How social security system really works

[SAYIT]

During the course of the article, he drank two cups of coffee. Maybe he should use that money for meds instead. He is in his early 30's, so he has not contributed much to SS for what he will drain off it. Sucks for him, but at the same time, I think people should stop dumping their relatives onto someone else to pay for. Seniors who have a lifetime of contributions are struggling to pay for their medicine too. I think the seniors should get top priority

With todays situation with healthcare system, i don't think that meds(for schizophrenics)costs as coffee. Or he should buy meds and then die without food?

Unfortunately, for every sad story there's one of some undeserving slug just milking the system. On the flip side SS clearly serves millions of Americans as proscribed.

SAYIT

for every sad story there's one of some undeserving slug just milking the system.

Nope. Not even close.

Or were you going to post a link?

I've seen no link establishing the number of sad stories but I could cherry-pick the occasional fraud story just as the OP has done with his sad story. Here's a few from the Office of the Inspector General website:

Washington Woman Charged with Wire Fraud and Social Security Disability Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

West Virginia Woman Faces Multiple Fraud Charges Including Social Security Fraud and Aggravated Identity Theft Office of the Inspector General SSA

Nevada Man Pleads Guilty to Social Security Disability Fraud Sentenced to 37 Months for Mortgage Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Minnesota Couple Pleads Guilty to Providing False Information to Receive Social Security Benefits Mail Fraud and Passport Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Employee Fraud Former SSA Employee Convicted of Identity Theft and Tax Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Federal Jury Finds Kentucky Woman Guilty of Committing Social Security Fraud and Bankruptcy Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

New Jersey Man Sentenced to Prison for Bankruptcy Fraud and Social Security Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

TENS OF MILLIONS ON SS. How many stories diod you link? lol

Yanno, you remain one of the dimmest posters ever to disgrace this forum. This is a comparative of SSA sad stories verses frauds. You clearly are a fraud.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

SAYIT

for every sad story there's one of some undeserving slug just milking the system.

Nope. Not even close.

Or were you going to post a link?

I've seen no link establishing the number of sad stories but I could cherry-pick the occasional fraud story just as the OP has done with his sad story. Here's a few from the Office of the Inspector General website:

Washington Woman Charged with Wire Fraud and Social Security Disability Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

West Virginia Woman Faces Multiple Fraud Charges Including Social Security Fraud and Aggravated Identity Theft Office of the Inspector General SSA

Nevada Man Pleads Guilty to Social Security Disability Fraud Sentenced to 37 Months for Mortgage Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Minnesota Couple Pleads Guilty to Providing False Information to Receive Social Security Benefits Mail Fraud and Passport Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Employee Fraud Former SSA Employee Convicted of Identity Theft and Tax Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Federal Jury Finds Kentucky Woman Guilty of Committing Social Security Fraud and Bankruptcy Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

New Jersey Man Sentenced to Prison for Bankruptcy Fraud and Social Security Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

I could cherry-pick the occasional fraud story

Yeah. You do that.

Then add them all up and compare it to corporate fraud.

Figures. You got whupped so you attempt to change the subject. Try to focus, Loony. For every sad story there's an undeserving slug who is milking the SSA system.

Nope.

You said "... for every sad story there's one of some undeserving slug just milking the system."

That isn't true and I called you on it.

Cherry pick all you want but its true that all the individual fraud added together doesn't even begin to compare to corporate fraud.

Try to focus, Loony. The subject matter is the sad story of an SSA recipient who must choose between drugs and cigarettes. That's one sad story. I proposed there are just as many frauds milking the SSA system and, at your request, provided a few cases from the Inspector General. You had no intelligent response so you fell back on your socialist training manual which must have instructed you "when in doubt, fake it."

Oh please.

You tried to get away with the usual RW lie about Soc Sec and you fell flat. Now you're adding to your lie by saying he was choosing between drugs and cigarettes.

Get lost.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Not sure I understand the connection to Social Security... other than his monthly check having to show up before he could pay his rent, the article barely mentions the program.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

With todays situation with healthcare system, i don't think that meds(for schizophrenics)costs as coffee. Or he should buy meds and then die without food?

Unfortunately, for every sad story there's one of some undeserving slug just milking the system. On the flip side SS clearly serves millions of Americans as proscribed.

SAYIT

for every sad story there's one of some undeserving slug just milking the system.

Nope. Not even close.

Or were you going to post a link?

I've seen no link establishing the number of sad stories but I could cherry-pick the occasional fraud story just as the OP has done with his sad story. Here's a few from the Office of the Inspector General website:

Washington Woman Charged with Wire Fraud and Social Security Disability Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

West Virginia Woman Faces Multiple Fraud Charges Including Social Security Fraud and Aggravated Identity Theft Office of the Inspector General SSA

Nevada Man Pleads Guilty to Social Security Disability Fraud Sentenced to 37 Months for Mortgage Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Minnesota Couple Pleads Guilty to Providing False Information to Receive Social Security Benefits Mail Fraud and Passport Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Employee Fraud Former SSA Employee Convicted of Identity Theft and Tax Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Federal Jury Finds Kentucky Woman Guilty of Committing Social Security Fraud and Bankruptcy Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

New Jersey Man Sentenced to Prison for Bankruptcy Fraud and Social Security Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

TENS OF MILLIONS ON SS. How many stories diod you link? lol

Yanno, you remain one of the dimmest posters ever to disgrace this forum. This is a comparative of SSA sad stories verses frauds. You clearly are a fraud.

Millions is now comparable to SEVEN??

 

[AVG-JOE]

During the course of the article, he drank two cups of coffee. Maybe he should use that money for meds instead. He is in his early 30's, so he has not contributed much to SS for what he will drain off it. Sucks for him, but at the same time, I think people should stop dumping their relatives onto someone else to pay for. Seniors who have a lifetime of contributions are struggling to pay for their medicine too. I think the seniors should get top priority

With todays situation with healthcare system, i don't think that meds(for schizophrenics)costs as coffee. Or he should buy meds and then die without food?

Even in Florida that guys prescriptions would be covered by Medicaid and Florida is weak in that department. I can't imagine North Carolina being weaker.

The system may not be perfect but it works. 50 years ago that guy would be institutionalized (imprisoned) and 150 years ago he'd have simply been fucked when his family died.

Today he's got his own house and cable t.v. is on the horizon.

Baby steps ​

 

[SAYIT]

I've seen no link establishing the number of sad stories but I could cherry-pick the occasional fraud story just as the OP has done with his sad story. Here's a few from the Office of the Inspector General website:

Washington Woman Charged with Wire Fraud and Social Security Disability Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

West Virginia Woman Faces Multiple Fraud Charges Including Social Security Fraud and Aggravated Identity Theft Office of the Inspector General SSA

Nevada Man Pleads Guilty to Social Security Disability Fraud Sentenced to 37 Months for Mortgage Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Minnesota Couple Pleads Guilty to Providing False Information to Receive Social Security Benefits Mail Fraud and Passport Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Employee Fraud Former SSA Employee Convicted of Identity Theft and Tax Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Federal Jury Finds Kentucky Woman Guilty of Committing Social Security Fraud and Bankruptcy Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

New Jersey Man Sentenced to Prison for Bankruptcy Fraud and Social Security Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

I could cherry-pick the occasional fraud story

Yeah. You do that.

Then add them all up and compare it to corporate fraud.

Figures. You got whupped so you attempt to change the subject. Try to focus, Loony. For every sad story there's an undeserving slug who is milking the SSA system.

Nope.

You said "... for every sad story there's one of some undeserving slug just milking the system."

That isn't true and I called you on it.

Cherry pick all you want but its true that all the individual fraud added together doesn't even begin to compare to corporate fraud.

Try to focus, Loony. The subject matter is the sad story of an SSA recipient who must choose between drugs and cigarettes. That's one sad story. I proposed there are just as many frauds milking the SSA system and, at your request, provided a few cases from the Inspector General. You had no intelligent response so you fell back on your socialist training manual which must have instructed you "when in doubt, fake it."

Oh please.

You tried to get away with the usual RW lie about Soc Sec and you fell flat. Now you're adding to your lie by saying he was choosing between drugs and cigarettes.

Get lost.

What lie? The OP was a sad story about an SSA recipient. I replied that there are as many frauds collecting as legit sad stories. You tried to change the subject to corp fraud which clearly has NOTHING to do with the subject of this thread. BTW, that sad story isn't, as the OP inferred, typical of SSA. As the idiot Dad noted, tens of millions are getting SS as proscribed.

 

[SAYIT]

Unfortunately, for every sad story there's one of some undeserving slug just milking the system. On the flip side SS clearly serves millions of Americans as proscribed.

SAYIT

for every sad story there's one of some undeserving slug just milking the system.

Nope. Not even close.

Or were you going to post a link?

I've seen no link establishing the number of sad stories but I could cherry-pick the occasional fraud story just as the OP has done with his sad story. Here's a few from the Office of the Inspector General website:

Washington Woman Charged with Wire Fraud and Social Security Disability Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

West Virginia Woman Faces Multiple Fraud Charges Including Social Security Fraud and Aggravated Identity Theft Office of the Inspector General SSA

Nevada Man Pleads Guilty to Social Security Disability Fraud Sentenced to 37 Months for Mortgage Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Minnesota Couple Pleads Guilty to Providing False Information to Receive Social Security Benefits Mail Fraud and Passport Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Employee Fraud Former SSA Employee Convicted of Identity Theft and Tax Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Federal Jury Finds Kentucky Woman Guilty of Committing Social Security Fraud and Bankruptcy Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

New Jersey Man Sentenced to Prison for Bankruptcy Fraud and Social Security Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

TENS OF MILLIONS ON SS. How many stories diod you link? lol

Yanno, you remain one of the dimmest posters ever to disgrace this forum. This is a comparative of SSA sad stories verses frauds. You clearly are a fraud.

Millions is now comparable to SEVEN??

I hope you are just being obtuse and not monumentally stupid. The fraud cases represent the other side of the legit sad story coin. Please tell me you understand that and aren't really as stupid as you now seem.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Was Social Security ever meant to be the golden parachute come retirement?
To be able to retire and have the means to buy a small island in the South Pacific.
And at some point there will be more people withdrawing from SS then are paying in....

Are we ever going to deal with that?

Yes.

In 1984 Reagan signed legislation that effectively ended the cushy federal retirement program in place at the time and all federal employees hired after that date, including congress critters, were put on Social Security.

The sooner we get rid of the dead-wood that's been creeping around the capitol since the early 80's, the sooner our elected leaders will have a vested, personal interest in shoring up the Social Security system.

List of current United States Senators by age - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[AVG-JOE]

He's in his 30s. He's not getting social security retirement. He's getting SSI. He's disabled. He should also be on medicare and whatever the state provides. Between the two programs his meds cost him nothing. Medicare pays and the state picks up the co-pay. If he's out of meds its because he sold them on the street. Or some addict friend stole them.

The rent is overdue? How did that happen? Was his check late? Did he not pay his rent when he got his check?

Kelvin Cook is on his 26th day of independence. He is obviously incapable of being independent. It's less than 30 days and the rent is overdue and he's out of meds.

His mother is dead and he was found to be disabled prior to turning 22 years old. I'll bet you $1 that he is drawing disabled adult child survivors benefits based on her work record, not SSI. The federal benefit for SSI maxed at $721 in 2014.

 

[Dad2three]

SAYIT

for every sad story there's one of some undeserving slug just milking the system.

Nope. Not even close.

Or were you going to post a link?

I've seen no link establishing the number of sad stories but I could cherry-pick the occasional fraud story just as the OP has done with his sad story. Here's a few from the Office of the Inspector General website:

Washington Woman Charged with Wire Fraud and Social Security Disability Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

West Virginia Woman Faces Multiple Fraud Charges Including Social Security Fraud and Aggravated Identity Theft Office of the Inspector General SSA

Nevada Man Pleads Guilty to Social Security Disability Fraud Sentenced to 37 Months for Mortgage Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Minnesota Couple Pleads Guilty to Providing False Information to Receive Social Security Benefits Mail Fraud and Passport Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Employee Fraud Former SSA Employee Convicted of Identity Theft and Tax Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Federal Jury Finds Kentucky Woman Guilty of Committing Social Security Fraud and Bankruptcy Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

New Jersey Man Sentenced to Prison for Bankruptcy Fraud and Social Security Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

TENS OF MILLIONS ON SS. How many stories diod you link? lol

Yanno, you remain one of the dimmest posters ever to disgrace this forum. This is a comparative of SSA sad stories verses frauds. You clearly are a fraud.

Millions is now comparable to SEVEN??

I hope you are just being obtuse and not monumentally stupid. The fraud cases represent the other side of the legit sad story coin. Please tell me you understand that and aren't really as stupid as you now seem.

So NO, you weren't being truthful when you posted this:

"Figures. You got whupped so you attempt to change the subject. Try to focus, Loony. For every sad story there's an undeserving slug who is milking the SSA system."

 

[Dad2three]

With todays situation with healthcare system, i don't think that meds(for schizophrenics)costs as coffee. Or he should buy meds and then die without food?

Unfortunately, for every sad story there's one of some undeserving slug just milking the system. On the flip side SS clearly serves millions of Americans as proscribed.

SAYIT

for every sad story there's one of some undeserving slug just milking the system.

Nope. Not even close.

Or were you going to post a link?

I've seen no link establishing the number of sad stories but I could cherry-pick the occasional fraud story just as the OP has done with his sad story. Here's a few from the Office of the Inspector General website:

Washington Woman Charged with Wire Fraud and Social Security Disability Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

West Virginia Woman Faces Multiple Fraud Charges Including Social Security Fraud and Aggravated Identity Theft Office of the Inspector General SSA

Nevada Man Pleads Guilty to Social Security Disability Fraud Sentenced to 37 Months for Mortgage Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Minnesota Couple Pleads Guilty to Providing False Information to Receive Social Security Benefits Mail Fraud and Passport Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Employee Fraud Former SSA Employee Convicted of Identity Theft and Tax Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

Federal Jury Finds Kentucky Woman Guilty of Committing Social Security Fraud and Bankruptcy Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

New Jersey Man Sentenced to Prison for Bankruptcy Fraud and Social Security Fraud Office of the Inspector General SSA

TENS OF MILLIONS ON SS. How many stories diod you link? lol

Yanno, you remain one of the dimmest posters ever to disgrace this forum. This is a comparative of SSA sad stories verses frauds. You clearly are a fraud.

So NO, as the usual right wingers you posit bullshit when called out on it you whine. Got it

 

[SteadyMercury]

Was Social Security ever meant to be the golden parachute come retirement?
To be able to retire and have the means to buy a small island in the South Pacific.

Do you know how much the average social security check is? What kind of island to you think it will buy?

And at some point there will be more people withdrawing from SS then are paying in....

Are we ever going to deal with that.

We'd have to implement some combination of raising the age, removing the income cap, increasing the FICA tax, etc. while they sound quite drastic you'd be surprised at how modest of a change to some of the above can right the ship.

 

[Disir]

In transition to independent living the dignity of risk for the mentally ill - The Washington Post

CONCORD, N.C. — On his 26th morning of independence, Kelvin Cook made a huge pot of coffee and ate oatmeal off a plate. His Social Security check had not arrived and he was down to $5. He had a cellphone plugged into a wall, but it was out of minutes. Rent was overdue. He was out of his five prescriptions, including the anti-psychotic that had suppressed the symptoms of his schizophrenia for the past year, and now he felt sluggish.

Look at this guy, then, remember promises which mr President gave to all of us. Social Security system should make our life better, but in fact... People with serious mental illness can't get their meds. Good job.

I think the issue is the support (or the about to be lack of support) with Olmstead.

This is information on Olmstead:
Request Rejected

 

[TooTall]

Was Social Security ever meant to be the golden parachute come retirement?
To be able to retire and have the means to buy a small island in the South Pacific.
And at some point there will be more people withdrawing from SS then are paying in....

Are we ever going to deal with that.

'deal with it'? Oh you mean privatize it? lol

SS has worked for 130+ years in Germany, get rid of conservatives, and lets get to fixing Gov't again!!!

Ask the RWs where they'd be today if it had been privatized when the Bush recession hit?

It would have affected the people who retired during the recession, but since the Dow has gone through 18,000 they, and everyone else would have more than doubled their income on the portion that was privatized. See how that works?

 

[Disir]

Never privatize social security.

 

[TooTall]

Never privatize social security.

Only someone who has never heard of or used dollar cost averaging to invest in the market would say that.

 

[Disir]

Never privatize social security.

Only someone who has never heard of or used dollar cost averaging in the market would say that.

No. Only someone that saw all that money and couldn't wait to get their little mits on it would go for privatization. You wanna gamble? Take your money down to a casino.

 

[TooTall]

Never privatize social security.

Only someone who has never heard of or used dollar cost averaging in the market would say that.

No.

HUH!

 

[Disir]

I edited it while you weren't looking.

 

[TooTall]

Never privatize social security.

Only someone who has never heard of or used dollar cost averaging in the market would say that.

No. Only someone that saw all that money and couldn't wait to get their little mits on it would go for privatization. You wanna gamble? Take your money down to a casino.

I did, and now my income from my IRA's is triple that from Social Security. And, if I wanted to pay the taxes, I could draw it all out and go to the casino. But I won't, and my kids will be better off when I go to a better place.