How many uninsured before Obamacare...how many now ?

[Sun Devil 92]

OMW.....

Two people at work got into it over Obamacare and the numbers started flying.

It's hard to imagine that people could have such entirely different "facts".

I've looked this up in the past and pretty much had some numbers in my mind.

Kaiser indicates:

The Uninsured at the Starting Line: Findings from the 2013 Kaiser Survey of Low-Income Americans and the ACA

Prior to implementation of the ACA, over 47 million Americans—nearly 18% of the population—were without health insurance coverage.

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Don't know if that was supposed to include illegals or not.

The number of illegals has always been a hot button topic because depending upon which one you chose you can really pull this number down fast.

But then President Obama himself reduced the number of people he called uninsured from 46 million to 30 million. What ?

Counting the Uninsured: 46 Million or “More than 30 Million”?

And then you have Barbara Bulls**t Boxer rounding up the 46 million (which Obama said was 30) to 50 million.

So now, the question has to be asked....

How many were there to start....

How many got insurance because of the ACA.....

How many lost or dropped insurance because of the ACA....

What is the net ?

 

[emilynghiem]

OMW.....

Two people at work got into it over Obamacare and the numbers started flying.

It's hard to imagine that people could have such entirely different "facts".

I've looked this up in the past and pretty much had some numbers in my mind.

Kaiser indicates:

The Uninsured at the Starting Line: Findings from the 2013 Kaiser Survey of Low-Income Americans and the ACA

Prior to implementation of the ACA, over 47 million Americans—nearly 18% of the population—were without health insurance coverage.

****************

Don't know if that was supposed to include illegals or not.

The number of illegals has always been a hot button topic because depending upon which one you chose you can really pull this number down fast.

But then President Obama himself reduced the number of people he called uninsured from 46 million to 30 million. What ?

Counting the Uninsured: 46 Million or “More than 30 Million”?

And then you have Barbara Bulls**t Boxer rounding up the 46 million (which Obama said was 30) to 50 million.

So now, the question has to be asked....

How many were there to start....

How many got insurance because of the ACA.....

How many lost or dropped insurance because of the ACA....

What is the net ?

I would call in healthmyths to answer this.

Either way, the proper way to get the insurance discounts is by organizing pools by voluntary participation, not forced.
Regardless how much of this works or fails, it should be set up voluntarily.
Paying for catastrophic emergencies is one thing, but federal govt is clearly not designed to micromanage people's personal finances
and health care decisions.

The Democratic Party and their membership have enough support base and pull to organize collective discounts without involving federal govt,
if they were properly focused on setting up the actual programs to work on a sustainable basis including voluntary participation and FREE CHOICE.

If the push were to create sustainable cost effective health care through business and schools, it would create jobs there.
Not create more jobs for govt bureaucrats who aren't under these programs they require for others,
while their insurance is paid for by taxpayers.

I'd also like to see a comparison of the health insurance plans and coverage that Pelosi, Obama, and other federal officials have
versus what they require for everyone else.

 

[Greenbeard]

Health Insurance Coverage: Early Release of Estimates From the National Health Interview Survey, January–March 2015

Among adults aged 18–64, the percentage who were uninsured at the time of interview decreased from 20.4% (39.6 million) in 2013 to 13.0% (25.5 million) in the first 3 months of 2015 (Figure 7). The percentage of adults who were uninsured for at least part of the past year decreased from 24.4% (47.4 million) in 2013 to 18.9% (37.0 million) in the first 3 months of 2015. The percentage of adults who were uninsured for more than a year decreased from 15.7% (30.5 million) in 2013 to 9.5% (18.6 million) in the first 3 months of 2015.

 

[peach174]

The better question would be how many who now have it, can't use it because the deductible is to high?
Either way they still don't have real health care insurance that they can afford and really use.

 

[Greenbeard]

The better question would be how many who now have it, can't use it because the deductible is to high?
Either way they still don't have real health care insurance that they can afford and really use.

Well, the trend line on folks being able to afford their medical bills is also good.

And as another thread around here recently noted, insurers are beginning to experiment with plans that carve primary care visits out of the cost-sharing (even for high-deductible plans).

Health insurers in several big cities will take some pain out of doctor visits this year — the financial kind.

They’ll offer free visits to primary care doctors in their networks.

You read that right. Doctor visits without copays. Or coinsurance. And no expensive deductible to pay off first. Free.

 

[peach174]

The better question would be how many who now have it, can't use it because the deductible is to high?
Either way they still don't have real health care insurance that they can afford and really use.

Well, the trend line on folks being able to afford their medical bills is also good.

And as another thread around here recently noted, insurers are beginning to experiment with plans that carve primary care visits out of the cost-sharing (even for high-deductible plans).

Health insurers in several big cities will take some pain out of doctor visits this year — the financial kind.

They’ll offer free visits to primary care doctors in their networks.

You read that right. Doctor visits without copays. Or coinsurance. And no expensive deductible to pay off first. Free.

How much will that cost too much in the future like they always do?
That still does not answer my question of how many can't use it.

 

[emilynghiem]

Dear Greenbeard thanks for your help to answer Sun Devil 92 's question.

Can you both imagine if Christian "right to life" agenda was passed as federal law, with
federal exchanges requiring that all citizens participate in spiritual healing and only
those options that the govt approves as meeting Christian criteria
(similar to meeting minimal coverage for health care while penalizing other options)
in order to reduce rates and costs of disease, addiction, crime and abuse
so that tax money and resources could save more lives and serve more people.

Or passed laws on no sex outside of marriage and requiring pre-screening for diseases
to reduce costs and problems associated with that!

What if it was the Christians showing the statistics on "how well mandating Christian regulations on the public"
worked by measuring the reduced rates of diseases,
murders, rapes, costs of emergency medical costs and incarcerations from crime --

All while the opponents of federal regulations overreaching into private lives
were still yelling and screaming it isn't the federal govt's job to impose on the freedom of citizens,
No matter how many lives are saved, or how much money.

But the proponents kept pushing, insisting the statistics show that it works.
More people are getting help, saving lives and cutting costs.
So it's saving taxpayer money and that is going to serve more of the population.

 

[longknife]

And the other question is how many doctors and HMOs are accepting the new coverage?

Seems to me the biggest increases are in Medicare and Medicaid.

 

[Greenbeard]

And the other question is how many doctors and HMOs are accepting the new coverage?

Seems to me the biggest increases are in Medicare and Medicaid.

The evidence thus far suggests that the Medicaid expansion is helping those who've gained coverage through it.

States’ Medicaid expansions through the Affordable Care Act are helping low-income patients access medical care and improving hospitals’ bottom lines, according to two new studies that add to growing evidence about the benefits of the health law.

In Texas, for example, the percentage of residents reporting trouble paying medical bills, skipping prescriptions or delaying care because of cost barely moved between 2013 and 2014.

By comparison, Kentucky and Arkansas saw major declines in all three measures of access to medical care after the Medicaid expansion began in 2014.

The share of residents of the two states who reported skipping a medication due to cost fell more than 10 percentage points. And the percentage of Kentucky residents who said they had trouble paying medical bills dropped by more than 14 percentage points, from 42.7% to 28.4%.

Researchers also found major gains in the share of residents who said they had a check-up in the prior year, which increased more than eight percentage points in both Kentucky and Arkansas.

And they found sizable increases in the percentage of patients with chronic medical conditions who got regular care, which increased more than 6 percentage points in the two states.

 

[PoliticalChic]

And the other question is how many doctors and HMOs are accepting the new coverage?

Seems to me the biggest increases are in Medicare and Medicaid.

The evidence thus far suggests that the Medicaid expansion is helping those who've gained coverage through it.

States’ Medicaid expansions through the Affordable Care Act are helping low-income patients access medical care and improving hospitals’ bottom lines, according to two new studies that add to growing evidence about the benefits of the health law.

In Texas, for example, the percentage of residents reporting trouble paying medical bills, skipping prescriptions or delaying care because of cost barely moved between 2013 and 2014.

By comparison, Kentucky and Arkansas saw major declines in all three measures of access to medical care after the Medicaid expansion began in 2014.

The share of residents of the two states who reported skipping a medication due to cost fell more than 10 percentage points. And the percentage of Kentucky residents who said they had trouble paying medical bills dropped by more than 14 percentage points, from 42.7% to 28.4%.

Researchers also found major gains in the share of residents who said they had a check-up in the prior year, which increased more than eight percentage points in both Kentucky and Arkansas.

And they found sizable increases in the percentage of patients with chronic medical conditions who got regular care, which increased more than 6 percentage points in the two states.

“... all of the disruption, spending, taxation, and premium hikes inObamacare has only reduced the percentage of U.S. residents without health insurance by 2.7 percentage points,from 13.9% to 11.1%: a remarkably small reduction, and far lower than what the law was supposed to achieve.” --Avik Roy Obama Administration: Obamacare Has Driven Health Spending Up, While Covering Fewer Than Expected

 

[Arianrhod]

And the other question is how many doctors and HMOs are accepting the new coverage?

Seems to me the biggest increases are in Medicare and Medicaid.

The evidence thus far suggests that the Medicaid expansion is helping those who've gained coverage through it.

States’ Medicaid expansions through the Affordable Care Act are helping low-income patients access medical care and improving hospitals’ bottom lines, according to two new studies that add to growing evidence about the benefits of the health law.

In Texas, for example, the percentage of residents reporting trouble paying medical bills, skipping prescriptions or delaying care because of cost barely moved between 2013 and 2014.

By comparison, Kentucky and Arkansas saw major declines in all three measures of access to medical care after the Medicaid expansion began in 2014.

The share of residents of the two states who reported skipping a medication due to cost fell more than 10 percentage points. And the percentage of Kentucky residents who said they had trouble paying medical bills dropped by more than 14 percentage points, from 42.7% to 28.4%.

Researchers also found major gains in the share of residents who said they had a check-up in the prior year, which increased more than eight percentage points in both Kentucky and Arkansas.

And they found sizable increases in the percentage of patients with chronic medical conditions who got regular care, which increased more than 6 percentage points in the two states.

“... all of the disruption, spending, taxation, and premium hikes inObamacare has only reduced the percentage of U.S. residents without health insurance by 2.7 percentage points,from 13.9% to 11.1%: a remarkably small reduction, and far lower than what the law was supposed to achieve.” --Avik Roy Obama Administration: Obamacare Has Driven Health Spending Up, While Covering Fewer Than Expected

Meh. Infomercial for a book saying "No, it isn't, no it isn't!"

 

[Sun Devil 92]

And the other question is how many doctors and HMOs are accepting the new coverage?

Seems to me the biggest increases are in Medicare and Medicaid.

The evidence thus far suggests that the Medicaid expansion is helping those who've gained coverage through it.

States’ Medicaid expansions through the Affordable Care Act are helping low-income patients access medical care and improving hospitals’ bottom lines, according to two new studies that add to growing evidence about the benefits of the health law.

In Texas, for example, the percentage of residents reporting trouble paying medical bills, skipping prescriptions or delaying care because of cost barely moved between 2013 and 2014.

By comparison, Kentucky and Arkansas saw major declines in all three measures of access to medical care after the Medicaid expansion began in 2014.

The share of residents of the two states who reported skipping a medication due to cost fell more than 10 percentage points. And the percentage of Kentucky residents who said they had trouble paying medical bills dropped by more than 14 percentage points, from 42.7% to 28.4%.

Researchers also found major gains in the share of residents who said they had a check-up in the prior year, which increased more than eight percentage points in both Kentucky and Arkansas.

And they found sizable increases in the percentage of patients with chronic medical conditions who got regular care, which increased more than 6 percentage points in the two states.

“... all of the disruption, spending, taxation, and premium hikes inObamacare has only reduced the percentage of U.S. residents without health insurance by 2.7 percentage points,from 13.9% to 11.1%: a remarkably small reduction, and far lower than what the law was supposed to achieve.” --Avik Roy Obama Administration: Obamacare Has Driven Health Spending Up, While Covering Fewer Than Expected

Meh. Infomercial for a book saying "No, it isn't, no it isn't!"

If you've got data, share it.

Otherwise, please don't post to this thread.

 

[Arianrhod]

And the other question is how many doctors and HMOs are accepting the new coverage?

Seems to me the biggest increases are in Medicare and Medicaid.

The evidence thus far suggests that the Medicaid expansion is helping those who've gained coverage through it.

States’ Medicaid expansions through the Affordable Care Act are helping low-income patients access medical care and improving hospitals’ bottom lines, according to two new studies that add to growing evidence about the benefits of the health law.

In Texas, for example, the percentage of residents reporting trouble paying medical bills, skipping prescriptions or delaying care because of cost barely moved between 2013 and 2014.

By comparison, Kentucky and Arkansas saw major declines in all three measures of access to medical care after the Medicaid expansion began in 2014.

The share of residents of the two states who reported skipping a medication due to cost fell more than 10 percentage points. And the percentage of Kentucky residents who said they had trouble paying medical bills dropped by more than 14 percentage points, from 42.7% to 28.4%.

Researchers also found major gains in the share of residents who said they had a check-up in the prior year, which increased more than eight percentage points in both Kentucky and Arkansas.

And they found sizable increases in the percentage of patients with chronic medical conditions who got regular care, which increased more than 6 percentage points in the two states.

“... all of the disruption, spending, taxation, and premium hikes inObamacare has only reduced the percentage of U.S. residents without health insurance by 2.7 percentage points,from 13.9% to 11.1%: a remarkably small reduction, and far lower than what the law was supposed to achieve.” --Avik Roy Obama Administration: Obamacare Has Driven Health Spending Up, While Covering Fewer Than Expected

Meh. Infomercial for a book saying "No, it isn't, no it isn't!"

If you've got data, share it.

You're unhappy with Greenbeard's data? Why?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Health Insurance Coverage: Early Release of Estimates From the National Health Interview Survey, January–March 2015

Among adults aged 18–64, the percentage who were uninsured at the time of interview decreased from 20.4% (39.6 million) in 2013 to 13.0% (25.5 million) in the first 3 months of 2015 (Figure 7). The percentage of adults who were uninsured for at least part of the past year decreased from 24.4% (47.4 million) in 2013 to 18.9% (37.0 million) in the first 3 months of 2015. The percentage of adults who were uninsured for more than a year decreased from 15.7% (30.5 million) in 2013 to 9.5% (18.6 million) in the first 3 months of 2015.

Dear Greenbeard thanks for your help to answer Sun Devil 92 's question.

Can you both imagine if Christian "right to life" agenda was passed as federal law, with
federal exchanges requiring that all citizens participate in spiritual healing and only
those options that the govt approves as meeting Christian criteria
(similar to meeting minimal coverage for health care while penalizing other options)
in order to reduce rates and costs of disease, addiction, crime and abuse
so that tax money and resources could save more lives and serve more people.

Or passed laws on no sex outside of marriage and requiring pre-screening for diseases
to reduce costs and problems associated with that!

What if it was the Christians showing the statistics on "how well mandating Christian regulations on the public"
worked by measuring the reduced rates of diseases,
murders, rapes, costs of emergency medical costs and incarcerations from crime --

All while the opponents of federal regulations overreaching into private lives
were still yelling and screaming it isn't the federal govt's job to impose on the freedom of citizens,
No matter how many lives are saved, or how much money.

But the proponents kept pushing, insisting the statistics show that it works.
More people are getting help, saving lives and cutting costs.
So it's saving taxpayer money and that is going to serve more of the population.

Emily,

While I wish that people would adopt these things personally, I believe that Free Agency is the center of a strong Christian Faith.

However, there are clear benefits to the public when people behave well.

It is my understanding that Australia runs public service adds promoting good health practices (some of which might not be politically correct) to the public. This helps keep health care service costs down.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

And the other question is how many doctors and HMOs are accepting the new coverage?

Seems to me the biggest increases are in Medicare and Medicaid.

The evidence thus far suggests that the Medicaid expansion is helping those who've gained coverage through it.

States’ Medicaid expansions through the Affordable Care Act are helping low-income patients access medical care and improving hospitals’ bottom lines, according to two new studies that add to growing evidence about the benefits of the health law.

In Texas, for example, the percentage of residents reporting trouble paying medical bills, skipping prescriptions or delaying care because of cost barely moved between 2013 and 2014.

By comparison, Kentucky and Arkansas saw major declines in all three measures of access to medical care after the Medicaid expansion began in 2014.

The share of residents of the two states who reported skipping a medication due to cost fell more than 10 percentage points. And the percentage of Kentucky residents who said they had trouble paying medical bills dropped by more than 14 percentage points, from 42.7% to 28.4%.

Researchers also found major gains in the share of residents who said they had a check-up in the prior year, which increased more than eight percentage points in both Kentucky and Arkansas.

And they found sizable increases in the percentage of patients with chronic medical conditions who got regular care, which increased more than 6 percentage points in the two states.

“... all of the disruption, spending, taxation, and premium hikes inObamacare has only reduced the percentage of U.S. residents without health insurance by 2.7 percentage points,from 13.9% to 11.1%: a remarkably small reduction, and far lower than what the law was supposed to achieve.” --Avik Roy Obama Administration: Obamacare Has Driven Health Spending Up, While Covering Fewer Than Expected

Meh. Infomercial for a book saying "No, it isn't, no it isn't!"

If you've got data, share it.

You're unhappy with Greenbeard's data? Why?

1. I have just begun to look at it.

2. I don't recall saying I was unhappy with it.

3. So your final query is an assumption on your part, which is what make your sorry ass so annoying.

4. Please exit the thread as you have nothing to offer. If you stay around, it will only be confirmation you are an attention whore.

 

[Arianrhod]

The evidence thus far suggests that the Medicaid expansion is helping those who've gained coverage through it.

“... all of the disruption, spending, taxation, and premium hikes inObamacare has only reduced the percentage of U.S. residents without health insurance by 2.7 percentage points,from 13.9% to 11.1%: a remarkably small reduction, and far lower than what the law was supposed to achieve.” --Avik Roy Obama Administration: Obamacare Has Driven Health Spending Up, While Covering Fewer Than Expected

Meh. Infomercial for a book saying "No, it isn't, no it isn't!"

If you've got data, share it.

You're unhappy with Greenbeard's data? Why?

1. I have just begun to look at it.

Fair enough. I'll be interested in your conclusions once you have.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Health Insurance Coverage: Early Release of Estimates From the National Health Interview Survey, January–March 2015

Among adults aged 18–64, the percentage who were uninsured at the time of interview decreased from 20.4% (39.6 million) in 2013 to 13.0% (25.5 million) in the first 3 months of 2015 (Figure 7). The percentage of adults who were uninsured for at least part of the past year decreased from 24.4% (47.4 million) in 2013 to 18.9% (37.0 million) in the first 3 months of 2015. The percentage of adults who were uninsured for more than a year decreased from 15.7% (30.5 million) in 2013 to 9.5% (18.6 million) in the first 3 months of 2015.

I read the first part (this thing is 27 pages long BTW and mostly talks about percentages. My question spoke to numbers.

From your article:

the first 3 months of 2015, 29million persons of all ages (9.2%) were uninsured at the time of interview, 7 million fewer persons than in 2014.

So there were 36 million uninsured in 2014.

But we started with how many......? That was one question in the OP.

And what were the measures (the OP again points out that it would SEEM that not everyone is measuring the same thing) associated with those figures.

Everytime this question comes up (just like my associates at work) there is always a disconnect on who is talking about what.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

In 2010, the percentage of people without health insurance, 16.3 percent, was not statistically different from the rate in 2009. The number of uninsured people increased to 49.9 million in 2010 from 49.0 million in 2009.

Highlights: 2010 - U.S Census Bureau

49.9 Million.....???

But President Obama said it was 30 million.

After he said it was 46 million.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

And the other question is how many doctors and HMOs are accepting the new coverage?

Seems to me the biggest increases are in Medicare and Medicaid.

The evidence thus far suggests that the Medicaid expansion is helping those who've gained coverage through it.

States’ Medicaid expansions through the Affordable Care Act are helping low-income patients access medical care and improving hospitals’ bottom lines, according to two new studies that add to growing evidence about the benefits of the health law.

In Texas, for example, the percentage of residents reporting trouble paying medical bills, skipping prescriptions or delaying care because of cost barely moved between 2013 and 2014.

By comparison, Kentucky and Arkansas saw major declines in all three measures of access to medical care after the Medicaid expansion began in 2014.

The share of residents of the two states who reported skipping a medication due to cost fell more than 10 percentage points. And the percentage of Kentucky residents who said they had trouble paying medical bills dropped by more than 14 percentage points, from 42.7% to 28.4%.

Researchers also found major gains in the share of residents who said they had a check-up in the prior year, which increased more than eight percentage points in both Kentucky and Arkansas.

And they found sizable increases in the percentage of patients with chronic medical conditions who got regular care, which increased more than 6 percentage points in the two states.

“... all of the disruption, spending, taxation, and premium hikes inObamacare has only reduced the percentage of U.S. residents without health insurance by 2.7 percentage points,from 13.9% to 11.1%: a remarkably small reduction, and far lower than what the law was supposed to achieve.” --Avik Roy Obama Administration: Obamacare Has Driven Health Spending Up, While Covering Fewer Than Expected

Meh. Infomercial for a book saying "No, it isn't, no it isn't!"

And BTW:

While I said nothing about Greenbeard's data when you posted your stupid comment, it isn't lost on me that you are unhappy with PoliticalChic 's data.

Then you asked me why (even though I said nothing).

But you (having shot off your mouth) don't afford us the same courtesy.

Can you be anymore a hypocrite ?

 

[Arianrhod]

While I said nothing about Greenbeard's data when you posted your stupid comment, it isn't lost on me that you are unhappy with PoliticalChic 's data.

Opinions are not data. Your conflation of the two may be why you're so hung up on "But Obama said this...and then he said that" as opposed to an actual interest in the numbers.

Personally, I'd go with the KFF data. Their methodology is rigorous, and they're more integrally involved with patient care than any politician.