military unit of a sovereign nation—the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC)—as a foreign terrorist organization.

"In another bit of (to me, comical) theater, Iran quickly responded by labeling U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM)—the headquarters commanding all U.S. troops in the Greater Middle East—as terrorist. One can’t help but wonder if Iran has a point! Either way, it seems that a comparison of the two military commands is in order."


What a minute.

What happened to your points from the OP?


Are you dropping your whole claim that the US "shattered the me"?


Cause that was important enough for you to start a thread on it, and now because I laugh at you, you drop it and move on to the next shit accusation?



Or, are you presenting this to SUPPORT your op?


Is that it? Are you presenting, as evidence that the US has "shattered the me" the fact that we called a Iranian military unit, a harsh name?



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Who says the US has shattered the Middle East?
Glad you asked:

2952437-1445076415715.jpg

How the U.S. Shattered the Middle East

"Maj. Danny Sjursen is a retired U.S. Army officer and former history instructor at West Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan..."

The major believes War is a Racket

"Let us take an ever-so-brief tour of Washington’s two-decade history of utterly rupturing Greater Mideast nation-states and splintering an already fractious region. Here goes, from West to East, in an admittedly noncomprehensive list.

"U.S. airstrikes and regime change policy in Libya has unleashed an ongoing civil war, divided the country between at least two warlords, and enabled arms and militiamen to cross the southern border and destabilize West Africa.

"Which means that Niger, Libya, Cameroon, Mali, Chad and Nigeria have seen their shared territory around Lake Chad become a disputed region, contested by a newly empowered array of Islamists.

"That, of course, led the U.S. military to plop a few thousand troops in these countries.

"That deployment is unlikely to end well."

However, that may well depend on your definition of the word "well."

"The whole absurd mess boils down to a treacherous math problem of sorts.

"By my simple accounting, a region from Nigeria to Afghanistan that once counted about 22 state entities has—since the onset of the U.S. 'terror wars'—broken into some 37 autonomous, sometimes hardly governed, zones.

"According to the 'experts,' that should mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland.

"Yet it’s largely U.S. military policy and intervention itself that’s caused this fracture.

"So isn’t it high time to quit the American combat missions?

"Not according to the mainstream policymakers and pundits.

"For them, the war must (always) go on!

Counterproductivity seems the essence of U.S. military policy in Uncle Sam’s never-ending, post-9/11 wars.

"Call me crazy, or wildly conspiratorial, but after serving in two hopelessly absurd wars and studying the full scope of American military action, it seems that maybe that was the idea all along.
Why would this "mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland." ?
Why would this "mean total disaster and increased danger to the homeland." ?
Are you unfamiliar with the "safe havens myth"?

How the U.S. Shattered the Middle East

"What makes the situation in the Arabian Peninsula’s south particularly disturbing is that supposed foreign policy 'experts' in D.C. have long been hysterically asserting that the top risk to America’s safety are Islamist-occupied 'safe havens' or ungoverned spaces.

"I’m far from convinced that the safe-haven myth carries much water; after all, the 9/11 attacks were planned in Germany and the U.S. as much as in, supposedly, the caves of Afghanistan."

If the top risk to US security stems from "safe havens" in the Middle East, why is the US military creating more of them?

How many new wars has President Trump started?

Zero.

Funny how you hate the President that doesn’t get entangled in ME affairs, but you kiss the ass of the Hussein who fucked up the ME worse than Bush did.
How many new wars has President Trump started?
How many Muslim civilians have Trump's drones killed?
More than Barry's?
Yes.
 
Danny Sjursen?

Sound's like the guy has some serious issues with the Army, and life in general.

Tomgram: Danny Sjursen, On Leaving the U.S. Army | TomDispatch
Sounds like someone smart enough to know when he's being played.
When will you wise up?
Your link:

"I’m one of the lucky ones. Leaving the madness of Army life with a modest pension and all of my limbs intact feels like a genuine escape. Both the Army and I knew it was time for me to go. I’d tired of carrying water for empire and they’d grown weary of dealing with my dissenting articles and footing the bill for my seemingly never-ending PTSD treatments. Now, I’m society’s problem, unleashed into a civilian world I’ve never gazed upon with adult eyes."

I get it. He hates the Army. He hates Trump. He hates Republicans.

Ho hum.
 
What typical drivel from a liberal peacenik.

War is good for America. Defense spending increases which is good for the economy and good for the workers in that industry. We get to test our new weapons systems in real war situation. It's a win-win for everybody. And when we bomb a third world country, other third world countries take note that they shouldn't mess with America.
 

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