How Jesus became god'... from not being one. Bart Ehrman.

[ding]

I know I'm having fun.

 

[irosie91]

when was WHAT written ?

THE MAHABHARATA
and the MISHNAH Torah-

they are all writings that got compiled and redacted
and fixed up between 2500 and 3500 years ago---
based on both known history and preceding writings. A general term for such writings is SCRIPTURAL writings ----also a term referring to enlightened
humans

 

[ding]

when was WHAT written ?

THE MAHABHARATA
and the MISHNAH Torah-

they are all writings that got compiled and redacted
and fixed up between 2500 and 3500 years ago---
based on both known history and preceding writings. A general term for such writings is SCRIPTURAL writings ----also a term referring to enlightened
humans

So if they were written 2500 to 3500 years ago, how did they know what happened 5,781 years ago?

 

[irosie91]

Assuming God exists (do I always have to start off with that?) and He is perfect, I certainly see lots of imperfection in this world. I'd judge He's not living up to his potential. Would creation fall apart if there were no viruses?

Yes, God exists and he is perfect. It is always wrong and a sin to assume God doesn't exist, but here we are because of liberal, atheist, and evolutionary thinking. We even worship the science of atheism today. It is a sinful science of paganism that we put before real science. We were perfect creatures and God lived with us back then, but for Adam's sin against God he brought death into this life, two covenants, and more sin.

Does god hear you when you pray?

What is your point with this line of questioning? I already said as a child I prayed for a bicycle and got a bicycle.

Some just don't like to admit that God obviously ignores total assholes and never gives them what they want.

Life has been very good to me and Stalin died peacefully in his bed. You're either wrong about God or wrong about assholes.

You think Stalin prayed? lol he was a sociopath, just smarter than his enemy sociopaths is all. You probably would think of him ans a hero. And I'm not surprised you missed my point.

stalin was a DIVINITY STUDENT----so outstanding that the priests were convinced that he would become a PRIEST (eastern orthodox church)

So what? Lots of sociopaths who want power will infiltrate religious hierarchies; just look at all the crazy loony Rabbis running around; just read Erutz Sheva for a week, as they really enjoy reporting on them a lot.

true Josef Stalin was a top notch divinity student.
Martin Luther is considered a founder of the protestants sects------well, at least LUTHERANISM.
The murderer Constantine is a "SAINT" and then there is Pope Frank and Josef Goebbels and wife
Magda were ardent catholics. Our dear pic imagines, in his delirium, something about
seven Erutzes

Are we now supposed to cite crazy Rabbis and Jewish cult crazies for the 17th century now?

to which 17 th century are you referring-----keep
in mind----we are moving into the year 5781

What happened 5781 years ago?

the world became ENGLIGHTENED

Can you "enlighten" me as to which specific event that would have been?

of course-----it was when mankind emerged from the forests and the fields and the wilderness and
began to form actual SOCIETIES with rules of
morality and table etiquette including the washing
of ones' hands before eating and many noticed that
sacrificing infants to the moon was NOT NICE. The
first enlightenment

Did they not have a "society" when they were in the forest and the fields and the wilderness?

Or were they just all wandering around in the forest, fields and wilderness individually waiting for someone to say, hey, we need to form a society and start washing our hands and stop sacrificing infants to the moon?

And who was it that formed that first society or civilization? Because it seems to me that societies and civilizations existed before 5,781 years ago.

that depends on how you define "society" By your very loose definition-----bees and birds and apes have SOCIETIES-------and certainly elephants and Dolphins. The planet from inception of primates and thence to humans was very diverse----that which makes HUMAN SOCIETY of the enlightened type includes actual stated and SUNG IN POEM
written forms rules of morality and table etiquette.
Another issue is BREAD

I'm going off of what YOU said that 5,781 years ago they formed the first societies. So according to YOUR definition there were no societies prior to 5,781 years ago.

Did I write "FIRST SOCIETIES" ? If I did, it was a
mistake. What I should have written is first HUMAN ENLIGHTENED SOCIETIES. Keep in mind---5781 years ago is 3761 BCE

 

[irosie91]

when was WHAT written ?

THE MAHABHARATA
and the MISHNAH Torah-

they are all writings that got compiled and redacted
and fixed up between 2500 and 3500 years ago---
based on both known history and preceding writings. A general term for such writings is SCRIPTURAL writings ----also a term referring to enlightened
humans

So if they were written 2500 to 3500 years ago, how did they know what happened 5,781 years ago?

I did not say that they were WRITTEN (as in first authored) 2500 to 3500 years ago----I said that they were compiled and redacted based on known history and other written and oral records

 

[ding]

Assuming God exists (do I always have to start off with that?) and He is perfect, I certainly see lots of imperfection in this world. I'd judge He's not living up to his potential. Would creation fall apart if there were no viruses?

Yes, God exists and he is perfect. It is always wrong and a sin to assume God doesn't exist, but here we are because of liberal, atheist, and evolutionary thinking. We even worship the science of atheism today. It is a sinful science of paganism that we put before real science. We were perfect creatures and God lived with us back then, but for Adam's sin against God he brought death into this life, two covenants, and more sin.

Does god hear you when you pray?

What is your point with this line of questioning? I already said as a child I prayed for a bicycle and got a bicycle.

Some just don't like to admit that God obviously ignores total assholes and never gives them what they want.

Life has been very good to me and Stalin died peacefully in his bed. You're either wrong about God or wrong about assholes.

You think Stalin prayed? lol he was a sociopath, just smarter than his enemy sociopaths is all. You probably would think of him ans a hero. And I'm not surprised you missed my point.

stalin was a DIVINITY STUDENT----so outstanding that the priests were convinced that he would become a PRIEST (eastern orthodox church)

So what? Lots of sociopaths who want power will infiltrate religious hierarchies; just look at all the crazy loony Rabbis running around; just read Erutz Sheva for a week, as they really enjoy reporting on them a lot.

true Josef Stalin was a top notch divinity student.
Martin Luther is considered a founder of the protestants sects------well, at least LUTHERANISM.
The murderer Constantine is a "SAINT" and then there is Pope Frank and Josef Goebbels and wife
Magda were ardent catholics. Our dear pic imagines, in his delirium, something about
seven Erutzes

Are we now supposed to cite crazy Rabbis and Jewish cult crazies for the 17th century now?

to which 17 th century are you referring-----keep
in mind----we are moving into the year 5781

What happened 5781 years ago?

the world became ENGLIGHTENED

Can you "enlighten" me as to which specific event that would have been?

of course-----it was when mankind emerged from the forests and the fields and the wilderness and
began to form actual SOCIETIES with rules of
morality and table etiquette including the washing
of ones' hands before eating and many noticed that
sacrificing infants to the moon was NOT NICE. The
first enlightenment

Did they not have a "society" when they were in the forest and the fields and the wilderness?

Or were they just all wandering around in the forest, fields and wilderness individually waiting for someone to say, hey, we need to form a society and start washing our hands and stop sacrificing infants to the moon?

And who was it that formed that first society or civilization? Because it seems to me that societies and civilizations existed before 5,781 years ago.

that depends on how you define "society" By your very loose definition-----bees and birds and apes have SOCIETIES-------and certainly elephants and Dolphins. The planet from inception of primates and thence to humans was very diverse----that which makes HUMAN SOCIETY of the enlightened type includes actual stated and SUNG IN POEM
written forms rules of morality and table etiquette.
Another issue is BREAD

I'm going off of what YOU said that 5,781 years ago they formed the first societies. So according to YOUR definition there were no societies prior to 5,781 years ago.

Did I write "FIRST SOCIETIES" ? If I did, it was a
mistake. What I should have written is first HUMAN ENLIGHTENED SOCIETIES. Keep in mind---5781 years ago is 3761 BCE

I kind of figured it was something like 3761 years before Christ.

So how do you now the societies before 3761 BC were not enlightened?

What is it that made 3761 BC so special?

 

[ding]

when was WHAT written ?

THE MAHABHARATA
and the MISHNAH Torah-

they are all writings that got compiled and redacted
and fixed up between 2500 and 3500 years ago---
based on both known history and preceding writings. A general term for such writings is SCRIPTURAL writings ----also a term referring to enlightened
humans

So if they were written 2500 to 3500 years ago, how did they know what happened 5,781 years ago?

I did not say that they were WRITTEN (as in first authored) 2500 to 3500 years ago----I said that they were compiled and redacted based on known history and other written and oral records

What other writings did they have?

Oral records? How did that work? Were they on 8 tracks or cassettes?

 

[ding]

Assuming God exists (do I always have to start off with that?) and He is perfect, I certainly see lots of imperfection in this world. I'd judge He's not living up to his potential. Would creation fall apart if there were no viruses?

Yes, God exists and he is perfect. It is always wrong and a sin to assume God doesn't exist, but here we are because of liberal, atheist, and evolutionary thinking. We even worship the science of atheism today. It is a sinful science of paganism that we put before real science. We were perfect creatures and God lived with us back then, but for Adam's sin against God he brought death into this life, two covenants, and more sin.

Does god hear you when you pray?

What is your point with this line of questioning? I already said as a child I prayed for a bicycle and got a bicycle.

Some just don't like to admit that God obviously ignores total assholes and never gives them what they want.

Life has been very good to me and Stalin died peacefully in his bed. You're either wrong about God or wrong about assholes.

You think Stalin prayed? lol he was a sociopath, just smarter than his enemy sociopaths is all. You probably would think of him ans a hero. And I'm not surprised you missed my point.

stalin was a DIVINITY STUDENT----so outstanding that the priests were convinced that he would become a PRIEST (eastern orthodox church)

So what? Lots of sociopaths who want power will infiltrate religious hierarchies; just look at all the crazy loony Rabbis running around; just read Erutz Sheva for a week, as they really enjoy reporting on them a lot.

true Josef Stalin was a top notch divinity student.
Martin Luther is considered a founder of the protestants sects------well, at least LUTHERANISM.
The murderer Constantine is a "SAINT" and then there is Pope Frank and Josef Goebbels and wife
Magda were ardent catholics. Our dear pic imagines, in his delirium, something about
seven Erutzes

Are we now supposed to cite crazy Rabbis and Jewish cult crazies for the 17th century now?

to which 17 th century are you referring-----keep
in mind----we are moving into the year 5781

What happened 5781 years ago?

the world became ENGLIGHTENED

Can you "enlighten" me as to which specific event that would have been?

of course-----it was when mankind emerged from the forests and the fields and the wilderness and
began to form actual SOCIETIES with rules of
morality and table etiquette including the washing
of ones' hands before eating and many noticed that
sacrificing infants to the moon was NOT NICE. The
first enlightenment

Did they not have a "society" when they were in the forest and the fields and the wilderness?

Or were they just all wandering around in the forest, fields and wilderness individually waiting for someone to say, hey, we need to form a society and start washing our hands and stop sacrificing infants to the moon?

And who was it that formed that first society or civilization? Because it seems to me that societies and civilizations existed before 5,781 years ago.

that depends on how you define "society" By your very loose definition-----bees and birds and apes have SOCIETIES-------and certainly elephants and Dolphins. The planet from inception of primates and thence to humans was very diverse----that which makes HUMAN SOCIETY of the enlightened type includes actual stated and SUNG IN POEM
written forms rules of morality and table etiquette.
Another issue is BREAD

I'm going off of what YOU said that 5,781 years ago they formed the first societies. So according to YOUR definition there were no societies prior to 5,781 years ago.

Did I write "FIRST SOCIETIES" ? If I did, it was a
mistake. What I should have written is first HUMAN ENLIGHTENED SOCIETIES. Keep in mind---5781 years ago is 3761 BCE

You also made a mistake when mistook Lewis Carrol for C.S. Lewis but I never got an acknowledgement from you on that mistake.

 

[irosie91]

Assuming God exists (do I always have to start off with that?) and He is perfect, I certainly see lots of imperfection in this world. I'd judge He's not living up to his potential. Would creation fall apart if there were no viruses?

Yes, God exists and he is perfect. It is always wrong and a sin to assume God doesn't exist, but here we are because of liberal, atheist, and evolutionary thinking. We even worship the science of atheism today. It is a sinful science of paganism that we put before real science. We were perfect creatures and God lived with us back then, but for Adam's sin against God he brought death into this life, two covenants, and more sin.

Does god hear you when you pray?

What is your point with this line of questioning? I already said as a child I prayed for a bicycle and got a bicycle.

Some just don't like to admit that God obviously ignores total assholes and never gives them what they want.

Life has been very good to me and Stalin died peacefully in his bed. You're either wrong about God or wrong about assholes.

You think Stalin prayed? lol he was a sociopath, just smarter than his enemy sociopaths is all. You probably would think of him ans a hero. And I'm not surprised you missed my point.

stalin was a DIVINITY STUDENT----so outstanding that the priests were convinced that he would become a PRIEST (eastern orthodox church)

So what? Lots of sociopaths who want power will infiltrate religious hierarchies; just look at all the crazy loony Rabbis running around; just read Erutz Sheva for a week, as they really enjoy reporting on them a lot.

true Josef Stalin was a top notch divinity student.
Martin Luther is considered a founder of the protestants sects------well, at least LUTHERANISM.
The murderer Constantine is a "SAINT" and then there is Pope Frank and Josef Goebbels and wife
Magda were ardent catholics. Our dear pic imagines, in his delirium, something about
seven Erutzes

Are we now supposed to cite crazy Rabbis and Jewish cult crazies for the 17th century now?

to which 17 th century are you referring-----keep
in mind----we are moving into the year 5781

What happened 5781 years ago?

the world became ENGLIGHTENED

Can you "enlighten" me as to which specific event that would have been?

of course-----it was when mankind emerged from the forests and the fields and the wilderness and
began to form actual SOCIETIES with rules of
morality and table etiquette including the washing
of ones' hands before eating and many noticed that
sacrificing infants to the moon was NOT NICE. The
first enlightenment

Did they not have a "society" when they were in the forest and the fields and the wilderness?

Or were they just all wandering around in the forest, fields and wilderness individually waiting for someone to say, hey, we need to form a society and start washing our hands and stop sacrificing infants to the moon?

And who was it that formed that first society or civilization? Because it seems to me that societies and civilizations existed before 5,781 years ago.

that depends on how you define "society" By your very loose definition-----bees and birds and apes have SOCIETIES-------and certainly elephants and Dolphins. The planet from inception of primates and thence to humans was very diverse----that which makes HUMAN SOCIETY of the enlightened type includes actual stated and SUNG IN POEM
written forms rules of morality and table etiquette.
Another issue is BREAD

I'm going off of what YOU said that 5,781 years ago they formed the first societies. So according to YOUR definition there were no societies prior to 5,781 years ago.

Did I write "FIRST SOCIETIES" ? If I did, it was a
mistake. What I should have written is first HUMAN ENLIGHTENED SOCIETIES. Keep in mind---5781 years ago is 3761 BCE

You also made a mistake when mistook Lewis Carrol for C.S. Lewis but I never got an acknowledgement from you on that mistake.

It was not exactly a MISTAKE----it was a comment on IMAGINATIVE PROSE

 

[irosie91]

when was WHAT written ?

THE MAHABHARATA
and the MISHNAH Torah-

they are all writings that got compiled and redacted
and fixed up between 2500 and 3500 years ago---
based on both known history and preceding writings. A general term for such writings is SCRIPTURAL writings ----also a term referring to enlightened
humans

So if they were written 2500 to 3500 years ago, how did they know what happened 5,781 years ago?

I did not say that they were WRITTEN (as in first authored) 2500 to 3500 years ago----I said that they were compiled and redacted based on known history and other written and oral records

What other writings did they have?

Oral records? How did that work? Were they on 8 tracks or cassettes?

memorized epic poems. Did you graduate grammar school?

 

[ding]

Assuming God exists (do I always have to start off with that?) and He is perfect, I certainly see lots of imperfection in this world. I'd judge He's not living up to his potential. Would creation fall apart if there were no viruses?

Yes, God exists and he is perfect. It is always wrong and a sin to assume God doesn't exist, but here we are because of liberal, atheist, and evolutionary thinking. We even worship the science of atheism today. It is a sinful science of paganism that we put before real science. We were perfect creatures and God lived with us back then, but for Adam's sin against God he brought death into this life, two covenants, and more sin.

Does god hear you when you pray?

What is your point with this line of questioning? I already said as a child I prayed for a bicycle and got a bicycle.

Some just don't like to admit that God obviously ignores total assholes and never gives them what they want.

Life has been very good to me and Stalin died peacefully in his bed. You're either wrong about God or wrong about assholes.

You think Stalin prayed? lol he was a sociopath, just smarter than his enemy sociopaths is all. You probably would think of him ans a hero. And I'm not surprised you missed my point.

stalin was a DIVINITY STUDENT----so outstanding that the priests were convinced that he would become a PRIEST (eastern orthodox church)

So what? Lots of sociopaths who want power will infiltrate religious hierarchies; just look at all the crazy loony Rabbis running around; just read Erutz Sheva for a week, as they really enjoy reporting on them a lot.

true Josef Stalin was a top notch divinity student.
Martin Luther is considered a founder of the protestants sects------well, at least LUTHERANISM.
The murderer Constantine is a "SAINT" and then there is Pope Frank and Josef Goebbels and wife
Magda were ardent catholics. Our dear pic imagines, in his delirium, something about
seven Erutzes

Are we now supposed to cite crazy Rabbis and Jewish cult crazies for the 17th century now?

to which 17 th century are you referring-----keep
in mind----we are moving into the year 5781

What happened 5781 years ago?

the world became ENGLIGHTENED

Can you "enlighten" me as to which specific event that would have been?

of course-----it was when mankind emerged from the forests and the fields and the wilderness and
began to form actual SOCIETIES with rules of
morality and table etiquette including the washing
of ones' hands before eating and many noticed that
sacrificing infants to the moon was NOT NICE. The
first enlightenment

Did they not have a "society" when they were in the forest and the fields and the wilderness?

Or were they just all wandering around in the forest, fields and wilderness individually waiting for someone to say, hey, we need to form a society and start washing our hands and stop sacrificing infants to the moon?

And who was it that formed that first society or civilization? Because it seems to me that societies and civilizations existed before 5,781 years ago.

that depends on how you define "society" By your very loose definition-----bees and birds and apes have SOCIETIES-------and certainly elephants and Dolphins. The planet from inception of primates and thence to humans was very diverse----that which makes HUMAN SOCIETY of the enlightened type includes actual stated and SUNG IN POEM
written forms rules of morality and table etiquette.
Another issue is BREAD

I'm going off of what YOU said that 5,781 years ago they formed the first societies. So according to YOUR definition there were no societies prior to 5,781 years ago.

Did I write "FIRST SOCIETIES" ? If I did, it was a
mistake. What I should have written is first HUMAN ENLIGHTENED SOCIETIES. Keep in mind---5781 years ago is 3761 BCE

You also made a mistake when mistook Lewis Carrol for C.S. Lewis but I never got an acknowledgement from you on that mistake.

It was not exactly a MISTAKE----it was a comment on IMAGINATIVE PROSE

Looked like a mistake to me.

 

[ding]

when was WHAT written ?

THE MAHABHARATA
and the MISHNAH Torah-

they are all writings that got compiled and redacted
and fixed up between 2500 and 3500 years ago---
based on both known history and preceding writings. A general term for such writings is SCRIPTURAL writings ----also a term referring to enlightened
humans

So if they were written 2500 to 3500 years ago, how did they know what happened 5,781 years ago?

I did not say that they were WRITTEN (as in first authored) 2500 to 3500 years ago----I said that they were compiled and redacted based on known history and other written and oral records

What other writings did they have?

Oral records? How did that work? Were they on 8 tracks or cassettes?

memorized epic poems. Did you graduate grammar school?

No. I got held back.
How many epic poems were there?
What was the approximate date of the first epic poem?

 

[ding]

I am still wondering what it was that made 3761 BC so special?

 

[irosie91]

Assuming God exists (do I always have to start off with that?) and He is perfect, I certainly see lots of imperfection in this world. I'd judge He's not living up to his potential. Would creation fall apart if there were no viruses?

Yes, God exists and he is perfect. It is always wrong and a sin to assume God doesn't exist, but here we are because of liberal, atheist, and evolutionary thinking. We even worship the science of atheism today. It is a sinful science of paganism that we put before real science. We were perfect creatures and God lived with us back then, but for Adam's sin against God he brought death into this life, two covenants, and more sin.

Does god hear you when you pray?

What is your point with this line of questioning? I already said as a child I prayed for a bicycle and got a bicycle.

Some just don't like to admit that God obviously ignores total assholes and never gives them what they want.

Life has been very good to me and Stalin died peacefully in his bed. You're either wrong about God or wrong about assholes.

You think Stalin prayed? lol he was a sociopath, just smarter than his enemy sociopaths is all. You probably would think of him ans a hero. And I'm not surprised you missed my point.

stalin was a DIVINITY STUDENT----so outstanding that the priests were convinced that he would become a PRIEST (eastern orthodox church)

So what? Lots of sociopaths who want power will infiltrate religious hierarchies; just look at all the crazy loony Rabbis running around; just read Erutz Sheva for a week, as they really enjoy reporting on them a lot.

true Josef Stalin was a top notch divinity student.
Martin Luther is considered a founder of the protestants sects------well, at least LUTHERANISM.
The murderer Constantine is a "SAINT" and then there is Pope Frank and Josef Goebbels and wife
Magda were ardent catholics. Our dear pic imagines, in his delirium, something about
seven Erutzes

Are we now supposed to cite crazy Rabbis and Jewish cult crazies for the 17th century now?

to which 17 th century are you referring-----keep
in mind----we are moving into the year 5781

What happened 5781 years ago?

the world became ENGLIGHTENED

Can you "enlighten" me as to which specific event that would have been?

of course-----it was when mankind emerged from the forests and the fields and the wilderness and
began to form actual SOCIETIES with rules of
morality and table etiquette including the washing
of ones' hands before eating and many noticed that
sacrificing infants to the moon was NOT NICE. The
first enlightenment

Did they not have a "society" when they were in the forest and the fields and the wilderness?

Or were they just all wandering around in the forest, fields and wilderness individually waiting for someone to say, hey, we need to form a society and start washing our hands and stop sacrificing infants to the moon?

And who was it that formed that first society or civilization? Because it seems to me that societies and civilizations existed before 5,781 years ago.

that depends on how you define "society" By your very loose definition-----bees and birds and apes have SOCIETIES-------and certainly elephants and Dolphins. The planet from inception of primates and thence to humans was very diverse----that which makes HUMAN SOCIETY of the enlightened type includes actual stated and SUNG IN POEM
written forms rules of morality and table etiquette.
Another issue is BREAD

I'm going off of what YOU said that 5,781 years ago they formed the first societies. So according to YOUR definition there were no societies prior to 5,781 years ago.

Did I write "FIRST SOCIETIES" ? If I did, it was a
mistake. What I should have written is first HUMAN ENLIGHTENED SOCIETIES. Keep in mind---5781 years ago is 3761 BCE

You also made a mistake when mistook Lewis Carrol for C.S. Lewis but I never got an acknowledgement from you on that mistake.

It was not exactly a MISTAKE----it was a comment on IMAGINATIVE PROSE

Looked like a mistake to me.

so? you are wrong

when was WHAT written ?

THE MAHABHARATA
and the MISHNAH Torah-

they are all writings that got compiled and redacted
and fixed up between 2500 and 3500 years ago---
based on both known history and preceding writings. A general term for such writings is SCRIPTURAL writings ----also a term referring to enlightened
humans

So if they were written 2500 to 3500 years ago, how did they know what happened 5,781 years ago?

I did not say that they were WRITTEN (as in first authored) 2500 to 3500 years ago----I said that they were compiled and redacted based on known history and other written and oral records

What other writings did they have?

Oral records? How did that work? Were they on 8 tracks or cassettes?

memorized epic poems. Did you graduate grammar school?

No. I got held back.
How many epic poems were there?
What was the approximate date of the first epic poem?

Lots of them BEOWULF was put into written form about 1000 years ago. Homer did the ODYSSEY and the ILIAD and Virgil did the AENEID ----did you make it thru junior high school? You never read the GILGAMESH? how about 1001 arabian nights?

 

[irosie91]

I am still wondering what it was that made 3761 BC so special?

It is not SPECIFICALLY special-----it is an educated guess as to WHEN THINGS BEGAN to shape up. Your question is silly. What makes December 25 "special"? ------or Feb. 14? or July 14?

 

[esalla]

Assuming God exists (do I always have to start off with that?) and He is perfect, I certainly see lots of imperfection in this world. I'd judge He's not living up to his potential. Would creation fall apart if there were no viruses?

Yes, God exists and he is perfect. It is always wrong and a sin to assume God doesn't exist, but here we are because of liberal, atheist, and evolutionary thinking. We even worship the science of atheism today. It is a sinful science of paganism that we put before real science. We were perfect creatures and God lived with us back then, but for Adam's sin against God he brought death into this life, two covenants, and more sin.

Does god hear you when you pray?

What is your point with this line of questioning? I already said as a child I prayed for a bicycle and got a bicycle.

Some just don't like to admit that God obviously ignores total assholes and never gives them what they want.

Life has been very good to me and Stalin died peacefully in his bed. You're either wrong about God or wrong about assholes.

You think Stalin prayed? lol he was a sociopath, just smarter than his enemy sociopaths is all. You probably would think of him ans a hero. And I'm not surprised you missed my point.

stalin was a DIVINITY STUDENT----so outstanding that the priests were convinced that he would become a PRIEST (eastern orthodox church)

So what? Lots of sociopaths who want power will infiltrate religious hierarchies; just look at all the crazy loony Rabbis running around; just read Erutz Sheva for a week, as they really enjoy reporting on them a lot.

true Josef Stalin was a top notch divinity student.
Martin Luther is considered a founder of the protestants sects------well, at least LUTHERANISM.
The murderer Constantine is a "SAINT" and then there is Pope Frank and Josef Goebbels and wife
Magda were ardent catholics. Our dear pic imagines, in his delirium, something about
seven Erutzes

Are we now supposed to cite crazy Rabbis and Jewish cult crazies for the 17th century now?

to which 17 th century are you referring-----keep
in mind----we are moving into the year 5781

What happened 5781 years ago?

the world became ENGLIGHTENED

Can you "enlighten" me as to which specific event that would have been?

of course-----it was when mankind emerged from the forests and the fields and the wilderness and
began to form actual SOCIETIES with rules of
morality and table etiquette including the washing
of ones' hands before eating and many noticed that
sacrificing infants to the moon was NOT NICE. The
first enlightenment

Did they not have a "society" when they were in the forest and the fields and the wilderness?

Or were they just all wandering around in the forest, fields and wilderness individually waiting for someone to say, hey, we need to form a society and start washing our hands and stop sacrificing infants to the moon?

And who was it that formed that first society or civilization? Because it seems to me that societies and civilizations existed before 5,781 years ago.

that depends on how you define "society" By your very loose definition-----bees and birds and apes have SOCIETIES-------and certainly elephants and Dolphins. The planet from inception of primates and thence to humans was very diverse----that which makes HUMAN SOCIETY of the enlightened type includes actual stated and SUNG IN POEM
written forms rules of morality and table etiquette.
Another issue is BREAD

I'm going off of what YOU said that 5,781 years ago they formed the first societies. So according to YOUR definition there were no societies prior to 5,781 years ago.

Did I write "FIRST SOCIETIES" ? If I did, it was a
mistake. What I should have written is first HUMAN ENLIGHTENED SOCIETIES. Keep in mind---5781 years ago is 3761 BCE

You also made a mistake when mistook Lewis Carrol for C.S. Lewis but I never got an acknowledgement from you on that mistake.

It was not exactly a MISTAKE----it was a comment on IMAGINATIVE PROSE

Looked like a mistake to me.

so? you are wrong

when was WHAT written ?

THE MAHABHARATA
and the MISHNAH Torah-

they are all writings that got compiled and redacted
and fixed up between 2500 and 3500 years ago---
based on both known history and preceding writings. A general term for such writings is SCRIPTURAL writings ----also a term referring to enlightened
humans

So if they were written 2500 to 3500 years ago, how did they know what happened 5,781 years ago?

I did not say that they were WRITTEN (as in first authored) 2500 to 3500 years ago----I said that they were compiled and redacted based on known history and other written and oral records

What other writings did they have?

Oral records? How did that work? Were they on 8 tracks or cassettes?

memorized epic poems. Did you graduate grammar school?

No. I got held back.
How many epic poems were there?
What was the approximate date of the first epic poem?

Lots of them BEOWULF was put into written form about 1000 years ago. Homer did the ODYSSEY and the ILIAD and Virgil did the AENEID ----did you make it thru junior high school? You never read the GILGAMESH? how about 1001 arabian nights?

Did you read all that krap?

 

[.oldschool]

I am still wondering what it was that made 3761 BC so special?

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[irosie91]

Assuming God exists (do I always have to start off with that?) and He is perfect, I certainly see lots of imperfection in this world. I'd judge He's not living up to his potential. Would creation fall apart if there were no viruses?

Yes, God exists and he is perfect. It is always wrong and a sin to assume God doesn't exist, but here we are because of liberal, atheist, and evolutionary thinking. We even worship the science of atheism today. It is a sinful science of paganism that we put before real science. We were perfect creatures and God lived with us back then, but for Adam's sin against God he brought death into this life, two covenants, and more sin.

Does god hear you when you pray?

What is your point with this line of questioning? I already said as a child I prayed for a bicycle and got a bicycle.

Some just don't like to admit that God obviously ignores total assholes and never gives them what they want.

Life has been very good to me and Stalin died peacefully in his bed. You're either wrong about God or wrong about assholes.

You think Stalin prayed? lol he was a sociopath, just smarter than his enemy sociopaths is all. You probably would think of him ans a hero. And I'm not surprised you missed my point.

stalin was a DIVINITY STUDENT----so outstanding that the priests were convinced that he would become a PRIEST (eastern orthodox church)

So what? Lots of sociopaths who want power will infiltrate religious hierarchies; just look at all the crazy loony Rabbis running around; just read Erutz Sheva for a week, as they really enjoy reporting on them a lot.

true Josef Stalin was a top notch divinity student.
Martin Luther is considered a founder of the protestants sects------well, at least LUTHERANISM.
The murderer Constantine is a "SAINT" and then there is Pope Frank and Josef Goebbels and wife
Magda were ardent catholics. Our dear pic imagines, in his delirium, something about
seven Erutzes

Are we now supposed to cite crazy Rabbis and Jewish cult crazies for the 17th century now?

to which 17 th century are you referring-----keep
in mind----we are moving into the year 5781

What happened 5781 years ago?

the world became ENGLIGHTENED

Can you "enlighten" me as to which specific event that would have been?

of course-----it was when mankind emerged from the forests and the fields and the wilderness and
began to form actual SOCIETIES with rules of
morality and table etiquette including the washing
of ones' hands before eating and many noticed that
sacrificing infants to the moon was NOT NICE. The
first enlightenment

Did they not have a "society" when they were in the forest and the fields and the wilderness?

Or were they just all wandering around in the forest, fields and wilderness individually waiting for someone to say, hey, we need to form a society and start washing our hands and stop sacrificing infants to the moon?

And who was it that formed that first society or civilization? Because it seems to me that societies and civilizations existed before 5,781 years ago.

that depends on how you define "society" By your very loose definition-----bees and birds and apes have SOCIETIES-------and certainly elephants and Dolphins. The planet from inception of primates and thence to humans was very diverse----that which makes HUMAN SOCIETY of the enlightened type includes actual stated and SUNG IN POEM
written forms rules of morality and table etiquette.
Another issue is BREAD

I'm going off of what YOU said that 5,781 years ago they formed the first societies. So according to YOUR definition there were no societies prior to 5,781 years ago.

Did I write "FIRST SOCIETIES" ? If I did, it was a
mistake. What I should have written is first HUMAN ENLIGHTENED SOCIETIES. Keep in mind---5781 years ago is 3761 BCE

You also made a mistake when mistook Lewis Carrol for C.S. Lewis but I never got an acknowledgement from you on that mistake.

It was not exactly a MISTAKE----it was a comment on IMAGINATIVE PROSE

Looked like a mistake to me.

so? you are wrong

when was WHAT written ?

THE MAHABHARATA
and the MISHNAH Torah-

they are all writings that got compiled and redacted
and fixed up between 2500 and 3500 years ago---
based on both known history and preceding writings. A general term for such writings is SCRIPTURAL writings ----also a term referring to enlightened
humans

So if they were written 2500 to 3500 years ago, how did they know what happened 5,781 years ago?

I did not say that they were WRITTEN (as in first authored) 2500 to 3500 years ago----I said that they were compiled and redacted based on known history and other written and oral records

What other writings did they have?

Oral records? How did that work? Were they on 8 tracks or cassettes?

memorized epic poems. Did you graduate grammar school?

No. I got held back.
How many epic poems were there?
What was the approximate date of the first epic poem?

Lots of them BEOWULF was put into written form about 1000 years ago. Homer did the ODYSSEY and the ILIAD and Virgil did the AENEID ----did you make it thru junior high school? You never read the GILGAMESH? how about 1001 arabian nights?

Did you read all that krap?

as a kid, I was a really AVID reader---I read whatever fell into my hands ----lots of superman comics too---and actually read the books assigned in school---because I liked to read. Now I sit on the PC and hang around in here

 

[esalla]

Assuming God exists (do I always have to start off with that?) and He is perfect, I certainly see lots of imperfection in this world. I'd judge He's not living up to his potential. Would creation fall apart if there were no viruses?

Yes, God exists and he is perfect. It is always wrong and a sin to assume God doesn't exist, but here we are because of liberal, atheist, and evolutionary thinking. We even worship the science of atheism today. It is a sinful science of paganism that we put before real science. We were perfect creatures and God lived with us back then, but for Adam's sin against God he brought death into this life, two covenants, and more sin.

Does god hear you when you pray?

What is your point with this line of questioning? I already said as a child I prayed for a bicycle and got a bicycle.

Some just don't like to admit that God obviously ignores total assholes and never gives them what they want.

Life has been very good to me and Stalin died peacefully in his bed. You're either wrong about God or wrong about assholes.

You think Stalin prayed? lol he was a sociopath, just smarter than his enemy sociopaths is all. You probably would think of him ans a hero. And I'm not surprised you missed my point.

stalin was a DIVINITY STUDENT----so outstanding that the priests were convinced that he would become a PRIEST (eastern orthodox church)

So what? Lots of sociopaths who want power will infiltrate religious hierarchies; just look at all the crazy loony Rabbis running around; just read Erutz Sheva for a week, as they really enjoy reporting on them a lot.

true Josef Stalin was a top notch divinity student.
Martin Luther is considered a founder of the protestants sects------well, at least LUTHERANISM.
The murderer Constantine is a "SAINT" and then there is Pope Frank and Josef Goebbels and wife
Magda were ardent catholics. Our dear pic imagines, in his delirium, something about
seven Erutzes

Are we now supposed to cite crazy Rabbis and Jewish cult crazies for the 17th century now?

to which 17 th century are you referring-----keep
in mind----we are moving into the year 5781

What happened 5781 years ago?

the world became ENGLIGHTENED

Can you "enlighten" me as to which specific event that would have been?

of course-----it was when mankind emerged from the forests and the fields and the wilderness and
began to form actual SOCIETIES with rules of
morality and table etiquette including the washing
of ones' hands before eating and many noticed that
sacrificing infants to the moon was NOT NICE. The
first enlightenment

Did they not have a "society" when they were in the forest and the fields and the wilderness?

Or were they just all wandering around in the forest, fields and wilderness individually waiting for someone to say, hey, we need to form a society and start washing our hands and stop sacrificing infants to the moon?

And who was it that formed that first society or civilization? Because it seems to me that societies and civilizations existed before 5,781 years ago.

that depends on how you define "society" By your very loose definition-----bees and birds and apes have SOCIETIES-------and certainly elephants and Dolphins. The planet from inception of primates and thence to humans was very diverse----that which makes HUMAN SOCIETY of the enlightened type includes actual stated and SUNG IN POEM
written forms rules of morality and table etiquette.
Another issue is BREAD

I'm going off of what YOU said that 5,781 years ago they formed the first societies. So according to YOUR definition there were no societies prior to 5,781 years ago.

Did I write "FIRST SOCIETIES" ? If I did, it was a
mistake. What I should have written is first HUMAN ENLIGHTENED SOCIETIES. Keep in mind---5781 years ago is 3761 BCE

You also made a mistake when mistook Lewis Carrol for C.S. Lewis but I never got an acknowledgement from you on that mistake.

It was not exactly a MISTAKE----it was a comment on IMAGINATIVE PROSE

Looked like a mistake to me.

so? you are wrong

when was WHAT written ?

THE MAHABHARATA
and the MISHNAH Torah-

they are all writings that got compiled and redacted
and fixed up between 2500 and 3500 years ago---
based on both known history and preceding writings. A general term for such writings is SCRIPTURAL writings ----also a term referring to enlightened
humans

So if they were written 2500 to 3500 years ago, how did they know what happened 5,781 years ago?

I did not say that they were WRITTEN (as in first authored) 2500 to 3500 years ago----I said that they were compiled and redacted based on known history and other written and oral records

What other writings did they have?

Oral records? How did that work? Were they on 8 tracks or cassettes?

memorized epic poems. Did you graduate grammar school?

No. I got held back.
How many epic poems were there?
What was the approximate date of the first epic poem?

Lots of them BEOWULF was put into written form about 1000 years ago. Homer did the ODYSSEY and the ILIAD and Virgil did the AENEID ----did you make it thru junior high school? You never read the GILGAMESH? how about 1001 arabian nights?

Did you read all that krap?

as a kid, I was a really AVID reader---I read whatever fell into my hands ----lots of superman comics too---and actually read the books assigned in school---because I liked to read. Now I sit on the PC and hang around in here

I prefer quantum computing articles, reading became fun for me once I was out of school and could choose what to read

Gildamesh is a worthless waste of time so is homeys horse fable

 

[irosie91]

Assuming God exists (do I always have to start off with that?) and He is perfect, I certainly see lots of imperfection in this world. I'd judge He's not living up to his potential. Would creation fall apart if there were no viruses?

Yes, God exists and he is perfect. It is always wrong and a sin to assume God doesn't exist, but here we are because of liberal, atheist, and evolutionary thinking. We even worship the science of atheism today. It is a sinful science of paganism that we put before real science. We were perfect creatures and God lived with us back then, but for Adam's sin against God he brought death into this life, two covenants, and more sin.

Does god hear you when you pray?

What is your point with this line of questioning? I already said as a child I prayed for a bicycle and got a bicycle.

Some just don't like to admit that God obviously ignores total assholes and never gives them what they want.

Life has been very good to me and Stalin died peacefully in his bed. You're either wrong about God or wrong about assholes.

You think Stalin prayed? lol he was a sociopath, just smarter than his enemy sociopaths is all. You probably would think of him ans a hero. And I'm not surprised you missed my point.

stalin was a DIVINITY STUDENT----so outstanding that the priests were convinced that he would become a PRIEST (eastern orthodox church)

So what? Lots of sociopaths who want power will infiltrate religious hierarchies; just look at all the crazy loony Rabbis running around; just read Erutz Sheva for a week, as they really enjoy reporting on them a lot.

true Josef Stalin was a top notch divinity student.
Martin Luther is considered a founder of the protestants sects------well, at least LUTHERANISM.
The murderer Constantine is a "SAINT" and then there is Pope Frank and Josef Goebbels and wife
Magda were ardent catholics. Our dear pic imagines, in his delirium, something about
seven Erutzes

Are we now supposed to cite crazy Rabbis and Jewish cult crazies for the 17th century now?

to which 17 th century are you referring-----keep
in mind----we are moving into the year 5781

What happened 5781 years ago?

the world became ENGLIGHTENED

Can you "enlighten" me as to which specific event that would have been?

of course-----it was when mankind emerged from the forests and the fields and the wilderness and
began to form actual SOCIETIES with rules of
morality and table etiquette including the washing
of ones' hands before eating and many noticed that
sacrificing infants to the moon was NOT NICE. The
first enlightenment

Did they not have a "society" when they were in the forest and the fields and the wilderness?

Or were they just all wandering around in the forest, fields and wilderness individually waiting for someone to say, hey, we need to form a society and start washing our hands and stop sacrificing infants to the moon?

And who was it that formed that first society or civilization? Because it seems to me that societies and civilizations existed before 5,781 years ago.

that depends on how you define "society" By your very loose definition-----bees and birds and apes have SOCIETIES-------and certainly elephants and Dolphins. The planet from inception of primates and thence to humans was very diverse----that which makes HUMAN SOCIETY of the enlightened type includes actual stated and SUNG IN POEM
written forms rules of morality and table etiquette.
Another issue is BREAD

I'm going off of what YOU said that 5,781 years ago they formed the first societies. So according to YOUR definition there were no societies prior to 5,781 years ago.

Did I write "FIRST SOCIETIES" ? If I did, it was a
mistake. What I should have written is first HUMAN ENLIGHTENED SOCIETIES. Keep in mind---5781 years ago is 3761 BCE

You also made a mistake when mistook Lewis Carrol for C.S. Lewis but I never got an acknowledgement from you on that mistake.

It was not exactly a MISTAKE----it was a comment on IMAGINATIVE PROSE

Looked like a mistake to me.

so? you are wrong

when was WHAT written ?

THE MAHABHARATA
and the MISHNAH Torah-

they are all writings that got compiled and redacted
and fixed up between 2500 and 3500 years ago---
based on both known history and preceding writings. A general term for such writings is SCRIPTURAL writings ----also a term referring to enlightened
humans

So if they were written 2500 to 3500 years ago, how did they know what happened 5,781 years ago?

I did not say that they were WRITTEN (as in first authored) 2500 to 3500 years ago----I said that they were compiled and redacted based on known history and other written and oral records

What other writings did they have?

Oral records? How did that work? Were they on 8 tracks or cassettes?

memorized epic poems. Did you graduate grammar school?

No. I got held back.
How many epic poems were there?
What was the approximate date of the first epic poem?

Lots of them BEOWULF was put into written form about 1000 years ago. Homer did the ODYSSEY and the ILIAD and Virgil did the AENEID ----did you make it thru junior high school? You never read the GILGAMESH? how about 1001 arabian nights?

Did you read all that krap?

as a kid, I was a really AVID reader---I read whatever fell into my hands ----lots of superman comics too---and actually read the books assigned in school---because I liked to read. Now I sit on the PC and hang around in here

I prefer quantum computing articles, reading became fun for me once I was out of school and could choose what to read

Gildamesh is a worthless waste of time so is homeys horse fable

yeah----well-----I am one of 5 sibs----then there are
the techs---astro physics, engineering (computer type) and even the two MD's do not like fiction. I am the GIRL fantasy lover