How Is Ayn Rand Still A Thing?

[rightwinger]

Rand wanted a society where the workers were compliant. She feared a society where the average man would use his vote to demand a bigger piece of the pie. She envisioned a society where capitalists are unchecked by a pesky government and workers do as they are told...or else

No wonder Republicans love her

 

[Justin Davis]

I think you have to be pretty simple minded to take her seriously.

The metaphysics and epistemology of Objectivism are the obvious asserted as things that are profound, followed by utterly inane non sequiturs.

 

[mamooth]

John Galt was a genocidal sociopath. He deliberately set the world ablaze and killed millions ... because his feewings had been hurt.

If someone admires John Galt, then that person must possess a strong streak of sociopathy themselves. Normal healthy humans don't admire men who kill millions in a temper tantrum. Grownups understand how we don't always get to do what we want, and that's just life. Sometimes I am the boss of you, and sometimes you are the boss of me. Perpetual adolescents have trouble dealing with that reality.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Reality =

Social Justice and Progressive Tax Rates !!!!

Lean Forward Comrades !!!!!! Lmfao

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

You two never read the book did ya'?

"Atlas Shrugged".

I read that as well as "The Fountainhead", "We the Living" and "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology" and "The Voice of Reason". As a woman I liked that she had Dagny and Dominique out their kicking white men's asses in her fiction but you can only extract so much from her philosophy and put it into practice. And it's very cool that she was a fire-breathing atheist, too.

 

[Flopper]

For so called conservatives to worship a Soviet atheist who espoused feminism and abortion rights makes perfect sense.

But she hated poor people so that evens everything out

I think so called conservatives really relate to Ayn Rand's intense self loathing.

I think they relate more to her distinctions between the workers and the capitalists and how we must stroke the capitalists or else

It's hard to understand how Christian conservatives can stomach the party's fascination with a morally bankrupt, bisexual, atheist who detested family values and those who supported them.

"If [people] place such things as friendship and family ties above their own productive work, yes, then they are immoral. Friendship, family life and human relationships are not primary in a man’s life. A man who places others first, above his own creative work, is an emotional parasite.” - Ayn Rand

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

John Galt was a genocidal sociopath. He deliberately set the world ablaze and killed millions ... because his feewings had been hurt.

If someone admires John Galt, then that person must possess a strong streak of sociopathy themselves. Normal healthy humans don't admire men who kill millions in a temper tantrum. Grownups understand how we don't always get to do what we want, and that's just life. Sometimes I am the boss of you, and sometimes you are the boss of me. Perpetual adolescents have trouble dealing with that reality.

You mean like the politicians Americans continually reelect every cycle?

 

[rightwinger]

John Galt was a genocidal sociopath. He deliberately set the world ablaze and killed millions ... because his feewings had been hurt.

If someone admires John Galt, then that person must possess a strong streak of sociopathy themselves. Normal healthy humans don't admire men who kill millions in a temper tantrum. Grownups understand how we don't always get to do what we want, and that's just life. Sometimes I am the boss of you, and sometimes you are the boss of me. Perpetual adolescents have trouble dealing with that reality.

You mean like the politicians Americans continually reelect every cycle?

?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

John Galt was a genocidal sociopath. He deliberately set the world ablaze and killed millions ... because his feewings had been hurt.

If someone admires John Galt, then that person must possess a strong streak of sociopathy themselves. Normal healthy humans don't admire men who kill millions in a temper tantrum. Grownups understand how we don't always get to do what we want, and that's just life. Sometimes I am the boss of you, and sometimes you are the boss of me. Perpetual adolescents have trouble dealing with that reality.

You mean like the politicians Americans continually reelect every cycle?

?

American politicians, especially presidents, e.g. Obama and Bush, are responsible for the murder of at least hundreds of thousands of innocent people around the globe, and that's excluding the murderous rampages of previous presidents like Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, etc... The Representatives and Senators who vote to support these murderous escapades are at least guilty of aiding and abetting in murder. Yet "normal healthy humans" turn around and admire and vote for these people time and again.

 

[HenryBHough]

If only 10% of those who know "John Galt" got it right were to down tools for 48 hours America would be paralyzed.

Now, how might that NOT be a good thing?

 

[rightwinger]

John Galt was a genocidal sociopath. He deliberately set the world ablaze and killed millions ... because his feewings had been hurt.

If someone admires John Galt, then that person must possess a strong streak of sociopathy themselves. Normal healthy humans don't admire men who kill millions in a temper tantrum. Grownups understand how we don't always get to do what we want, and that's just life. Sometimes I am the boss of you, and sometimes you are the boss of me. Perpetual adolescents have trouble dealing with that reality.

You mean like the politicians Americans continually reelect every cycle?

?

American politicians, especially presidents, e.g. Obama and Bush, are responsible for the murder of at least hundreds of thousands of innocent people around the globe, and that's excluding the murderous rampages of previous presidents like Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, etc... The Representatives and Senators who vote to support these murderous escapades are at least guilty of aiding and abetting in murder. Yet "normal healthy humans" turn around and admire and vote for these people time and again.

Hundreds of thousands?

Are you sure you don't mean hundreds of billions?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

John Galt was a genocidal sociopath. He deliberately set the world ablaze and killed millions ... because his feewings had been hurt.

If someone admires John Galt, then that person must possess a strong streak of sociopathy themselves. Normal healthy humans don't admire men who kill millions in a temper tantrum. Grownups understand how we don't always get to do what we want, and that's just life. Sometimes I am the boss of you, and sometimes you are the boss of me. Perpetual adolescents have trouble dealing with that reality.

You mean like the politicians Americans continually reelect every cycle?

?

American politicians, especially presidents, e.g. Obama and Bush, are responsible for the murder of at least hundreds of thousands of innocent people around the globe, and that's excluding the murderous rampages of previous presidents like Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, etc... The Representatives and Senators who vote to support these murderous escapades are at least guilty of aiding and abetting in murder. Yet "normal healthy humans" turn around and admire and vote for these people time and again.

Hundreds of thousands?

Are you sure you don't mean hundreds of billions?

Like I said, I limited myself to Bush II and Obama's murders.

 

[eflatminor]

And that is exactly why free market capitalism can't work. Initially competition would flourish. Without government regulation, the larger would devour the smaller. Large corporations would pressure the government for regulations favorable to their interest. The public and small businesses would pressure the government for regulation favorable to their interest. The result would regulated capitalism.

And that is exactly why free market capitalism can't work. This ought to be good... Initially competition would flourish. Show me one market example outside of a government imposed monopoly where competition doesn't exist. Without government regulation, the larger would devour the smaller. Only if customers making voluntary choices choose to give their money to that larger entity. Large corporations would pressure the government for regulations favorable to their interest. A big government problem...thanks for making our point! ONLY politicians meddling outside the enumerated powers of the Constitution could possibly pass regulations favorable to any particular interest. Again, the problem is government. The public and small businesses would pressure the government for regulation favorable to their interest. You like all this cronyism? If not, stop supporting meddlers. The result would regulated capitalism Again, a problem caused by government, not capitalism and CERTAINLY not free markets.

Try again?

 

[HenryBHough]

In many New England smaller communities there are public offices going unfilled because nobody's willing to put up with the bullshit that comes with running. Sort like a public sector John Galt-ism.

Now watch the indolent demand lists, names and links.

Please include your mailing address with your demands so I can mail you my rate card.

 

[ricechickie]

In many New England smaller communities there are public offices going unfilled because nobody's willing to put up with the bullshit that comes with running. Sort like a public sector John Galt-ism.

Now watch the indolent demand lists, names and links.

Please include your mailing address with your demands so I can mail you my rate card.

It's cute that someone asking for actual facts to support your assertion are considered "indolent" in your book.

How about instead of that, I just tell you that I don't give a crap?

 

[Flopper]

And that is exactly why free market capitalism can't work. Initially competition would flourish. Without government regulation, the larger would devour the smaller. Large corporations would pressure the government for regulations favorable to their interest. The public and small businesses would pressure the government for regulation favorable to their interest. The result would regulated capitalism.

And that is exactly why free market capitalism can't work. This ought to be good... Initially competition would flourish. Show me one market example outside of a government imposed monopoly where competition doesn't exist. Without government regulation, the larger would devour the smaller. Only if customers making voluntary choices choose to give their money to that larger entity. Large corporations would pressure the government for regulations favorable to their interest. A big government problem...thanks for making our point! ONLY politicians meddling outside the enumerated powers of the Constitution could possibly pass regulations favorable to any particular interest. Again, the problem is government. The public and small businesses would pressure the government for regulation favorable to their interest. You like all this cronyism? If not, stop supporting meddlers. The result would regulated capitalism Again, a problem caused by government, not capitalism and CERTAINLY not free markets.

Try again?

Your argument is based on the way you think government and consumers should act, not the way they do. You think customers are going to start giving their money to small businesses in lieu of the corporate giants and politicians are going to stop pandering to big business and special interest groups. We have regulated capitalism because people demand it. Businesses do not regulate themselves at the sacrifice of profits.

 

[eflatminor]

And that is exactly why free market capitalism can't work. Initially competition would flourish. Without government regulation, the larger would devour the smaller. Large corporations would pressure the government for regulations favorable to their interest. The public and small businesses would pressure the government for regulation favorable to their interest. The result would regulated capitalism.

And that is exactly why free market capitalism can't work. This ought to be good... Initially competition would flourish. Show me one market example outside of a government imposed monopoly where competition doesn't exist. Without government regulation, the larger would devour the smaller. Only if customers making voluntary choices choose to give their money to that larger entity. Large corporations would pressure the government for regulations favorable to their interest. A big government problem...thanks for making our point! ONLY politicians meddling outside the enumerated powers of the Constitution could possibly pass regulations favorable to any particular interest. Again, the problem is government. The public and small businesses would pressure the government for regulation favorable to their interest. You like all this cronyism? If not, stop supporting meddlers. The result would regulated capitalism Again, a problem caused by government, not capitalism and CERTAINLY not free markets.

Try again?

Your argument is based on the way you think government and consumers should act, not the way they do. You think customers are going to start giving their money to small businesses in lieu of the corporate giants and politicians are going to stop pandering to big business and special interest groups. We have regulated capitalism because people demand it. Businesses do not regulate themselves at the sacrifice of profits.

Your argument is based on the way you think government and consumers should act, not the way they do. So, you CAN'T show me one market example outside of a government imposed monopoly where competition doesn't exist. Not looking good for you! You think customers are going to start giving their money to small businesses in lieu of the corporate giants Again, show me one corporate giant that doesn't have competition. Further, show me one corporate giant that doesn't win the money of its customers on a voluntary basis. and politicians are going to stop pandering to big business and special interest groups Only politicians meddling outside of their enumerated powers...you know, the guys YOU support. We have regulated capitalism because people demand it. No, collectivist demand it. They're not really people, but sheeple. Businesses do not regulate themselves at the sacrifice of profits Never said they did. Markets, make up of free people making voluntary decisions regulate markets. If the business does not serve the people, people shop elsewhere...except where their choice is limited by government.

God you're a full on gov-bot, aren't you?

 

[Synthaholic]

Actually you did.

Nope. And I know you're smart enough to know the difference, so either you have not gone back and re-read it, or you're being dishonest.

Wow. That's delusional.

You said that seeing no role for the state, which was my stated position, was delusional. The only logical conclusion to be drawn from that comment is that because I hold that position I must be delusional in your mind.

Let me clarify for you, since you refuse to do so for yourself:

I think that particular position is delusional. I don't think you are delusional.

I hold that position, so what other conclusion can be drawn?

Regardless, semantic games aren't all that interesting, but if you're insisting on not insulting me then that's more than most people on the board would do and I appreciate it.

It's still a delusional position.

 

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[Synthaholic]

Show me one market example outside of a government imposed monopoly where competition doesn't exist.

Internet access
Cable TV access

There's two.