How many times has humanity been wiped down to near extinction?

[Skylar]

What happened to these civilizations all over the world that were carving up multi-ton granite and andesite blocks with copper chisels and quartz sand? They all lost interest in advancing?

Or the cost in manpower and resources was more than the cultural value of such monumental architecture to these civilizations. Or they had wars. Or they were conquered. Or there were changes in dynasties with different priorities.

No 'levitation beams' required.

Again, Crusader, you show us that you know hyper-diffusion is nonsense by what you refuse to discuss.

IF there was this vast pool of knowledge in the past that the Egyptians drew from to build the pyramids, then why did they start with caves? Why then move to crude clay structures, then to clay bricks, then to clay brick pyramids, then to proto-pyramids, then to true stone pyramids and only THEN to the Great Pyramid.

if the knowledge is in the past, why didn't they just start with the Great Pyramid and skip all those intermediate steps? Why develop their craft in building slowly and iteratively, innovating at each step, with one technology refined to create another, refined further to create another, step by step?

Your hyper-diffusion narrative makes zero sense. As the Egyptians created LESS sophisticated structures the father you go back in their archeological record. Where under hyper-diffusion, it would get MORE complex the farther you go back.

You know hyper-diffusion doesn't work. Which is why you avoid these theory killing holes like they were chasing you with a butcher knife. But you still tell us what you really believe by what you refuse to discuss.

 

[ReinyDays]

I don't know if someone already mentioned this ... but I think the premise in the OP is wrong ...

There were no humans in the Nile River Delta 50,000 years ago when the Egyptians arrived ... so we have 40,000 years of continuous human habitation before the current level at Gobekli Tepi ... and like AMart said, we're still digging there ... who knows how far back this settlement goes ...

The technology used goes back millions of years ... our upright gait allowed us to carry our tools from one encampment to another, something no other land animal does ... refining these tools is why our brains got bigger ... long long before Homo sapiens emerged ...

What's missing is Cesium-135 ... a sure sign of an advanced civilization ... otherwise it's just the Flintstones all over again ...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Massive civilization in SE Africa spanning 1,000 square miles, perhaps 200,000 years old

Also numerous evidence of world wide contacts: elephant carvings in MesoAmerica, cocaine in Egyptian mummies, African coins in Australia and so on

 

[Skylar]

With the recent discovery of Gobekli Tepi, it's indisputable that a prior, advanced human civilization was laid low during the Younger Dryas. By itself it speaks to a prior civilization that warned doom from the sky above. Then you add to it that the Egyptian Priest who told that the destruction happened 9,000 years prior, also dating back to the Younger Dryas.

With respect to the dating of the Sphinx and Great Pyramid, it's clear that these were already there when the Egyptians arrived. Since both the Sphinx and Pyramids show water erosion, they too predate the Younger Dryas. The question is: did the builder of the Pyramids intentionally make a construct they KNEW would survive the certain destruction?

Humans have been the same genetically for 200,000 plus years. The idea that we only developed technology a few thousand years ago is now demonstrable false. They was at least one prior, advanced civilization. I suspect there were others as well

Thoughts?

Göbekli Tepe - Wikipedia

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Gobekli Tepi was the side of a moderate village. It consists of a temple about about 20 buildings.

That's hardly an 'advanced civilization'. That's a village. The entire site is about 20 acres

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

Gobekli Tepi was the side of a moderate village. It consists of a temple about about 20 buildings.

That's hardly an 'advanced civilization'. That's a village. The entire site is about 20 acres

A city can fit in that small of an area. The Kowloon Walled City was 6.4 acres.

 

[Skylar]

A city can fit in that small of an area. The Kowloon Walled City was 6.4 acres.

Not with 1 temple and 20 buildings it can't.

And you're not getting the population density of Kowloon with its 13-15 story steel beam and concrete structures.......with stone age technology that didn't even include metal tools.

So that dog won't hunt.

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

Not with 1 temple and 20 buildings it can't.

Again, Kowloon Walled City had dozens of if not hundreds of buildings. Your point is moot.

 

[Skylar]

Again, Kowloon Walled City had dozens of if not hundreds of buildings. Your point is moot.

Obvious nonsense, when Gobekli Tepi had 1 temple and about 20 buildings. Most of them single rooms.

Worse, and you're not getting the population density of Kowloon with its hundreds of 10-15 story steel beam and concrete structures.......with stone age technology that didn't even include metal tools.

Again, Gobekli Tepi was not an 'advanced civilization'. It was neolithic village and temple complex with a handful of buildings spread across about 20 acres. With an estimated permanent population of zero.

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

Obvious nonsense, when Gobekli Tepi had 1 temple and about 20 buildings.

Worse, and you're not getting the population density of Kowloon with its hundreds of 10-15 story steel beam and concrete structures.......with stone age technology that didn't even include metal tools.

Again, Gobekli Tepi was not an 'advanced civilization'. It was neolithic village and temple complex with a handful of buildings spread across about 20 acres.

Gobekli Tepi was a post flood civilization with animals depicted on the stone pillars that are not from the region. Gobekli Tepi was either built by Noah or they had assistance from extraterrestrials. That makes them advanced.

 

[Skylar]

Gobekli Tepi was a post flood civilization with animals depicted on the stone pillars that are not from the region.

A village with 1 temple complex and about 20 buildings, with and estimated zero permanent residents is not a 'advanced civilization'. Its a village.

Gobekli Tepi was either built by Noah or they had assistance from extraterrestrials. That makes them advanced.

Anyone else want to jump on the 'Built by Noah' or had "help from aliens" train?

And why would aliens be necessary for neolithic people to work in stone?

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

A village with 1 temple complex and about 20 buildings, with and estimated zero permanent residents is not a 'advanced civilization'. Its a village.


Anyone else want to jump on the 'Built by Noah' or had "help from aliens" train?

And why would aliens be necessary for neolithic people to work in stone?

Oh so explain Puma Punku being built by man. The stones are interlocked so well that a piece of paper can't fit. And the stones look like they were cut by a laser. Thus extraterrestrial help. We cannot replicate what they did with their structures. We lack the correct technology.

 

[Skylar]

Oh so explain Puma Punku being built by man. The stones are interlocked so well that a piece of paper can't fit. And the stones look like they were cut by a laser. Thus extraterrestrial help. We cannot replicate what they did with their structures. We lack the correct technology.

So you have no reason why neolythic people couldn't work in stone at the small Gobekli Tepi site, and are switching locations.

Yeah, I couldn't think of a single reason either. And with your complete abandonment of Gobekli Tepi having anything remotely close to the Kowloon population density, or any justification that 1 temple and 20 mostly single room buildings at Gobekli Tepi constitutes an 'advanced civilization', have you conceded the point?

"Looks like" isn't a scientific standard. Its a subjective opinion. What evidence do you have that the stones at pumapuku were 'cut by laser'? Or any of the stonework near La Paz was? The proto-Olmec people were prolific stone workers.

Why couldn't neolythic people near La Paz work in stone?

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

So you have no reason why neolythic people couldn't work in stone at the small Gobekli Tepi site, and are switching locations.

Yeah, I couldn't think of a single reason either. And with your complete abandonment of Gobekli Tepi having anything remotely close to the Kowloon population density, or any justification that 1 temple and 20 mostly single room buildings at Gobekli Tepi constitutes an 'advanced civilization', have you conceded the point?

"Looks like" isn't a scientific standard. Its a subjective opinion. What evidence do you have that the stones at pumapuku were 'cut by laser'? Or any of the stonework near La Paz was? The proto-Olmec people were prolific stone workers.

Why couldn't neolythic people near La Paz work in stone?

Gobekli Tepi couldn't have been built using stone tools. Also those at Puma Punku couldn't built their structures by their tools either. I think you need to watch Ancient Aliens to get my point that the stones are laser cut at Puma Punku.

 

[Skylar]

Gobekli Tepi couldn't have been built using stone tools.

Says who?

Is it you citing yourself? Its you citing yourself, isn't it?

Also those at Puma Punku couldn't built their structures by their tools either. I think you need to watch Ancient Aliens to get my point that the stones are laser cut at Puma Punku.

Again, says who? You simply declaring that something couldn't be built isn't actually evidence. Its just you offering us your subjective opinion.

And your beliefs are not a scientific standard.

I think you need to watch a little less Ancient Aliens and learn a little bit more about the scientific process.

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

Says who?

Is it you citing yourself? Its you citing yourself, isn't it?



Again, says who? You simply declaring that something couldn't be built isn't actually evidence. Its just you offering us your subjective opinion.

And your beliefs are not a scientific standard.

I think you need to watch a little less Ancient Aliens and learn a little bit more about the scientific process.

Im not citing myself. I cite my research from Ancient Aliens. Also the Ancient Astronaut theory is right.

 

[Skylar]

Im not citing myself. I cite my research from Ancient Aliens. Also the Ancient Astronaut theory is right.

So Graham Hancock?

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

So Graham Hancock?

No, Erich von Däniken.

 

[Skylar]

No, Erich von Däniken.

Oh, the Chariots of the Gods guy, with no scientific training whatsoever, nor the slightest expertise in anything he's discussing.

Why would the personal opinion of a writer on what is possible for neolythic stonework as scientific evidence?

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

Oh, the Chariots of the Gods guy, with no scientific training whatsoever, nor the slightest expertise in anything he's discussing.

Why would the personal opinion of a writer on what is possible for neolythic stonework as scientific evidence?

Trust me, he knows what he is talking about. I read his book and I was intrigued of the lies that mainstream archeology told.

 

[Skylar]

Trust me, he knows what he is talking about. I read his book and I was intrigued of the lies that mainstream archeology told.

You just said that Gobekli Tepi was built by 'Noah' or 'aliens'. And provided nothing to back either claim.

Why would I trust your personal opinion as scientific evidence?