Right...Ted Cruz and Jeff Flake got elected, and Michelle Bachmann was re-elected in MINNESOTA, because the TEA Party is losing its influence.
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Possibly one has this backward, it's the progressive compassionate conservative wing of the GOP that is killing the party. In fact the day of the blue blood eastern liberal conservative is over.
Do you have any figures as to the breakdown of percentages of those who stay home?Possibly one has this backward, it's the progressive compassionate conservative wing of the GOP that is killing the party. In fact the day of the blue blood eastern liberal conservative is over.
I guess you didn't read much of the previous posts in this thread. So I'll briefly recap.
At the absolute zenith of the "conservative revolution" (1984 Reagan v Mondale) self-identified conservative voters made up 36% of the electorate. In 2012 they made up 35% of the electorate.
So the idea that there are additional votes to be garnered by going "more conservative" defies logic and the numbers.
Do you have any figures as to the breakdown of percentages of those who stay home?Possibly one has this backward, it's the progressive compassionate conservative wing of the GOP that is killing the party. In fact the day of the blue blood eastern liberal conservative is over.
I guess you didn't read much of the previous posts in this thread. So I'll briefly recap.
At the absolute zenith of the "conservative revolution" (1984 Reagan v Mondale) self-identified conservative voters made up 36% of the electorate. In 2012 they made up 35% of the electorate.
So the idea that there are additional votes to be garnered by going "more conservative" defies logic and the numbers.
Betcha don't.
It was all giggles and grins when those funny tri-corner hat wearing, misspelled sign carrying, long form loving zealots were yelling and screaming about Obama.
The GOP and Fox news lifted them up as if they were Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and Paul Revere reincarnated. Fox lied and inflated their numbers at rallies. Scotty Rassmussen lied and said 123% of Americans agree with them.
And Republicans giggled over their brandy and cigars. (or in the case of the sourthern GOP, over their Pabst Blue Ribbon and Pall Malls).
Now that they've radicalized your party to the point that you lost the White House, you lost seats in the Senate, and you lost seats in the House of Representatives, the damage is clear. But if you moderate your stances back into line with mainstream America - they'll scream "RINO" and go after you hard in your primary.
See what happens when your number one goal is not to govern well and wisely but to try to beat the hyper-partisan drum with any stick you can find?
Still grinning?
The Tea Party served its purpose and will be an interesting historical footnote in four years. They were a tool invented by Fox News to bring down the Obama administration at all costs
it didn't work
It was all giggles and grins when those funny tri-corner hat wearing, misspelled sign carrying, long form loving zealots were yelling and screaming about Obama.
The GOP and Fox news lifted them up as if they were Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and Paul Revere reincarnated. Fox lied and inflated their numbers at rallies. Scotty Rassmussen lied and said 123% of Americans agree with them.
And Republicans giggled over their brandy and cigars. (or in the case of the sourthern GOP, over their Pabst Blue Ribbon and Pall Malls).
Now that they've radicalized your party to the point that you lost the White House, you lost seats in the Senate, and you lost seats in the House of Representatives, the damage is clear. But if you moderate your stances back into line with mainstream America - they'll scream "RINO" and go after you hard in your primary.
See what happens when your number one goal is not to govern well and wisely but to try to beat the hyper-partisan drum with any stick you can find?
Still grinning?
The Tea Party served its purpose and will be an interesting historical footnote in four years. They were a tool invented by Fox News to bring down the Obama administration at all costs
it didn't work
Technically the Tea Party was started by Ron Paul, but his idea was radically different from the people that hijacked the name.
The Tea Party served its purpose and will be an interesting historical footnote in four years. They were a tool invented by Fox News to bring down the Obama administration at all costs
it didn't work
Technically the Tea Party was started by Ron Paul, but his idea was radically different from the people that hijacked the name.
No matter who created the Tea Party or for what purpose, those who vowed to put governing aside for a time in order to devote their full attention to defeating Obama in the next election empowered those people in the hopes that they could make the outrageous and offensive accusations to humiliate Obama without any of the mud slinging back onto them.
Now that little monster they created is biting them in the butt.
I don't feel sorry for them a bit. But I do want a GOP that is a viable alternative. We NEED a viable second (and even third) party. We do not need to just hand over the entire government to one party.
Technically the Tea Party was started by Ron Paul, but his idea was radically different from the people that hijacked the name.
No matter who created the Tea Party or for what purpose, those who vowed to put governing aside for a time in order to devote their full attention to defeating Obama in the next election empowered those people in the hopes that they could make the outrageous and offensive accusations to humiliate Obama without any of the mud slinging back onto them.
Now that little monster they created is biting them in the butt.
I don't feel sorry for them a bit. But I do want a GOP that is a viable alternative. We NEED a viable second (and even third) party. We do not need to just hand over the entire government to one party.
I was honestly planning to vote for a moderate republican candidate this year, but wow. I really couldn't in good conscience vote for a party who basically tramples the moderates of their own party.
What...Romney wasn't squishy and "moderate" enough for ya?I was honestly planning to vote for a moderate republican candidate this year, but wow. I really couldn't in good conscience vote for a party who basically tramples the moderates of their own party.
Do you have any figures as to the breakdown of percentages of those who stay home?Possibly one has this backward, it's the progressive compassionate conservative wing of the GOP that is killing the party. In fact the day of the blue blood eastern liberal conservative is over.
I guess you didn't read much of the previous posts in this thread. So I'll briefly recap.
At the absolute zenith of the "conservative revolution" (1984 Reagan v Mondale) self-identified conservative voters made up 36% of the electorate. In 2012 they made up 35% of the electorate.
So the idea that there are additional votes to be garnered by going "more conservative" defies logic and the numbers.
Betcha don't.
Oddball said:10 million fewer voters showed up at the polls this time around, compared to '08....Including a whopping 8 million fewer for your Boiking.
Amazing how myopic nincompoops like you just brush past that little fact, too.
Do you have any figures as to the breakdown of percentages of those who stay home?I guess you didn't read much of the previous posts in this thread. So I'll briefly recap.
At the absolute zenith of the "conservative revolution" (1984 Reagan v Mondale) self-identified conservative voters made up 36% of the electorate. In 2012 they made up 35% of the electorate.
So the idea that there are additional votes to be garnered by going "more conservative" defies logic and the numbers.
Betcha don't.
Ahhh, but I seem to remember somebody who DID report such a breakdown. Was confident enough in it to describe it as FACT. Now, who might that have been.........
Oddball said:10 million fewer voters showed up at the polls this time around, compared to '08....Including a whopping 8 million fewer for your Boiking.
Amazing how myopic nincompoops like you just brush past that little fact, too.
The fact that the Tea Party gets you Nanny Staters so twisted tells me they are onto something.. and I will continue to donate.
Anybody with an ounce of sense knows this shit going on in DC cannot continue. It isn't rocket science... 2 - 4 still equals -2.
Technically the Tea Party was started by Ron Paul, but his idea was radically different from the people that hijacked the name.
No matter who created the Tea Party or for what purpose, those who vowed to put governing aside for a time in order to devote their full attention to defeating Obama in the next election empowered those people in the hopes that they could make the outrageous and offensive accusations to humiliate Obama without any of the mud slinging back onto them.
Now that little monster they created is biting them in the butt.
I don't feel sorry for them a bit. But I do want a GOP that is a viable alternative. We NEED a viable second (and even third) party. We do not need to just hand over the entire government to one party.
I was honestly planning to vote for a moderate republican candidate this year, but wow. I really couldn't in good conscience vote for a party who basically tramples the moderates of their own party.
Maybe it didn't start out that way, but the tea party is a bought and paid for adjunct of the GOP no less so than the Young Republicans.
Those whose number one priority was to make sure Obama was a one-term president figured out very quickly that they could use these people - who they viewed as "useful idiots" - to sling their long-form, muslim, communist mud without any of the backlash coming back to haunt them.
But, it IS coming back to haunt them.