How much do extremely wealthy people owe to the society that gave them the chance to prosper so much?

[Blues Man]

very bright people can educate themselves if they choose not to it is no one's fault but their own

Very bright people will still get a better education if they have very bright people to guide them.

Not necessarily.

most teachers expect you to agree with the interpretation of the subject matter.

 

[Anomalism]

Not necessarily.

You don't think it would take a lot longer to teach yourself how to read and do math?

 

[Blues Man]

Not necessarily.

You don't think it would take a lot longer to teach yourself how to read and do math?

I thought we were speaking of adults not children.

 

[Anomalism]

I thought we were speaking of adults not children.

In your opinion when does somebody truly become an adult?

 

[Blues Man]

I thought we were speaking of adults not children.

In your opinion when does somebody truly become an adult?

The day they realize they must fend for themselves.

 

[progressive hunter]

very bright people can educate themselves if they choose not to it is no one's fault but their own

Very bright people will still get a better education if they have very bright people to guide them.

bright people dont need to be led around like an idiot,,

 

[progressive hunter]

I thought we were speaking of adults not children.

In your opinion when does somebody truly become an adult?

when they act like one,, and you are far from an adult,,,

 

[theHawk]

Surely something, right? I see a lot of people talk like taxes are theft. Is it not just our obligation?

Here we go, another wealth redistribution idiot.

No matter how much the super wealthy are taxed, it’s never going to actually be given to you. It will would enrich the deep state turds in Washington who are already millionaires.

 

[Anomalism]

bright people dont need to be led around like an idiot,,

I think you misunderstood what I suggested.

 

[progressive hunter]

bright people dont need to be led around like an idiot,,

I think you misunderstood what I suggested.

I think you didnt understand what you asked,,,

that already exist, all you have to do is be bright enough to go find it for yourself,,, unless youre an idiot,,

 

[bripat9643]

not sure about you because youre a faceless voice on the internet,, but your views are very evil and need called out when they show their ugly face,,,

Evil is subjective. All any of us can do is use our own sense of right and wrong.

No, evil is not subjective.

since the concept of evil was created by man it is indeed subjective.

That's like saying the concept of gravity was created by man.

 

[hadit]

But most of what the government does is done badly and ineffectively. Take your example of public schools. I certainly agree that a nation is better off having an educated populace. But public schools are a lot more than simply "not perfect"; they, like all bloated government bureaucracies, are serving every goal and interest EXCEPT the education of the students. The United States spends on average $12,800 per student for education. Our annual education spending is higher than the GDP of many countries. Do we have the best-educated students in the world? Does anyone really think having the best-educated students in the world is the primary goal of public school systems?

How do we make public schools better? I rarely hear anything but vague or ridiculous answers to that question.

There are many ideas presented for making government schools better. Throwing more money at them, however, is not a true solution, because we spend so much for mediocre returns.

 

[progressive hunter]

But most of what the government does is done badly and ineffectively. Take your example of public schools. I certainly agree that a nation is better off having an educated populace. But public schools are a lot more than simply "not perfect"; they, like all bloated government bureaucracies, are serving every goal and interest EXCEPT the education of the students. The United States spends on average $12,800 per student for education. Our annual education spending is higher than the GDP of many countries. Do we have the best-educated students in the world? Does anyone really think having the best-educated students in the world is the primary goal of public school systems?

How do we make public schools better? I rarely hear anything but vague or ridiculous answers to that question.

There are many ideas presented for making government schools better. Throwing more money at them, however, is not a true solution, because we spend so much for mediocre returns.

the only way schools will ever get better is if the feds get out and the parents get in,,,

anything else is a waste of time and money,,

 

[bripat9643]

Not at all. Just because you are unable to identify evil when you see it, that doesn't mean nobody can.

I can identify what I think is evil. That's all you can do too.

Wrong, idiot. Evil can be demonstrated with logic.

you still need to define evil and unless you can point to a universal authority that everyone can agree on to provide that definition you cannot argue that evil is not subjective.

Does physics have a universal authority?

I rest my case.

 

[Anomalism]

That's like saying the concept of gravity was created by man.

Gravity can be measured and it existed long before we did. It's not some subjective concept like evil.

 

[hadit]

They also give a lot of money and time, to charity.

As tax shelters.

Who cares if they can shelter some of their rightly earned income from the tax man as a result? They're still donating a lot. This is an example of the tax code being used to promote an activity, something liberals don't seem to understand happens. When you give people an incentive to do something, they often do it. Try to hit the rich with confiscatory tax rates, for example, and their wealth will magically disappear from your view. Allow them to write off investments and they will invest more. Allow them to write off donations and they'll donate more.

 

[hadit]

I dont think people should be punished because they are more successful. IE much higher tax burden. They already pay most of the taxes anyway.
They also give a lot of money and time, to charity.

Taxes are not punishment.

They can be.

 

[hadit]

But most of what the government does is done badly and ineffectively. Take your example of public schools. I certainly agree that a nation is better off having an educated populace. But public schools are a lot more than simply "not perfect"; they, like all bloated government bureaucracies, are serving every goal and interest EXCEPT the education of the students. The United States spends on average $12,800 per student for education. Our annual education spending is higher than the GDP of many countries. Do we have the best-educated students in the world? Does anyone really think having the best-educated students in the world is the primary goal of public school systems?

How do we make public schools better? I rarely hear anything but vague or ridiculous answers to that question.

There are many ideas presented for making government schools better. Throwing more money at them, however, is not a true solution, because we spend so much for mediocre returns.

the only way schools will ever get better is if the feds get out and the parents get in,,,

anything else is a waste of time and money,,

This is true. The strongest indicator of a successful education system is involved and motivated parents, and that applies to all forms of schooling, whether government, private, or homeschooling.

 

[bripat9643]

That's like saying the concept of gravity was created by man.

Gravity can be measured and it existed long before we did. It's not some subjective concept like evil.

Did opposable thumbs exist long before we did? How about evolution? Can that be measured?

 

[bripat9643]

But most of what the government does is done badly and ineffectively. Take your example of public schools. I certainly agree that a nation is better off having an educated populace. But public schools are a lot more than simply "not perfect"; they, like all bloated government bureaucracies, are serving every goal and interest EXCEPT the education of the students. The United States spends on average $12,800 per student for education. Our annual education spending is higher than the GDP of many countries. Do we have the best-educated students in the world? Does anyone really think having the best-educated students in the world is the primary goal of public school systems?

How do we make public schools better? I rarely hear anything but vague or ridiculous answers to that question.

There are many ideas presented for making government schools better. Throwing more money at them, however, is not a true solution, because we spend so much for mediocre returns.

the only way schools will ever get better is if the feds get out and the parents get in,,,

anything else is a waste of time and money,,

This is true. The strongest indicator of a successful education system is involved and motivated parents, and that applies to all forms of schooling, whether government, private, or homeschooling.

By "involved and motivated parents," you mean parants that actually do the teaching. Government schools don't actually teach jack shit. All they do is administer tests and record the score.