Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. Their failed arguments are examined here:

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TruthNotBS said:
Equality before the means of production and nothing else. Everyone owns the means of production, it's the people's commonwealth. Advanced automation and AI make socialism inevitable.
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Stupid communist. Try living in anything even close to your stupid "theory" and you'll find the dumbass smacked out of you right damn quick.
 
DukeU said:
Miscarriage has absolutely NOTHING to do with abortion.

Why do you have to try and muddy the waters with this irrelevant talking point?

No one has suggested you carry around a dead baby in your womb.

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The treatment for a partial miscarriage is a D&C. A surgical abortion is a D&C. There is no difference. That's why women are dying. They're having miscarriages, and D&C's are now illegal in abortion ban states. So hospitals can't treat them, and they're turning them away, until the women are in serious danger of dying, either because they're bleeing out from the hemmoraging, or they develop sepsis and are in danger of dying from the infection.

When I had my second miscarriage, the "counsellor" they sent to talk to me before the surgery could not have been colder. I should have complained. Tight lipped, she asked why I had chosen to terminate this pregnancy. When I told her that the fetus had been dead for over 2 weeks, and I was terrified that if I developed sepsis, I might never be able to get pregnant again, her whole attitude changed, and she became kindly and consoling. But I have no doubt, that if I had said that at age 40, I didn't want to be having babies, her coldness would have stayed.

Both of my miscarriages would have gone untreated in an abortion ban state today, which I find more terrifying than the notion of sepsis. And while my childbearing years are well behind me, I have daughters, granddaughters, and great granddaughters, who I want to have the same level of care and treatment that I was able to access when I was having babies. In fact, I expect them to have a HIGHER standard of care than I received because my youngest, is 34 years old, and medical knowledge has expanded since she was born.

My youngest was born less than a year after my second miscarriage. Had I not had access to timely care at that, she would never have been born.
 
DukeU said:
Miscarriage has absolutely NOTHING to do with abortion.
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miscarriage is not a walk in the park on a sunny day.



At least 10 percent of pregnancies end in a miscarriage, according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.​
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But those are just the ones doctors know about. Some estimates put that number much higher to account for all the times a person didn't realize they were pregnant.​
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The care for a miscarriage is often identical to an induced abortion.​
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Miscarriage settles a point for those of us, rational theists who reject revealed religions by ancient war gods.​
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Nature’s God, who created the reproductive process in mammals provided for a way out when the chromosomes don’t develop or don’t work out properly and conception is aborted.​
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in humans, it proves for me that the sanctity of life does not begin at conception.. that’s all we really need to know about the abortion politics in the United States of America right now.​
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The sanctity of life does not begin at conception.​
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The sanctity of life we know definitely begins at a minimum at birth as far as Nature’s God is concerned. and as far as maintaining civil society, sanctity of life at birth has been the norm our civilized peoples since the beginning of civilization itself.​
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Frankenstein said:
No, I do not believe that I should sin more, so that grace may abound! You think voting for the whore who had an affair with at least one married man, and whose husband knocked up his nanny in his former marriage. You think I would vote for killing babies, and enabling mental illness among children through gender confusing them, encouraging them to mutilate themselves?
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Trump killed over a million Americans with his failed covid ban, and he has no regrets. That's a national security problem, not a personal failing. And he crashed the economy in failing to deal with the mess he made.

6 Bankruptcies, and 34 felony convictions, and he admits to sexually assaulting women. I wouldn't hire this man to run my company, or suggest my daughter go to work for him.

Willy Brown and his wife had been separated for 10 years. They were married in law, but not in fact. The marriage was long ended.

I don't expect leaders to be perfect people, but I certain expect them to be competent and capable of running the nation, and Trump was an abysmal failure both nationally and internationally.

And then there is his criminal behaviour throughout his time in office, which includes - bribery, corruption, obstruction of justice, extortion, pay for play, giving classified documents to the Russians, and 4 years of his attempts to criminally prosecute his political opponents, ON NO EVIDENCE.
 
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Dragonlady said:
The treatment for a partial miscarriage is a D&C. A surgical abortion is a D&C. There is no difference. That's why women are dying. They're having miscarriages, and D&C's are now illegal in abortion ban states. So hospitals can't treat them, and they're turning them away, until the women are in serious danger of dying, either because they're bleeing out from the hemmoraging, or they develop sepsis and are in danger of dying from the infection.

When I had my second miscarriage, the "counsellor" they sent to talk to me before the surgery could not have been colder. I should have complained. Tight lipped, she asked why I had chosen to terminate this pregnancy. When I told her that the fetus had been dead for over 2 weeks, and I was terrified that if I developed sepsis, I might never be able to get pregnant again, her whole attitude changed, and she became kindly and consoling. But I have no doubt, that if I had said that at age 40, I didn't want to be having babies, her coldness would have stayed.

Both of my miscarriages would have gone untreated in an abortion ban state today, which I find more terrifying than the notion of sepsis. And while my childbearing years are well behind me, I have daughters, granddaughters, and great granddaughters, who I want to have the same level of care and treatment that I was able to access when I was having babies. In fact, I expect them to have a HIGHER standard of care than I received because my youngest, is 34 years old, and medical knowledge has expanded since she was born.

My youngest was born less than a year after my second miscarriage. Had I not had access to timely care at that, she would never have been born.
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Why do you have to lie?


Is a D&C an abortion? Experts weigh in on miscarriage care post-Roe​


Aside from abortions, a D&C may be used in the case of a missed miscarriage or incomplete miscarriage. In states where abortion is now prohibited or restricted, using a D&C procedure to evacuate the uterus when there are fetal heart tones present—regardless of the condition it is used for—may be illegal (depending on the scope of the ban and gestational age), as it’s technically considered an abortion.
 
Frankenstein said:
Nonsense, it's why we are the most charitable in, and outside our churches, and country!
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Bullshit. Little of the money donated to your church goes to "charity". The money I donate to our church - all of it, is used to maintain the building and pay the minister, and the collection plate in our congregation isn't enough to maintain the church either. If not for our trust funds, and renting out our building to others, we'd have closed our doors years ago.

"Charity" is the money you give to help other people. Money I give to my church is to help keep our doors open for my family and our congregation, which, while helpful to others, is not what I consider to be "charity".

Most right wing giving, is giving to your church. Let me know when you start giving money to the poor.
 
NotfooledbyW said:
Nobody. What harm cones to you when an unwanted pregnancy happens in the home next to yours?
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Because then a human is murdered in the womb! What is it with the left and killing babies, or asking people to control themselves?
 
Dragonlady said:
Bullshit. Little of the money donated to your church goes to "charity". The money I donate to our church - all of it, is used to maintain the building and pay the minister, and the collection plate in our congregation isn't enough to maintain the church either. If not for our trust funds, and renting out our building to others, we'd have closed our doors years ago.

"Charity" is the money you give to help other people. Money I give to my church is to help keep our doors open for my family and our congregation, which, while helpful to others, is not what I consider to be "charity".

Most right wing giving, is giving to your church. Let me know when you start giving money to the poor.
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Sucks to live in Canada where it has become so secular I guess.
www.seattletimes.com

Conservatives are more giving than liberals

Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for government programs to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.
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We fund meals every week in a major city close to us, we donate food, clothing, we give out gas cards, and pay people bills who are in need, not even Church people, we find jobs for people. Many in our church have adopted kids so maybe should come to America and learn something about giving
 
NotfooledbyW said:
Nobody. What harm cones to you when an unwanted pregnancy happens in the home next to yours?
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Bizzare argument. What harm comes to you when the husband next door shoots his wife in the face?
 
Frankenstein said:
Because then a human is murdered in the womb! What is it with the left and killing babies, or asking people to control themselves?
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Rawley said:
Bizzare argument. What harm comes to you when the husband next door shoots his wife in the face?
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Harm comes to all in a society if the criminal murderer is not apprehended and punished when there are no homicide laws to enforce. We have no civilization if that were the case.

That is the obvious harm that every adult in a civilized society should know.

Why are you learning it from me?
 
NotfooledbyW said:
Harm comes to all in a society if the criminal murderer is not apprehended and punished when there are no homicide laws to enforce. We have no civilization if that were the case.

That is the obvious harm that every adult in a civilized society should know.

Why are you learning it from me?
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And, once again, the slave owner made the same claim when killing a slave.
 
Unkotare said:
Stupid communist. Try living in anything even close to your stupid "theory" and you'll find the dumbass smacked out of you right damn quick.
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Another keyboard commando. Communism is no worse than the oligarchy you've got going on right now. 80% of the income and wealth are owned and controlled by the top 10%.
Frankenstein said:
Because then a human is murdered in the womb! What is it with the left and killing babies, or asking people to control themselves?
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It's not a "human" until is is capable of breathing on its own.

What is it with the right that they want to control women and refuse to allow women to make their own health care decisions.

If you want to ban abortion, insist that all men who don't want to be fathers get snipped. Problem solved.
 
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