How much more do you pay to government than you get back?

[SwingVoter]

I'm a little sick and tired of all the tax dollars plus interest I've paid to Medicare, which I won't get at anywhere near the same level because it's going to have to be cut.

Funny how GOP talks about not paying for other people's health care, yet not only do I pay for other people's Medicare, and get nothing back, same happens with social security.

Then there's Medicaid. Don't mind helping the poor get health insurance, but not to the point where I have to pay interest on doing so the rest of my life.

In Virginia, I have to save for teachers and state workers' pensions, who get to retire at 55 with 80% of their salaries, yet teachers and state workers don't save for my retirement, and no one I know in the private sector will be retired at 55. Funny how our GOP governor and elected officials dodge this issue whenever its brought up.

Glad to have DoD, but need it a lot less now that cold war is over. Gov't bureaucrats were too stupid to respond to Phoenix memo, and only implement measures through TSA after Al Qaeda has already tried them. Don't feel any safer since Bush created these massive bureaucracies. I have friends from college in Northern Virginia who work at these agencies and they are the most cushy jobs ever, with fewer actual responsibilities than the lady who empties the wastebasket in my office everyday. She works hard, gets in early, and never complains. I'd rather pay taxes to help her than for more useless securitycrats in DC.

I use highways, which account for less than 1% of Fed budget. I think I visited a national park, so there's that. I think I use something around 1.27% of the money I send to Washington, and I live modestly in a modest city.

 

[uscitizen]

On the other side the question is.
How much more do you get from your govt than you pay in?

 

[SwingVoter]

On the other side the question is.
How much more do you get from your govt than you pay in?

over half of the government's budget is medicare, medicaid, social security, and interest, I get exactly zero from all four programs

in Virginia, govt worker pensions are one of the biggest budget items, as are medicaid and SCHIP, get nothing from those three programs

so I'd like a thank you instead of a self-entitled leftist attitude

 

[uscitizen]

On the other side the question is.
How much more do you get from your govt than you pay in?

over half of the government's budget is medicare, medicaid, social security, and interest, I get exactly zero from all four programs

in Virginia, govt worker pensions are one of the biggest budget items, as are medicaid and SCHIP, get nothing from those three programs

so I'd like a thank you instead of a self-entitled leftist attitude

give it time. You get no current benefit from your life insurance either do you?
I start on medicare before long...

I get no current benefit from the $1,000 or so in school taxes I pay yearly.

 

[Luissa]

In Virginia, I have to save for teachers and state workers' pensions, who get to retire at 55 with 80% of their salaries, yet teachers and state workers don't save for my retirement, and no one I know in the private sector will be retired at 55. Funny how our GOP governor and elected officials dodge this issue whenever its brought up.

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Last time I checked teachers pay taxes along with educating your children. They are providing a service and get paid to do so, if you can't stand it so much become a teacher.

 

[SwingVoter]

You get no current benefit from your life insurance either do you?

are you getting that free from the government too?

last I noticed, the checks I sent to my life insurance company were coming from my bank account, not the government's

hey, enjoy the subsidized health care when you're 65, I look forward to paying the interest on that for many years

 

[SwingVoter]

Last time I checked teachers pay taxes along with educating your children. They are providing a service and get paid to do so, if you can't stand it so much become a teacher.

last time I checked, they were asking me to save for their retirement, which isn't compensation for service provided, it's an entitlement

if you're saying I have to become a government worker to get anything for my tax dollars, then why not just put a hammer and sickel on the flag and call ourselves the new USSR

 

[Samson]

I suggest everyone make damn sure they get what they've paid into the system well before they're 50.

I'm planning to have a serious mental disorder that will cause me to become so violent that I'll need a daily seditive administered after lunch at a state supported "Residential Treatment Center."

I hope I wake up for the evening group therapy session, in which I'll ramble on every evening about message boards being te main cause of my demise.

 

[Luissa]

I suggest everyone make damn sure they get what they've paid into the system well before they're 50.

I'm planning to have a serious mental disorder that will cause me to become so violent that I'll need a daily seditive administered after lunch at a state supported "Residential Treatment Center."

I hope I wake up for the evening group therapy session, in which I'll ramble on every evening about message boards being te main cause of my demise.

I seriously hope you are not making fun of people with disablities who need therapy.

 

[Luissa]

Last time I checked teachers pay taxes along with educating your children. They are providing a service and get paid to do so, if you can't stand it so much become a teacher.

last time I checked, they were asking me to save for their retirement, which isn't compensation for service provided, it's an entitlement

if you're saying I have to become a government worker to get anything for my tax dollars, then why not just put a hammer and sickel on the flag and call ourselves the new USSR

A retirement that they also pay into to.
Most corporations you work for pay into your retirement, that you also pay into to. Are you denying someone who educates your children, the same right you have working for a private business?

 

[Samson]

I suggest everyone make damn sure they get what they've paid into the system well before they're 50.

I'm planning to have a serious mental disorder that will cause me to become so violent that I'll need a daily seditive administered after lunch at a state supported "Residential Treatment Center."

I hope I wake up for the evening group therapy session, in which I'll ramble on every evening about message boards being te main cause of my demise.

I seriously hope you are not making fun of people with disablities who need therapy.

No.

I really do think message boards cause mental disorders.

 

[uscitizen]

Most retirement plans that include health care coverage convert to Medicare being the primary coverer when you become eligable. The private ins just goes away or becomes essientially a Medicare supplement insurance.

 

[oreo]

I'm a little sick and tired of all the tax dollars plus interest I've paid to Medicare, which I won't get at anywhere near the same level because it's going to have to be cut.

Funny how GOP talks about not paying for other people's health care, yet not only do I pay for other people's Medicare, and get nothing back, same happens with social security.

Then there's Medicaid. Don't mind helping the poor get health insurance, but not to the point where I have to pay interest on doing so the rest of my life.

In Virginia, I have to save for teachers and state workers' pensions, who get to retire at 55 with 80% of their salaries, yet teachers and state workers don't save for my retirement, and no one I know in the private sector will be retired at 55. Funny how our GOP governor and elected officials dodge this issue whenever its brought up.

Glad to have DoD, but need it a lot less now that cold war is over. Gov't bureaucrats were too stupid to respond to Phoenix memo, and only implement measures through TSA after Al Qaeda has already tried them. Don't feel any safer since Bush created these massive bureaucracies. I have friends from college in Northern Virginia who work at these agencies and they are the most cushy jobs ever, with fewer actual responsibilities than the lady who empties the wastebasket in my office everyday. She works hard, gets in early, and never complains. I'd rather pay taxes to help her than for more useless securitycrats in DC.

I use highways, which account for less than 1% of Fed budget. I think I visited a national park, so there's that. I think I use something around 1.27% of the money I send to Washington, and I live modestly in a modest city.

Do you actually believe that YOU are going to get something out of government?--

That somehow you're going to pay--"government" an amount of money & actually come out ahead?

That's the biggest laugh I have gotten in a long time--

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I'm a little sick and tired of all the tax dollars plus interest I've paid to ...

You puzzle me. You come here supporting the idea that the GOP Sicialist Mitt Romney is worthy whereas Obama is not...then you swing way over to advocating a Crazy Randian Nitwit notion that people should be selfish and expect the government to give them back what they pay in taxes?

What rock did you crawl out from under?

 

[SwingVoter]

Most corporations you work for pay into your retirement, that you also pay into to. Are you denying someone who educates your children, the same right you have working for a private business?

you clearly don't understand how the system works

most corporations have 401ks, some match, some do not, but none match if you don't contribute anything yourself, moreover the benefits are never guaranteed, there's no adjustment made when stocks have bad years, moreover most companies that do match don't go above 6% of salary

public workers get defined-benefit plans, in Virginia they don't even have to pay into the system, it's all taxpayer funded, because the benefits are guaranteed, taxpayers are forced to pay more when the pension has weak returns in order to keep the system solvent, and the benefits allow them to retire at 55, 7 years before the average private sector worker, with 80% of their salaries regardless of how the investments performed and with no contributions of their own

so why do you think public workers are entitled to such a generous system that's not available to the vast majority of private sector workers?

 

[SwingVoter]

You puzzle me. You come here supporting the idea that the GOP Sicialist Mitt Romney is worthy whereas Obama is not...

Sorry I don't fit neatly into the political categories MSNBC has told you to believe in. Maybe you want to tune in to more Olbermann and Maddow to recharge your zombie brain. I voted for Obama you worthless POS, read my posts, and I never advocated for Romney, just noted that history is on his side regarding the GOP nomination.

 

[uscitizen]

Most corporations you work for pay into your retirement, that you also pay into to. Are you denying someone who educates your children, the same right you have working for a private business?

you clearly don't understand how the system works

most corporations have 401ks, some match, some do not, but none match if you don't contribute anything yourself, moreover the benefits are never guaranteed, there's no adjustment made when stocks have bad years, moreover most companies that do match don't go above 6% of salary

public workers get defined-benefit plans, in Virginia they don't even have to pay into the system, it's all taxpayer funded, because the benefits are guaranteed, taxpayers are forced to pay more when the pension has weak returns in order to keep the system solvent, and the benefits allow them to retire at 55, 7 years before the average private sector worker, with 80% of their salaries regardless of how the investments performed and with no contributions of their own

so why do you think public workers are entitled to such a generous system that's not available to the vast majority of private sector workers?

Umm lemme guess.

Because those making the laws are public workers?

 

[SwingVoter]

Umm lemme guess.

Because those making the laws are public workers?

close, but not quite, because many people making the laws get far smaller pensions due to service time and salary, most have other jobs, but the public worker unions scream bloody murder if they have to get a 1.35% pay increase instead of a 1.36% one, regardless of how badly it impacts taxpayers and the public they allegedly "serve"

 

[uscitizen]

Umm lemme guess.

Because those making the laws are public workers?

close, but not quite, because many people making the laws get far smaller pensions due to service time and salary, most have other jobs, but the public worker unions scream bloody murder if they have to get a 1.35% pay increase instead of a 1.36% one, regardless of how badly it impacts taxpayers and the public they allegedly "serve"

As I indicated, they are self serving as most all people tend to be.

 

[rightwinger]

On the other side the question is.
How much more do you get from your govt than you pay in?

over half of the government's budget is medicare, medicaid, social security, and interest, I get exactly zero from all four programs

in Virginia, govt worker pensions are one of the biggest budget items, as are medicaid and SCHIP, get nothing from those three programs

so I'd like a thank you instead of a self-entitled leftist attitude

Lifes a bitch ain't it?