how much do electric cars cost to fill compared with buying gas?

[Bob Blaylock]

Sounds like you're compensating for something ... big rig for no other purpose than to improve your self-image ... the only "need" here is to stroke your fragile ego ... you're afraid the little pick-up will expose you as the little girl you are ...

For me it's the Jag XJ-12 ... chick magnet ... and I need all the help I can get in that department ...

So, you've reached the point where you can't even pretend to have any valid points to argue, so you're left with nothing but childish insults. I guess I shouldn't be at all surprised, given where you started this particular subconversation by presuming to judge me for my choice in vehicles, and to suggest that you might know better than I would what vehicle would best suit my needs. If you'd had any sense, you'd have understood that that's an argument you never were in a position to win, anyway, and that your humiliating failure at it was unavoidable once you started down that path. There's really not much way for an argument go otherwise, when one person, who knows nearly nothing about another, presumes to claim to know what is better for that other person than that other person himself would know.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Total bullshit. The batteries are recyclable. As we transition to renewable generation, it will cost even less to fuel an EV. If you consider the external costs of ICE's they are far more expensive than EV's. Asthma, and other lung ailments are directly related to the burning of fossil fuel. The environmental degradation from mining coal far exceeds that from mining lithium. Same for mining and refining petroleum.

Have a read, then look at your post again, you are trying to paint a rosy picture -

The spiralling environmental cost of our lithium battery addiction

As the world scrambles to replace fossil fuels with clean energy, the environmental impact of finding all the lithium required could become a major issue in its own right

www.wired.co.uk

 

[Captain Caveman]

As I said, my needs are different than yours, and different from whoever you were addressing with the F150. I assume that he made a rational choice, that the F150 was the best vehicle for your needs. Apparently, you're happy with a piece of Japanese trash as the best choice for your needs. Neither of those are a good choice for my needs.

I don't need to carry anything as big as sheets of plywood, but I do need a secure, closed space in which to carry my valuable tools. A pickup truck of some sort (obviously, a Ford (the only remaining true great American vehicle manufacturer after Chrysler sold out to FIAT and General Motors was torn down and rebuilt Советских-style by the government), and not some Japanese garbage), with a securely-attached shell might be an acceptable solution, but nowhere near the best for me.

An SUV is clearly the best choice for me, and since I need it to last a long time, I need one that is built in the old-school body-on-frame manner, and not the weaker, newfangled monocoque style. That pretty much leaves me with two viable choices among Ford's current offerings: The Bronco or the Expedition.

Not only needs are different, but budget as well. Someone can go out and spend an extra £30,000 to get the EV version of a new van, I couldn't. And that extra £30,000 totally wipes out any refuelling saving over the lifetime of the van

I'm a general builder, so I do bricklaying, plumbing, joinery, plastering, roofing etc.. so imagine the tools I carry, and therefore, the size of my van. And as the van is generally full, I have a 750kg trailer for when I need materials, unless I wish to wait days for materials to be delivered.

And those that work with briefcases believe the answer for me is a Tesla, "You can tow with a Tesla". And I commute a minimum 80 miles a day, 5 days a week. I cannot plug in at home, upstairs apartment and we all park on the opposite of the street. The nearest charge point is 4 miles away.

Then the briefcase clan say, "Don't worry, costs will come down as sales go up". Well, they need to tell Tesla because they've increased their prices twice, I believe.

So, just like me, just stick to the vehicle that's suitable for your needs, otherwise the briefcasers will have us all in unless Tesla's.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

THIS is a common Google search:

how much coal does it take to charge a tesla

The answer is about 20 pounds

 

[Old Rocks]

THIS is a common Google search:

how much coal does it take to charge a tesla

The answer is about 20 pounds

LOL The average generation mix for generation of electricity in the US is; 40.5% natural gas, 19.8% renewables, 19.7% nuclear, 19.3% coal. So less than 4 lbs of coal is used in charging a Tesla. And if you have your own solar and battery setup, no coal or natural gas is used in fueling your Tesla. I love how you people like to lie.

 

[ding]

The predictable surprises of widespread use of EV's is going to be spectacular.

We need more....

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

LOL The average generation mix for generation of electricity in the US is; 40.5% natural gas, 19.8% renewables, 19.7% nuclear, 19.3% coal. So less than 4 lbs of coal is used in charging a Tesla. And if you have your own solar and battery setup, no coal or natural gas is used in fueling your Tesla. I love how you people like to lie.

Sorry, no. I QUOTED how many pounds of coal it would take to generate the electricity to charge a tesla. THAT AMOUNT OF COAL IS 20 POUNDS.

You're too smart by half

 

[Old Rocks]

Sorry, no. I QUOTED how many pounds of coal it would take to generate the electricity to charge a tesla. THAT AMOUNT OF COAL IS 20 POUNDS.

You're too smart by half

You implied that all the US grid was ran on coal. I posted how much each segment of the generation is done by various generation methods. Since one has to assume the Tesla is charged off the grid, not off your coal fired home furnace, then the average for coal involved in one charge of a Tesla is less than 4 lbs.

 

[jc456]

The predictable surprises of widespread use of EV's is going to be spectacular.

We need more....

shutting down the electrical grid. Idiots