Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. Their failed arguments are examined here:

[Unkotare]

Communism is no worse than the oligarchy you've got going on right now. ...

Try it.

 

[Slyhunter]

so why does hamas have hostages still? You don't think that's hiding out? weird shit you follow jack

I think they are all dead, and Hamas doesn't want to admit that.

 

[HeyNorm]

Another keyboard commando. Communism is no worse than the oligarchy you've got going on right now. 80% of the income and wealth are owned and controlled by the top 10%.


It's not a "human" until is is capable of breathing on its own.

What is it with the right that they want to control women and refuse to allow women to make their own health care decisions.

If you want to ban abortion, insist that all men who don't want to be fathers get snipped. Problem solved.

You don’t remember the same sex marriage debate huh?

Remember when your side argued sex isn’t about procreation? Now it is?

 

[Slyhunter]

The Christians and Muslims have a right to live there, and there are as many of them as there are Jews, hence your racist retarded Zionist ideology amounts to a turd in the toilet and it will be flushed down to the sewer where it belongs.

Maybe, but you aren't going to win people over with your attacks directed at Israeli civilians. If you limited it to vs military and/or governmental infrastructure, then maybe fewer people would be against you. Additionally, if you stopped attacking Israel all together, maybe the US would stop using its veto in the UN and you might get what you want via peaceful means. If not, resorting to violence has been proven to not work as well, So maybe you should take no for an answer. After all, you have 150 other countries to choose from, not including those countries you are about to flip, like England and Germany.

 

[Slyhunter]

First of all let me state my position on abortion.
1) It should be decided by at the most the state, possibly the county, etc.
2) If decided, abortion should be allowed for:
a) health of the mother...no question.
b) rape, incest any forced sexual intercourse resulting in pregnancy.
c) abortion for the first time or under age 30.
3) BUT.. abortions done by women that have already had 1 or more abortions...
a) If the 2nd or more abortion the woman is charged with manslaughter i.e. irresponsible sex, no protection, etc.
b) Convicted of illegal abortion would not be imprisoned by required attendance of responsible sex and
100 hours of community services.

Now for FACTS to support the above:
We found that 45% of patients reported having one or more prior abortions. Age was most strongly associated with this outcome, and patients aged 30 and older had more than two times the odds of having had a prior abortion compared with those aged 20–24.

Which Abortion Patients Have Had a Prior Abortion? Findings from the 2014 U.S. Abortion Patient Survey - PMC

Background: Updated information about abortion patients who have had a prior abortion could inform patient-centered practices that help women avoid unintended pregnancies in the future. Materials and Methods: Data come from a national sample of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

FACT is any woman over aged 30 that have already had the killing of a human being, should be punished for
having another abortion! The request for the abortion by a woman over 30 who've had 1 or more previous abortion should BE PUNISHED for not having the responsible sexual behavior control!

This won't STOP abortions. But it will reduce the killings of innocent humans which should be EVERYONE's
acceptance. Reduce killing babies by penalizing ignorant, irresponsible women (and if possible the men!!!) who continue to kill babies due to their lack of caring.

If it is judged as murder then minimum regulations should be Federal wide with States allowed to be more restrictive if it wants.

 

[Slyhunter]

The problem is then every pregnancy according to liberals will become rape, incest, or a medical emergency.

Yea, but it's not the Babies fault how it was conceived.

 

[Slyhunter]

Too many Christians have no concern for this world, due to their pipe dream that there's an afterlife where "the true life" is going to be lived. That's part of the problem with you Christians. You also scapegoat an innocent man, dumping your bad behavior on him, rather than taking responsibility for it and reforming yourself.

As far as we know, there is an afterlife. Though, if so, it is probably not based on a man made religion.

 

[BackAgain]

You are a liar / that is not my logic.

I wrote:

“when a fetus is incapable of living an independent separate life, society has no interest in protecting, or duty to protect that fetus’s life from it’s potential birthmother.”​

A fetus is not born.

Your victim has obviously been born sbd is not inside a birth mother.


Society has a duty to protect every single born person as much as possible through law and order with necessary crime and punishment.

Society has a duty to protect a fetus, other individual except its mother.

When a woman terminates her own pregnancy, there is no breakdown in law and order or civil society when she is not arrested, convicted and punished. That is a fact.

You’re brain dead. Therefore you can’t live an independent life.

So, feel free to just die, you dopey ****.

 

[BackAgain]

Infant deaths rose nationwide following overturn of Roe v. Wade, study finds

Echoing findings from previous research, most excess deaths occurred in infants with congenital abnormalities

www.salon.com

As of this writing, 20 states have banned abortion or passed legislation that bans abortions within early gestational limits, and the majority of these states do not have exemptions for fetal anomalies. This pushes some pregnant people to give birth to babies with congenital anomalies and watch them die just after birth, when they may have elected for an abortion before to avoid such a traumatic experience.



Of course each fetus is unique. The Truth is they are not separate unique human beings until they are born.

And you aren’t viably separate from a life support system. Ergo, to save society any discomfort or expense, you may be summarily removed from life support.

Same logic. Same moronic outcome.

You retard.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

NotfooledbyW said: Harm comes to all in a society if the criminal murderer is not apprehended and punished when there are no homicide laws to enforce. We have no civilization if that were the case. •¥•’ That is the obvious harm that every adult in a civilized society should know.

Why are you learning it from me?

the slave owner made the same claim when killing a slave

Ard you claiming slave owners that kill their slaves were civilized white men. Are you arguing all owners murdered their slaves just for shits and giggjes.

My point was exsctly this:

Harm comes to all in a society if the criminal murderer is not apprehended and punished when there are no homicide laws to enforce.​

You did not address that point.

however, killing a slave was against the law in early America it appears that white supposed Christians control their white supremacy and racism to be able to enforce exist laws

Just another example of white Christian moral decrepitude mostly in the south the confederate states were much of it still exists.

In 1821 the Mississippi Supreme Court held that a white person could be indicted for the common law crime of murder when the victim was a slave.

Legal regulations of slavery were called slave codes. In the territories and states established after the United States became independent, these slave codes were designed by the politically dominant planter class to make "the region safe for slavery".[8]

In North Carolina, enslaved people were entitled to be clothed and fed, and the murder of an enslaved person was punishable. However, enslaved people could not testify against whites nor initiate legal actions. There was no protection against rape. "The entire system worked against protection of slave women from sexual assault and violence".[9]

 

[Dragonlady]

You don’t remember the same sex marriage debate huh?

Remember when your side argued sex isn’t about procreation? Now it is?

Sex isn't about procreation. That's why the men should get snipped. Then they can have sex without worry.

It's easier to snip the men than the women, and easier to reconnect their plumbing when they're ready to be dads.

 

[Slyhunter]

I got an idea, let's abort the fetus for a good reason, like genetic defect. You know, like Downs Syndrome, Bipolorism, and having the gay gene. We could fix the Gay problem in a single generation.

 

[jc456]

Yea, but it's not the Babies fault how it was conceived.

They hate babies

 

[HeyNorm]

NotfooledbyW said: Harm comes to all in a society if the criminal murderer is not apprehended and punished when there are no homicide laws to enforce. We have no civilization if that were the case. •¥•’ That is the obvious harm that every adult in a civilized society should know.

Why are you learning it from me?




Ard you claiming slave owners that kill their slaves were civilized white men. Are you arguing all owners murdered their slaves just for shits and giggjes.

My point was exsctly this:

Harm comes to all in a society if the criminal murderer is not apprehended and punished when there are no homicide laws to enforce.​

You did not address that point.

however, killing a slave was against the law in early America it appears that white supposed Christians control their white supremacy and racism to be able to enforce exist laws

Just another example of white Christian moral decrepitude mostly in the south the confederate states were much of it still exists.

In 1821 the Mississippi Supreme Court held that a white person could be indicted for the common law crime of murder when the victim was a slave.

Legal regulations of slavery were called slave codes. In the territories and states established after the United States became independent, these slave codes were designed by the politically dominant planter class to make "the region safe for slavery".[8]

In North Carolina, enslaved people were entitled to be clothed and fed, and the murder of an enslaved person was punishable. However, enslaved people could not testify against whites nor initiate legal actions. There was no protection against rape. "The entire system worked against protection of slave women from sexual assault and violence".[9]

No bigot, you did not answer, you never do.

You are making the same argument the slave owner made about the value of one type of human life over another.

 

[HeyNorm]

Sex isn't about procreation. That's why the men should get snipped. Then they can have sex without worry.

It's easier to snip the men than the women, and easier to reconnect their plumbing when they're ready to be dads.

That is absurd. If sex isn’t about procreation, then exactly why would the man get snipped?

 

[HeyNorm]

And you aren’t viably separate from a life support system. Ergo, to save society any discomfort or expense, you may be summarily removed from life support.

Same logic. Same moronic outcome.

You retard.

That is exactly their argument.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Same logic. Same moronic outcome.

You are making the same argument the slave owner made about the value of one type of human life over another.

there is nothing the same about gestating a fetus for nine months versus going to the harbor and buying yourself some slaves who are normally grown strong men Who left their mothers womb long before they found themselves in a state of slavery

 

[HeyNorm]

there is nothing the same about gestating a fetus for nine months versus going to the harbor and buying yourself some slaves who are normally grown strong men Who left their mothers womb long before they found themselves in a state of slavery

So, then we discuss the legal standard of “similarly situated”.

An 8 month gestated fetus is similar to a newborn in critical ways. And as BackAgain rightly pointed out, it is “similarly situated” to a person, in a coma and on life support.

To argue differently, is to declare oneself a bigot.

 

[jc456]

there is nothing the same about gestating a fetus for nine months versus going to the harbor and buying yourself some slaves who are normally grown strong men Who left their mothers womb long before they found themselves in a state of slavery

you demofks surely love you slaves. kkking

 

[whutTHEYsay]

you demofks surely love you slaves. kkking

you cannot counter an argument.