How Obama Lost Iraq.

[NYcarbineer]

Leon Panetta, Dec. 15, 2011, at the ceremony commemorating our leaving Iraq:

“Your dream of an independent and sovereign Iraq is now a reality,” he said.

The words of a man convinced that our leaving Iraq was a terrible mistake? Hardly.

Defense.gov News Article Panetta Concludes Iraq Mission Noting Service Sacrifice

 

[Mustang]

Obama's former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta states in a new book what everyone with a grain of intelligence knows.....Obama was so eager to get out of Iraq they did not negotiate in good faith to leave U.S. forces in the Country. Hence, the rise of ISIS and the terrible mess we are currently experiencing in the Middle East.

Here is a key quote.


Washington (AFP) - Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House in a new memoir, accusing President Barack Obama's top aides of undercutting efforts to secure a deal in 2011 that could have kept US troops in Iraq.

"Flournoy at the Defense Department argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests," he wrote.

"To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them.

"Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away," he wrote.


The deal slipped away.


A link to the full story.

Obama team wanted US out of Iraq Panetta - Yahoo News

"...al-Maliki was allowed to slip away,"

What kind of nonsense is that? Al-Maliki was the leader of Iraq, not some guy smuggling contraband. Either he and the Iraqis wanted us there, or they didn't. If he wanted us there, he would have negotiated a deal to continue allowing US troops to be exempt from Iraqi judicial laws. Obviously, the Iraqis were unwilling to do that. That means they didn't want us in THEIR country anymore.

Since when do the Iraqis matter? Fuck 'em. Our Troops stay. Deal with it. What are they going to do....kick us out?

No, they'll just give Dover AFB more incoming flights and flag-makers more business.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Leon Panetta, Dec. 15, 2011, at the ceremony commemorating our leaving Iraq:

“Your dream of an independent and sovereign Iraq is now a reality,” he said.

The words of a man convinced that our leaving Iraq was a terrible mistake? Hardly.

Defense.gov News Article Panetta Concludes Iraq Mission Noting Service Sacrifice

Yep....and then Obama fucked it all up. Sad.

 

[BlindBoo]

How many more threads on this lie?

It was BUSH who lost Iraq - long before Obama was elected.

Yes, it was dat BOOSH! BOOSH achieved every objective set for the US at the outset of the war, despite downright traitorous behavior in Congress. When BOOOSH left Iraq was a relatively stable democracy. That somehow translates in libspeak as failure.
Obama fucked up the SOFA, refused to exert leverage to insure troops staying, ignored advice of trusted advisors and is now reaping the results and somehow he's blameless.
The Kool Aid is thick with this one.

With 150,000 troops still deployed in the field when he left, yeah, it was relatively stable. But President Bush Signs the SOFA where he obligated the country to remove all our troops by 2012 and somehow that is President Obama's fault? Republican logic at it's finest. Ignoring the fact that it was Iraq's call, not the Presidents trusted advisers, who made the decision to block all offers for a residual force. He is guilty of supporting the PM after the Bush Bug Out, well after Maliki's intentions of excluding the Sunnis was known.

So where is Panetta wrong....specifically?

He is putting a spin on the story that makes him look innocent and on at the present seems like the favorable side of the issue. The alternate spin is that other advisers to the President may have pointed out that after all the blood and treasure we already spent in Iraq the Iraqi government was demanding concessions be made for us to remain and prop up their military with the potential of spending more blood and treasure in the future.

There was no spin. There were facts. The fact is Obama had the ability to leave troops behind and rushed headlong to leave. That is simply a fact.
Anything rhe Left doesnt want to hear becomes "spin" or "talking points" and dismissable.

He left on the time table established by President Bush. He actually only had the ability to leave sooner not later. He left a couple of weeks early not quite a headlong rush.

 

[Mustang]

Obama's former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta states in a new book what everyone with a grain of intelligence knows.....Obama was so eager to get out of Iraq they did not negotiate in good faith to leave U.S. forces in the Country. Hence, the rise of ISIS and the terrible mess we are currently experiencing in the Middle East.

Here is a key quote.


Washington (AFP) - Former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta has denounced the White House in a new memoir, accusing President Barack Obama's top aides of undercutting efforts to secure a deal in 2011 that could have kept US troops in Iraq.

"Flournoy at the Defense Department argued our case, and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests," he wrote.

"To my frustration, the White House coordinated the negotiations but never really led them.

"Officials there seemed content to endorse an agreement if State and Defense could reach one, but without the President’s active advocacy, al-Maliki was allowed to slip away," he wrote.


The deal slipped away.


A link to the full story.

Obama team wanted US out of Iraq Panetta - Yahoo News

"...al-Maliki was allowed to slip away,"

What kind of nonsense is that? Al-Maliki was the leader of Iraq, not some guy smuggling contraband. Either he and the Iraqis wanted us there, or they didn't. If he wanted us there, he would have negotiated a deal to continue allowing US troops to be exempt from Iraqi judicial laws. Obviously, the Iraqis were unwilling to do that. That means they didn't want us in THEIR country anymore.

Panetta's article clearly refutes that fallacy.

"Nouri al-Maliki was the elected prime minister. He didn't want the U.S. troops."

WTF cares what a little fucker like al-Maliki wants? How does a pos like him dictate policy to the most powerful Nation on Earth?

He doesn't. That's the whole point. He doesn't get to decide that US troops will be subjected to Iraqi civilian and criminal court law.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Poor Obama.....the mighty U.S. President and the entire might of the United States Government utterly powerless against Nouri al-Assmunch.

Kinda sums up the entire Obama Presidency....doesn't it.

 

[Mustang]

I remember back several years ago people were proudly showing pictures of purple finger Iraqis after voting. Well as it turns out those purple finger people voted politicians into office that wanted the US out of their nation. They want to remove immunity from our armed forces as apart of the agreement, that's a deal breaker. I have a strong suspicion that they are now regretting that decision.

Not according to Leon Panetta...the folks at the Pentagon....and several former Obama National Security Advisers.


But nice try.

Panetta? Panetta said this on 60 minutes a couple weeks ago:

"Nouri al-Maliki was the elected prime minister. He didn't want the U.S. troops."

The powerful nation on Earth bows down to that little shit? Really? Only in Obama World. The U.S. tells that fucker what to do or no money...no support. Got it?

this is amusing

It's sad, totally unsurprising, and amusing.

A few years ago, I read that something about the geology underground at Yellowstone National Park had changed. As a result, the geyser known as Old Faithful was no longer reliable as it once had been when it came to water eruptions at specific intervals.

Unlike Old Faithful, conservatives are still WHOLLY predictable when it comes to their MO; they twist the facts until they're no longer recognizable.

 

[Mustang]

Poor Obama.....the mighty U.S. President and the entire might of the United States Government utterly powerless against Nouri al-Assmunch.

Kinda sums up the entire Obama Presidency....doesn't it.

You're absolutely right. Obama stood with the troops and not with the Americans out of harms way here at home who wanted the troops to stay there. You know, people like you.

 

[BlindBoo]

How many more threads on this lie?

It was BUSH who lost Iraq - long before Obama was elected.

Yes, it was dat BOOSH! BOOSH achieved every objective set for the US at the outset of the war, despite downright traitorous behavior in Congress. When BOOOSH left Iraq was a relatively stable democracy. That somehow translates in libspeak as failure.
Obama fucked up the SOFA, refused to exert leverage to insure troops staying, ignored advice of trusted advisors and is now reaping the results and somehow he's blameless.
The Kool Aid is thick with this one.

With 150,000 troops still deployed in the field when he left, yeah, it was relatively stable. But President Bush Signs the SOFA where he obligated the country to remove all our troops by 2012 and somehow that is President Obama's fault? Republican logic at it's finest. Ignoring the fact that it was Iraq's call, not the Presidents trusted advisers, who made the decision to block all offers for a residual force. He is guilty of supporting the PM after the Bush Bug Out, well after Maliki's intentions of excluding the Sunnis was known.

So where is Panetta wrong....specifically?

How can someones opinion be wrong? Any long term agreement had to go through the Iraqi parliament and there was too much opposition to any residual force for it to pass. Doesn't mean that Panettas advice was wrong does it?

Everyone who knows what's going on knows the answer, Boo. It did NOT have to go through the Parliament. That is another misstatement. In Bush's first SOFA placeholder put to ink in 2008, it was envisioned it could be finalized without Parliament.

I've been thru this for months with you and NotFooled and instead of giving lengthy explanations anymore, just gonna give the summary.

"Maliki said at one point, 'Why don't we just do this as an executive agreement?'" Jeffrey said. "I didn't think he was serious, and I didn't think he had thought it through."

But ultimately, the Iraqis did insist that a new SOFA had to go through their parliament and they would not budge on the immunities issue, which made an extension of U.S. forces there impossible, Jeffrey said. He said the insistence on immunity was uniform inside the Obama administration.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2012/11/iraqi_politicians_backed_into.php



Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/threa...aqi_politicians_backed_into.php#ixzz3F7BmvLqf

 

[WelfareQueen]

The Iraqi Parliament?

 

[bendog]

The Iraqi Parliament?

Blame bushii. Literally.

 

[WelfareQueen]

The Iraqi Parliament?

Blame bushii. Literally.

For what?

 

[The Rabbi]

Accepting reality can be difficult. Obama's legacy is in tatters both domestically and in Foreign Affairs. The dupes who supported the incompetent idiot are just having trouble admitting it.

Just remember boys and girls....the stages of grieving. Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.

I would suggest going straight to acceptance.

They can't admit it. Not because they love Obama. But because to admit his failure is to admit the GOP was right. And their hatred of successful people, as embodied in the GOP, over rides everything else.

 

[BlindBoo]

Accepting reality can be difficult. Obama's legacy is in tatters both domestically and in Foreign Affairs. The dupes who supported the incompetent idiot are just having trouble admitting it.

Just remember boys and girls....the stages of grieving. Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.

I would suggest going straight to acceptance.

They can't admit it. Not because they love Obama. But because to admit his failure is to admit the GOP was right. And their hatred of successful people, as embodied in the GOP, over rides everything else.

Blaming Obama for the mess left behind in Iraq by the previous administrations is like blaming all the Kings men who couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

 

[1776]

Shitstains....you need to explain why Obama and Biden went around in 2010 and 2011 bragging about Iraq being their success....

How many more threads on this lie?

It was BUSH who lost Iraq - long before Obama was elected.

The US never "won" in Iraq, therefore, you can't "lose" something you never had.

 

[1776]

Liberal scum are so predictable...first they tried to lose Iraq when Bush was in office but once Obama took over, Iraq was a great success by the black messiah....but now Iraq was really Bush's fault again now that ISIS moved in thanks to Obama.

 

[deltex1]

Jeh johnson is on fox babbling now. He was asked about the four ragheads who were detained at the texas border a few weeks ago...rumor was they had plans to travel to nyc with terrorist plans. He said they were checked out and cleared. Asked where they are now, the head of homeland security said he had no clue. Allahu Akbar.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Leon Panetta, Dec. 15, 2011, at the ceremony commemorating our leaving Iraq:

“Your dream of an independent and sovereign Iraq is now a reality,” he said.

The words of a man convinced that our leaving Iraq was a terrible mistake? Hardly.

Defense.gov News Article Panetta Concludes Iraq Mission Noting Service Sacrifice

Yep....and then Obama fucked it all up. Sad.

You idiot. Obama didn't fuck anything up.

This topic was discussed to death last week. Theres a reason people let that thread fall to the bottom.

So why do you keep responding?

Because repetition is a key element of successful animal training.

 

[1776]

Obama's first 2 SECDEFs say Obama is a stupid lying sack of shit, but liberals keep making up bullshit to protect him.

Hagel is too stupid to know what time it is so his opinion won't matter.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

This just shows what happens when Obama plays to the 20% hardcore libs in his base.

Argue all you want whether we should have ever went into Iraq, but once we did it was a collosal fuck up to leave when Obama did.