How many times has humanity been wiped down to near extinction?

[Vastator]

Why is Gobekli Tepe being punted to “future generations”?

The short answer is "greed, and money". By keeping the site unexcavated adds to the mystery, and is a tourism cash cow. To that end, there is a conspiracy, keeping the site unexcavated. Here is an in depth video about who funds, and manages the site. And it's quite surprising. In the end, the WEF has the final say in what happens to the Gobekli Tepe site.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yup.



Right there. A copper blade, a wooden handle, water and quartz sand. All of which were available to the Egyptians. And the granite cuts with a bit of elbow grease. Its called the sand abrasion method.

If they were able to mine or import Emery (mohr 9), it would have been even easier.

And remember, the Great Pyramid is almost entirely limestone, with a Mohr hardness of 2 to 4. So it would be MUCH easier to cut.



Levitation beams? C'mon. There's zero evidence of levitation beams.

For fuck's sake, Machu Picchu was built in 1450. That wasn't that long ago. Where's the evidence of any of the advanced tech you imagine?

I appreciate that copper saws can be used to, eventually, saw through granite. It took three guys to saw through a quarter inch of it.

What effort would be involved to sheer a multi-ton granite block? The interior of granite sarcophagi have perfect right angles…how was that done?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The short answer is "greed, and money". By keeping the site unexcavated adds to the mystery, and is a tourism cash cow. To that end, there is a conspiracy, keeping the site unexcavated. Here is an in depth video about who funds, and manages the site. And it's quite surprising. In the end, the WEF has the final say in what happens to the Gobekli Tepe site.

Yeah Jimmy found out who was behind it. Stellar research on his part

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The short answer is "greed, and money". By keeping the site unexcavated adds to the mystery, and is a tourism cash cow. To that end, there is a conspiracy, keeping the site unexcavated. Here is an in depth video about who funds, and manages the site. And it's quite surprising. In the end, the WEF has the final say in what happens to the Gobekli Tepe site.

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[Vastator]

^ Rapa Nui (Easter Island), in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean 2,300 mile from Peru

^ Peru, 2,300 miles east of Rapa Nui

How odd that these 2 cultures separated by 2,300 miles of the Pacific Ocean magically developed the same masonry. These primitive people, scraping stones with deer antlers 2,300 miles apart, just so happened to develop similar techniques and aesthetics.

With "no communication whatsoever between the 2 cultures! None! Zip!!" -- Modern Archaeological deboonker

Two very different examples of stone work. The Rapa Nui site shows the builders favored symmetry, and a brick like stacking technique.
Whereas the Peruvian example is very different in a few key ways. Firstly the complete absence of any attempt at symmetry. Additionally the impressive fitting of the stones at their observable face is somewhat of a facade. The rest of the stones beyond the viewing surface are not fitted with the same precision, and gaps are filled with other stones, and crude mortar. What we see at the viewing surface is an artistic finish. Though it doesn't prove out that the entirety of the stones surfaces fit that tightly. They don't. It's only at the face...

 

[PeterPilot]

I never said shovels. But there are numerous documentaries on the site available on YouTube.

Is that the same You Tube that prohibits material from dissenting doctors regarding the clot shots?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The short answer is "greed, and money". By keeping the site unexcavated adds to the mystery, and is a tourism cash cow. To that end, there is a conspiracy, keeping the site unexcavated. Here is an in depth video about who funds, and manages the site. And it's quite surprising. In the end, the WEF has the final say in what happens to the Gobekli Tepe site.

 

[Skylar]

I appreciate that copper saws can be used to, eventually, saw through granite. It took three guys to saw through a quarter inch of it.

Again, the pyramids were almost entirely limestone. 5.5 million tons compared to 8,000 tons for the granite. That's 0.15%.

Granite was a pain in the ass for the Egyptians to work. Which is why almost all of the monumental architecture they made barely used it. But instead used much softer and easier to work limestone. Granite was generally reserved for statutes, sarcophagi, or altars. For pretty much everything else, they used limestone.

So we have a verified method for the milling of granite AND limestone using materials and technology that the Egyptians absolutely had access to.

Making your 'levitation beams' not only pristinely void of any evidence. But completely unnecessary.

What effort would be involved to sheer a multi-ton granite block? The interior of granite sarcophagi have perfect right angles…how was that done?

A lot. They would have had to drag it with quite a few men pulling in teams.

And like the copper blades, water and quartz sand......they had plenty of that too.

Again, your 'levitation beams' are completely unnecessary. The Egyptians had the tools and manpower at their disposal to work the stone and move it without your imaginary levitation beams.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Again, the pyramids were almost entirely limestone. 5.5 million tonnes compared to 8,000 tons for the granite. That's 0.15%.

Granite was a pain in the ass for the Egyptians to work. Which is why almost all of the monumental architecture they made barely used it. But instead used much softer and easier to work limestone. Granite was generally reserved for statutes, sarcophagi, or altars. For pretty much everything else, they used limestone.

So we have a verified method for the milling of granite AND limestone using materials and technology that the Egyptians absolutely had access to.

Making your 'levitation beams' not only pristinely void of any evidence. But completely unnecessary.





A lot. They would have had to drag it with quite a few men pulling in teams.

And like the copper blades, water and quartz sand......they had plenty of that too.

Again, your 'levitation beams' are completely unnecessary. The Egyptians had the tools and manpower at their disposal to work the stone and move it without your imaginary levitation beams.

All good points

The limestone for the mostly now removed outer finish was not quarried locally, but came from Cairo. Can you imagine what the completed Pyramid must have looked like, even from miles away?

The far harder granite for the relieving portions of the “King’s Chamber” came from several hundred miles away at Aswan. Those weighed 70 tons

I’d hate to have been the project manager waiting for the stones to come from Aswan before we could continue

I understand the idea of levitating 70 ton granite blocks 100 feet into the air seems fanciful, but so did the idea of flying machines at one point

I don’t doubt human ingenuity. I recently watched a video of one of the world greatest artisans make calligraphy ink. He used a deer antler extract and fine soot from a fireplace to make a 2 pound black pizza dough which were transformed into the inks. My point is that prior human civilizations were far more technologically advanced.

 

[Skylar]

All good points

The limestone for the mostly now removed outer finish was not quarried locally, but came from Cairo. Can you imagine what the completed Pyramid must have looked like, even from miles away?

The outer layer was polished limestone. But almost all of the interior blocks were also limestone.

And it would have looked amazing!

The far harder granite for the relieving portions of the “King’s Chamber” came from several hundred miles away at Aswan. Those weighed 70 tons

Yup. And they overwhelmingly transported them on boats. The Egyptians didn't have a vast road network like the Romans. They had the Nile.

And where was Aswan located? Right along the Nile, their primary artery of transport of everything. With the river current flowing from Aswan to the build site.

I’d hate to have been the project manager waiting for the stones to come from Aswan before we could continue

They probably scheduled for the granite to be delivered before it was needed in the monument. Monumental architecture demonstrates monumental logistics.

I understand the idea of levitating 70 ton granite blocks 100 feet into the air seems fanciful, but so did the idea of flying machines at one point

They don't need to 'levitate' them. They can just build earth or stone ramps and drag them with teams of men.

The Egyptians had the technology, manpower, transport capacity and materials to build the pyramids without any of your fanciful explanations.

Your explanation is not only fanciful, its unnecessary. And pristine fact free.

 

[Skylar]

I appreciate that copper saws can be used to, eventually, saw through granite. It took three guys to saw through a quarter inch of it.

The Egyptians had three guys.

What effort would be involved to sheer a multi-ton granite block? The interior of granite sarcophagi have perfect right angles…how was that done?

A lot of effort. Which is why granite made up barely more than 1/10th of 1% of the Pyramids. The rest of was limestone.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Egyptians had three guys.



A lot of effort. Which is why granite made up barely more than 1/10th of 1% of the Pyramids. The rest of was limestone.

But the 70 ton relieving blocks above the "King's Chamber" were granite as was the sarcophagus. Odd that those weren't limestone, right?

I wonder who was the Engineer on the project?

I wonder why civilization ran straight down hill after that

 

[Skylar]

But the 70 ton relieving blocks above the "King's Chamber" were granite as was the sarcophagus. Odd that those weren't limestone, right?

Not at all. Limestone doesn't hold detail like granite does. It also isn't as durable. Almost all of the granite was saved for detail work. And made up a tiny, tiny fraction of the total pyramid. Barely 1/10th of 1% of it.

Granite would have been a pain in the ass for the Egyptians to work. Quartz sand used in the abrasion cutting has a Mohr hardness of 7 to 8. While the granite would have been 6 to 7. Emery could have been imported with a Mohr 9, and made the work easier. But not much.

Limestone in comparison is as low as Mohr 2. And would cut with comparative ease. Which explains why 99.85% of the pyramids were made with it.

I wonder who was the Engineer on the project?

I wonder why civilization ran straight down hill after that

Let me guess....'levitation beams'?

Your timeline on the Egyptians makes zero sense. They started with caves, then upgraded over decades and centuries to clay structures. Then clay brick monumental structures. Then clay brick pyramids (a disaster), then stone proto-pyramids. Then true pyramids. Then the Great Pyramid.

If the 'deep knowledge' was in the past, why did Egyptians bother with iterative architectural advances over centuries, moving from caves to clay to stone?

Why didn't they just start with the Great Pyramid? You know, when they were closer to that 'deep knowledge' that included everything from levitation beams to space lasers?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

9000-year-old ‘Stonehenge-like’ structure discovered at the bottom of Lake Michigan

Odd behavior to build a Stonehenge underwater like this.

Maybe it’s another improbable “natural formation”?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Not at all. Limestone doesn't hold detail like granite does. It also isn't as durable. Almost all of the granite was saved for detail work. And made up a tiny, tiny fraction of the total pyramid. Barely 1/10th of 1% of it.

Granite would have been a pain in the ass for the Egyptians to work. Quartz sand used in the abrasion cutting has a Mohr hardness of 7 to 8. While the granite would have been 6 to 7. Emery could have been imported with a Mohr 9, and made the work easier. But not much.

Limestone in comparison is as low as Mohr 2. And would cut with comparative ease. Which explains why 99.85% of the pyramids were made with it.



Let me guess....'levitation beams'?

Your timeline on the Egyptians makes zero sense. They started with caves, then upgraded over decades and centuries to clay structures. Then clay brick monumental structures. Then clay brick pyramids (a disaster), then stone proto-pyramids. Then true pyramids. Then the Great Pyramid.

If the 'deep knowledge' was in the past, why did Egyptians bother with iterative architectural advances over centuries, moving from caves to clay to stone?

Why didn't they just start with the Great Pyramid? You know, when they were closer to that 'deep knowledge' that included everything from levitation beams to space

Where’s the progress from Giza?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Sage wall Montana USA

Granite blocks up to 90 tons cut, quarried and placed to form a wall

Pairs well with the “legends” that the area was once inhabited by giants

 

[Skylar]

Where’s the progress from Giza?

Again, if the deep knowledge is in the past, why didn't the Eyptians just start with the Great Pyramid rather than going from caves to crude clay, to clay pyramids, to stone pyramids to the Great Pyramid.

Iterative technological innovation over centuries is what we observed. Not 'levitation beams'.

Its also what we observed in meso America. The fertile crescent. China. Japan. Turkey.

 

[Skylar]

Sage wall Montana USA

Granite blocks up to 90 tons cut, quarried and placed to form a wall

Pairs well with the “legends” that the area was once inhabited by giants

Cut and quarried....says who? Placed from where? The granite at Sage Wall in Montana, is from the Sage Wall. That's a natural granite deposit.

Your standard for hyper-diffusion is the vague and ludicrously subjective 'but it looks like'.

 

[Skylar]

9000-year-old ‘Stonehenge-like’ structure discovered at the bottom of Lake Michigan

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Odd behavior to build a Stonehenge underwater like this.

Maybe it’s another improbable “natural formation”?

Who says they were built underwater? The water levels of the great lakes has fluctuated wildly in the last 10,000 years, by hundreds of feet.

There are almost always better explanations than hyper diffusion and levitation beams.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Who says they were built underwater? The water levels of the great lakes has fluctuated wildly in the last 10,000 years, by hundreds of feet.

There are almost always better explanations than hyper diffusion and levitation beams.

What happened to these civilizations all over the world that were carving up multi-ton granite and andesite blocks with copper chisels and quartz sand? They all lost interest in advancing?