How many COVID deaths are attributable to Trump?

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Firstly, More people have died "With" Covid than from it. CDC admits that less than 6% of deaths are attributed solely to Covid. Secondly, Trump did not create this virus, the Chinese did.

Blame them.
They were alive before COVID

Not so after
Poor FalseWinger, clinging to hatred like a security blanket!!

You're a crackpot and your are about to experience another massive defeat as Biden is slaughtered. Your ideas suck. Your lies are exposed. Your leaders are as phony as your username.....
 
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I wish front the start we had a national plan that included all states acting in unison. Instead we had cities, counties, and states all deciding on the relative own as to how they will respond individually. Emphasizing from the beginning that it’s serious, it’s ok to be scared, but we will get through it together as a unified country. Unfortunately that didn’t happen and won’t happen.
Exactly
Each state and city were on their own and competed for scarce resources
Allowing hundreds of different responses left us vulnerable
BE VERY SPECIFIC and CITE the Constitutional provision that would allow the US President to over ride State and Local authority.

:slap:
The supremacy clause only states that federal law (not will or notion or fleeting idea or political ideology or campaign slogan) including the constitution which is the SUPREME law of the land and which includes the supremacy clause itself supercedes all local and state laws.
Care to discuss gun control next, nitwit?
Which means laws passed at the federal level are supreme to laws passed at state and local levels.

It means if Trump instilled laws on fighting COVID, states would have to follow them
No it does NOT EXCEPT in SPECIFIC authorized powers granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution. I asked you to cite which clause in the Constitution gives him that power, here let me help you,, THERE ISN'T one. Try actually reading the thing, there is even an amendment that SPECIFICALLY States that powers NOT GRANTED to the Federal Government remained with the State or the people.
The Supremacy Clause gives the federal laws supremacy over any state or local laws.

That would include laws and regulations related to COVID

And no, the Constitution does not specify COVID but gives Congress the right to act in the General Welfare of We the People
 
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Firstly, More people have died "With" Covid than from it. CDC admits that less than 6% of deaths are attributed solely to Covid. Secondly, Trump did not create this virus, the Chinese did.

Blame them.
They were alive before COVID

Not so after
Poor FalseWinger, clinging to hatred like a security blanket!!

You're a crackpot and your are about to experience another massive defeat as Biden is slaughtered. Your ideas suck. Your lies are exposed. Your leaders are as phony as your username.....
Looks like someone is having the wrong time of the month
 
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210,000 deaths with no end in sight. The rest of the world looks at us in shock. We were once admired around the world for our healthcare and global leadership.

Now, nobody wants to be us.


One way to look at it is to compare the death toll in the United States with outcomes in other, similar countries. That's the approach taken by researchers with Columbia University's National Center for Disaster Preparedness. This week, they released a report estimating that between 130,000 and 210,000 deaths from covid-19 didn't need to occur, had the country's response been as effective as those of other nations.
Fortunately, your lack of intelligence is not shared by 10s of millions of other US citizens.
I guess the mathematics is above your pay grade
 

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Firstly, More people have died "With" Covid than from it. CDC admits that less than 6% of deaths are attributed solely to Covid. Secondly, Trump did not create this virus, the Chinese did.

Blame them.
They were alive before COVID

Not so after
A universal mandate for all states would be extremely dumb since different area are affected differently. One size does not fit all
 
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Firstly, More people have died "With" Covid than from it. CDC admits that less than 6% of deaths are attributed solely to Covid. Secondly, Trump did not create this virus, the Chinese did.

Blame them.
They were alive before COVID

Not so after
A universal mandate for all states would be extremely dumb since different area are affected differently. One size does not fit all
Doesnt have to

You can make levels of enforcement based on infection levels and limit interstate travel
 

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210,000 deaths with no end in sight. The rest of the world looks at us in shock. We were once admired around the world for our healthcare and global leadership.

Now, nobody wants to be us.


One way to look at it is to compare the death toll in the United States with outcomes in other, similar countries. That's the approach taken by researchers with Columbia University's National Center for Disaster Preparedness. This week, they released a report estimating that between 130,000 and 210,000 deaths from covid-19 didn't need to occur, had the country's response been as effective as those of other nations.
mass murder on a huge scale.
 

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210,000 deaths with no end in sight. The rest of the world looks at us in shock. We were once admired around the world for our healthcare and global leadership.

Now, nobody wants to be us.


One way to look at it is to compare the death toll in the United States with outcomes in other, similar countries. That's the approach taken by researchers with Columbia University's National Center for Disaster Preparedness. This week, they released a report estimating that between 130,000 and 210,000 deaths from covid-19 didn't need to occur, had the country's response been as effective as those of other nations.
Fortunately, your lack of intelligence is not shared by 10s of millions of other US citizens.
I guess the mathematics is above your pay grade
I guess you know nothing about how cities operate.

Please tell us how all the establishments in your area are closed and I'll check out whether or not you're telling the truth.
I assume you're near Monticello.
 

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A reasonable question. As the article and underlying research indicate it is hard to answer accurately. Comparisons were not made with mainland China, but with South Korea and Germany, which share some but certainly not all of the features of our own at the moment divided and almost disfunctional Democratic / Republican system. Key points are:

“In South Korea, where the first infection was detected on the same day as the United States, there have been only 0.85 deaths per 100,000 residents. That's largely a function of the robust containment measures the country undertook right off the bat, unrolling a broad testing regimen that allowed it to halt the progression of the virus. Had the United States been able to do something similar and achieved a 0.85 per 100,000 death rate, only about 2,800 people would have died here.

“Even if we'd matched Germany, where the death toll was 11.72 per 100,000 residents, we'd still have seen fewer than 40,000 deaths. Instead, the number of deaths in the United States is the highest in the world, and among the highest when controlling for population.”

As I’ve written elsewhere ( U.S. sets single-day record for COVID-19 cases during new surge ) our federal system of government, our extreme individualism and fear of government, our disfunctional party system, our lack of social solidarity — these all worked against a more effective response. Even Democrats would have confronted these obstacles.
 
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I wish front the start we had a national plan that included all states acting in unison. Instead we had cities, counties, and states all deciding on the relative own as to how they will respond individually. Emphasizing from the beginning that it’s serious, it’s ok to be scared, but we will get through it together as a unified country. Unfortunately that didn’t happen and won’t happen.
Exactly
Each state and city were on their own and competed for scarce resources
Allowing hundreds of different responses left us vulnerable
BE VERY SPECIFIC and CITE the Constitutional provision that would allow the US President to over ride State and Local authority.

:slap:
The supremacy clause only states that federal law (not will or notion or fleeting idea or political ideology or campaign slogan) including the constitution which is the SUPREME law of the land and which includes the supremacy clause itself supercedes all local and state laws.
Care to discuss gun control next, nitwit?
Which means laws passed at the federal level are supreme to laws passed at state and local levels.

It means if Trump instilled laws on fighting COVID, states would have to follow them
No it does NOT EXCEPT in SPECIFIC authorized powers granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution. I asked you to cite which clause in the Constitution gives him that power, here let me help you,, THERE ISN'T one. Try actually reading the thing, there is even an amendment that SPECIFICALLY States that powers NOT GRANTED to the Federal Government remained with the State or the people.
The Supremacy Clause gives the federal laws supremacy over any state or local laws.

That would include laws and regulations related to COVID

And no, the Constitution does not specify COVID but gives Congress the right to act in the General Welfare of We the People
No it does NOT. Unless it is a specific power granted to the Federal Government it remains with the State or the 10th amendment would be useless. The power does not exist at the Federal level. Unless you can cite an actual clause that states the Federal Government has authority they do not.
 

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In this country ALL deaths are covid deaths. Creamed in a motorcycle accident ? Die from an overdose? No matter its all the china flu. Old death certificates have been recalled to change the cause of death to covid. It's no wonder the death count is so high.
Exactly! We'll never know the actual number of deaths or even actual cases. When hospitals get funds for every COVID death and people who are retested for COVID are recorded as a new case each time.....it's impossible.
 
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I wish front the start we had a national plan that included all states acting in unison. Instead we had cities, counties, and states all deciding on the relative own as to how they will respond individually. Emphasizing from the beginning that it’s serious, it’s ok to be scared, but we will get through it together as a unified country. Unfortunately that didn’t happen and won’t happen.
Exactly
Each state and city were on their own and competed for scarce resources
Allowing hundreds of different responses left us vulnerable
BE VERY SPECIFIC and CITE the Constitutional provision that would allow the US President to over ride State and Local authority.

:slap:
The supremacy clause only states that federal law (not will or notion or fleeting idea or political ideology or campaign slogan) including the constitution which is the SUPREME law of the land and which includes the supremacy clause itself supercedes all local and state laws.
Care to discuss gun control next, nitwit?
Which means laws passed at the federal level are supreme to laws passed at state and local levels.

It means if Trump instilled laws on fighting COVID, states would have to follow them
No it does NOT EXCEPT in SPECIFIC authorized powers granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution. I asked you to cite which clause in the Constitution gives him that power, here let me help you,, THERE ISN'T one. Try actually reading the thing, there is even an amendment that SPECIFICALLY States that powers NOT GRANTED to the Federal Government remained with the State or the people.
The Supremacy Clause gives the federal laws supremacy over any state or local laws.

That would include laws and regulations related to COVID

And no, the Constitution does not specify COVID but gives Congress the right to act in the General Welfare of We the People
No it does NOT. Unless it is a specific power granted to the Federal Government it remains with the State or the 10th amendment would be useless. The power does not exist at the Federal level. Unless you can cite an actual clause that states the Federal Government has authority they do not.
Just STOP it

That restricted interpretation of the Constitution has not been upheld by any court at any time

It only appeals to internet whackos
 

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I wish front the start we had a national plan that included all states acting in unison. Instead we had cities, counties, and states all deciding on the relative own as to how they will respond individually. Emphasizing from the beginning that it’s serious, it’s ok to be scared, but we will get through it together as a unified country. Unfortunately that didn’t happen and won’t happen.
Exactly
Each state and city were on their own and competed for scarce resources
Allowing hundreds of different responses left us vulnerable
BE VERY SPECIFIC and CITE the Constitutional provision that would allow the US President to over ride State and Local authority.

:slap:
The supremacy clause only states that federal law (not will or notion or fleeting idea or political ideology or campaign slogan) including the constitution which is the SUPREME law of the land and which includes the supremacy clause itself supercedes all local and state laws.
Care to discuss gun control next, nitwit?
Which means laws passed at the federal level are supreme to laws passed at state and local levels.

It means if Trump instilled laws on fighting COVID, states would have to follow them
No it does NOT EXCEPT in SPECIFIC authorized powers granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution. I asked you to cite which clause in the Constitution gives him that power, here let me help you,, THERE ISN'T one. Try actually reading the thing, there is even an amendment that SPECIFICALLY States that powers NOT GRANTED to the Federal Government remained with the State or the people.
The Supremacy Clause gives the federal laws supremacy over any state or local laws.

That would include laws and regulations related to COVID

And no, the Constitution does not specify COVID but gives Congress the right to act in the General Welfare of We the People
No it does NOT. Unless it is a specific power granted to the Federal Government it remains with the State or the 10th amendment would be useless. The power does not exist at the Federal level. Unless you can cite an actual clause that states the Federal Government has authority they do not.
Just STOP it

That restricted interpretation of the Constitution has not been upheld by any court at any time

It only appeals to internet whackos
Bullfuckingshit.

It was upheld regularly in the early days of the country.

A great example would be the slaughterhouse cases.

And has been pointed out to you on numerous instances....why the fuck did Roosevelt want to pack the court.
 

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210,000 deaths with no end in sight. The rest of the world looks at us in shock. We were once admired around the world for our healthcare and global leadership.

Now, nobody wants to be us.


One way to look at it is to compare the death toll in the United States with outcomes in other, similar countries. That's the approach taken by researchers with Columbia University's National Center for Disaster Preparedness. This week, they released a report estimating that between 130,000 and 210,000 deaths from covid-19 didn't need to occur, had the country's response been as effective as those of other nations.
All of them.
 

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I wish front the start we had a national plan that included all states acting in unison. Instead we had cities, counties, and states all deciding on the relative own as to how they will respond individually. Emphasizing from the beginning that it’s serious, it’s ok to be scared, but we will get through it together as a unified country. Unfortunately that didn’t happen and won’t happen.
Exactly
Each state and city were on their own and competed for scarce resources
Allowing hundreds of different responses left us vulnerable
BE VERY SPECIFIC and CITE the Constitutional provision that would allow the US President to over ride State and Local authority.

:slap:
The supremacy clause only states that federal law (not will or notion or fleeting idea or political ideology or campaign slogan) including the constitution which is the SUPREME law of the land and which includes the supremacy clause itself supercedes all local and state laws.
Care to discuss gun control next, nitwit?
Which means laws passed at the federal level are supreme to laws passed at state and local levels.

It means if Trump instilled laws on fighting COVID, states would have to follow them
No it does NOT EXCEPT in SPECIFIC authorized powers granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution. I asked you to cite which clause in the Constitution gives him that power, here let me help you,, THERE ISN'T one. Try actually reading the thing, there is even an amendment that SPECIFICALLY States that powers NOT GRANTED to the Federal Government remained with the State or the people.
The Supremacy Clause gives the federal laws supremacy over any state or local laws.

That would include laws and regulations related to COVID

And no, the Constitution does not specify COVID but gives Congress the right to act in the General Welfare of We the People
No it does NOT. Unless it is a specific power granted to the Federal Government it remains with the State or the 10th amendment would be useless. The power does not exist at the Federal level. Unless you can cite an actual clause that states the Federal Government has authority they do not.
Just STOP it

That restricted interpretation of the Constitution has not been upheld by any court at any time

It only appeals to internet whackos
Again DUMB ASS the present circumstances PROVE the Federal Government has no authority. Using your logic the 10th would be useless because all the fed would have to say is "General welfare" And they can not. As for this specifically I refer you to ALL the democratic Governors that REFUSED to follow the recommendations of the Federal Government in this instance. Nothing could be done about it because the Constitution does not give the fed that power. I ask again cite one of the listed powers of the federal Government that is recognized as a power not this "general welfare" bullshit, it does not has not and never has flown.

Using General welfare if it existed Trump could have put Federal troops in any city he wanted that was rioting, He could not. He could have taken over the Guard of each state and used them to do his bidding, He could not do that.

Go ahead RETARD cite a single case where the Federal Government usurped a States authority and cited "General Welfare". Cite for us ANY case in law where it was asserted and upheld by the Supreme Court. You can not because it has never happened. The federal Government can control interstate commerce and in some cases interstate travel. They have NO authority over the States in regards medical process or procedures in a pandemic.
 

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210,000 deaths with no end in sight. The rest of the world looks at us in shock. We were once admired around the world for our healthcare and global leadership.

Now, nobody wants to be us.


One way to look at it is to compare the death toll in the United States with outcomes in other, similar countries. That's the approach taken by researchers with Columbia University's National Center for Disaster Preparedness. This week, they released a report estimating that between 130,000 and 210,000 deaths from covid-19 didn't need to occur, had the country's response been as effective as those of other nations.
Zero.
 
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I wish front the start we had a national plan that included all states acting in unison. Instead we had cities, counties, and states all deciding on the relative own as to how they will respond individually. Emphasizing from the beginning that it’s serious, it’s ok to be scared, but we will get through it together as a unified country. Unfortunately that didn’t happen and won’t happen.
Exactly
Each state and city were on their own and competed for scarce resources
Allowing hundreds of different responses left us vulnerable
BE VERY SPECIFIC and CITE the Constitutional provision that would allow the US President to over ride State and Local authority.

:slap:
The supremacy clause only states that federal law (not will or notion or fleeting idea or political ideology or campaign slogan) including the constitution which is the SUPREME law of the land and which includes the supremacy clause itself supercedes all local and state laws.
Care to discuss gun control next, nitwit?
Which means laws passed at the federal level are supreme to laws passed at state and local levels.

It means if Trump instilled laws on fighting COVID, states would have to follow them
No it does NOT EXCEPT in SPECIFIC authorized powers granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution. I asked you to cite which clause in the Constitution gives him that power, here let me help you,, THERE ISN'T one. Try actually reading the thing, there is even an amendment that SPECIFICALLY States that powers NOT GRANTED to the Federal Government remained with the State or the people.
The Supremacy Clause gives the federal laws supremacy over any state or local laws.

That would include laws and regulations related to COVID

And no, the Constitution does not specify COVID but gives Congress the right to act in the General Welfare of We the People
No it does NOT. Unless it is a specific power granted to the Federal Government it remains with the State or the 10th amendment would be useless. The power does not exist at the Federal level. Unless you can cite an actual clause that states the Federal Government has authority they do not.
Just STOP it

That restricted interpretation of the Constitution has not been upheld by any court at any time

It only appeals to internet whackos
Bullfuckingshit.

It was upheld regularly in the early days of the country.

A great example would be the slaughterhouse cases.

And has been pointed out to you on numerous instances....why the fuck did Roosevelt want to pack the court.
That childish interpretation that the Constitution must contain all possible functions of Government is only held by internet whack jobs.

Your claim that the Federal Government has no Constitutional Responsibility to regulate public safety ignores food and drug laws, highway safety, workplace safety, air and water standards.....

Regulations that have been in place for a hundred years
 

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I wish front the start we had a national plan that included all states acting in unison. Instead we had cities, counties, and states all deciding on the relative own as to how they will respond individually. Emphasizing from the beginning that it’s serious, it’s ok to be scared, but we will get through it together as a unified country. Unfortunately that didn’t happen and won’t happen.
Exactly
Each state and city were on their own and competed for scarce resources
Allowing hundreds of different responses left us vulnerable
BE VERY SPECIFIC and CITE the Constitutional provision that would allow the US President to over ride State and Local authority.

:slap:
The supremacy clause only states that federal law (not will or notion or fleeting idea or political ideology or campaign slogan) including the constitution which is the SUPREME law of the land and which includes the supremacy clause itself supercedes all local and state laws.
Care to discuss gun control next, nitwit?
Which means laws passed at the federal level are supreme to laws passed at state and local levels.

It means if Trump instilled laws on fighting COVID, states would have to follow them
No it does NOT EXCEPT in SPECIFIC authorized powers granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution. I asked you to cite which clause in the Constitution gives him that power, here let me help you,, THERE ISN'T one. Try actually reading the thing, there is even an amendment that SPECIFICALLY States that powers NOT GRANTED to the Federal Government remained with the State or the people.
The Supremacy Clause gives the federal laws supremacy over any state or local laws.

That would include laws and regulations related to COVID

And no, the Constitution does not specify COVID but gives Congress the right to act in the General Welfare of We the People
No it does NOT. Unless it is a specific power granted to the Federal Government it remains with the State or the 10th amendment would be useless. The power does not exist at the Federal level. Unless you can cite an actual clause that states the Federal Government has authority they do not.
Just STOP it

That restricted interpretation of the Constitution has not been upheld by any court at any time

It only appeals to internet whackos
Bullfuckingshit.

It was upheld regularly in the early days of the country.

A great example would be the slaughterhouse cases.

And has been pointed out to you on numerous instances....why the fuck did Roosevelt want to pack the court.
That childish interpretation that the Constitution must contain all possible functions of Government is only held by internet whack jobs.

Your claim that the Federal Government has no Constitutional Responsibility to regulate public safety ignores food and drug laws, highway safety, workplace safety, air and water standards.....

Regulations that have been in place for a hundred years
All covered by actual clauses in the Constitution.
 

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How many are attributed to Cumo and other Governors and their poor leadership?
How many deaths attributed to covid are not actually covid deaths?
How many deaths attributed to covid were the result of covid alone with no underlying health problems?
How many deaths are attributed to the numerous experts who have given conflicting information about how to protect yourself in the early days of covid?
See how easy this who is to blame game is?
Trump left the hard decisions to the Governors while he pretended COVID was no threat.
covid is no threat. just take hcq and don't wear masks on rallies and events. when you surprisingly get sick, have 20 doctors and marine one on standby if you feel tired. switch to a working treatment regimen. anyone can do that. easypeasy.
Only virus in history that you have to be tested to know you have it..........WOW........I'm gonna piss myself with the rate of this......

OMFG.........I could have it right now and not know it.......Dang MAIL IN VIRUS.....hopefully you idiots will STFU after the dang election.
If you have it, wouldn’t you want to prevent yourself from spreading it to your family ?

Oh, I forgot
You are Republican
More than likely we have already had this BS already way back when...........before your side tried to use this BS for a Mail In Virus for voting.........

You and your Fear Mongering are boring me.
So you are now claiming Democrats fooled the world into thinking there is a COVID epidemic ........Just so they can have mail in voting
Not at all..................you are using it for Mail in Voting ...........so you can cheat your wittle asses off.
 
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How many are attributed to Cumo and other Governors and their poor leadership?
How many deaths attributed to covid are not actually covid deaths?
How many deaths attributed to covid were the result of covid alone with no underlying health problems?
How many deaths are attributed to the numerous experts who have given conflicting information about how to protect yourself in the early days of covid?
See how easy this who is to blame game is?
Trump left the hard decisions to the Governors while he pretended COVID was no threat.
covid is no threat. just take hcq and don't wear masks on rallies and events. when you surprisingly get sick, have 20 doctors and marine one on standby if you feel tired. switch to a working treatment regimen. anyone can do that. easypeasy.
Only virus in history that you have to be tested to know you have it..........WOW........I'm gonna piss myself with the rate of this......

OMFG.........I could have it right now and not know it.......Dang MAIL IN VIRUS.....hopefully you idiots will STFU after the dang election.
If you have it, wouldn’t you want to prevent yourself from spreading it to your family ?

Oh, I forgot
You are Republican
More than likely we have already had this BS already way back when...........before your side tried to use this BS for a Mail In Virus for voting.........

You and your Fear Mongering are boring me.
So you are now claiming Democrats fooled the world into thinking there is a COVID epidemic ........Just so they can have mail in voting
Not at all..................you are using it for Mail in Voting ...........so you can cheat your wittle asses off.
How can you cheat?
Explain
 

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