What has the Iran war achieved, or more importantly, what was lost because of it?

[otto105]

Has anyone given any thought to the possibility the reason Iran has seemingly agreed to not pursue a nuclear bomb, a pursuit they were no longer able to achieve after signing the JCPOA (until trump blew it up), is they don't need one in order to possess a deterrent against future attacks? After all, they have the Strait.

Best post in thread.

 

[berg80]

Best post in thread.

Thanks for the compliment.

 

[Luckyone]

I will continue to pay higher gas prices and taxes for his bigliest bestest deal ever.

How was it the biggest deal. Explain and give details of it!

 

[Zincwarrior]

How was it the biggest deal. Explain and give details of it!

The bigliest! I know we have to screw Gen X and raise the retirement age again but Iran and the military need that money!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“What has the Iran war achieved?”

It’s given Iran the advantage and $300 billion in reparations.

“What was lost because of it?”

America’s dignity and standing in the world.

 

[Luckyone]

The bigliest! I know we have to screw Gen X and raise the retirement age again but Iran and the military need that money!

You have answered the question!!!!

If you want to be heard and believed, prove your words with data statistics and facts!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Has anyone given any thought to the possibility the reason Iran has seemingly agreed to not pursue a nuclear bomb, a pursuit they were no longer able to achieve after signing the JCPOA (until trump blew it up), is they don't need one in order to possess a deterrent against future attacks? After all, they have the Strait.

True.

And has anyone given any thought to the fact that Iran wouldn’t have the Strait as a strategic weapon had Trump not started his failed, illegal war of choice.

 

[eagle7-31]

What has the Iran war achieved, or more importantly, what was lost because of it?

1) the waterway was already open before the US carried out strikes on Iran. Tehran closed it in response to being attacked, and then the US initiated its own blockade of Iranian ports near the waterway.
2) About a fifth of the world's energy supplies typically flow through the strait. The closure rocked global energy markets and sent prices skyrocketing, with some countries announcing price caps and rationing measures. In the US, petrol prices reached near record highs.
3) The closure also led to Trump lashing out at Nato, further alienating allies after they declined to support US efforts to reopen the waterway.
4) Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was killed in the initial salvo of strikes, along with other top officials, but the regime never collapsed and his son has taken over as titular leader.
5) According to the US, the conflict destroyed much of Iran's military might, with the Pentagon claiming 90 per cent of its navy as well as its weapons factories and defence industrial base had been eliminated. This is a hard claim to back up, however, and some US media outlets have reported that Iran was beginning to rebuild at a faster rate than anticipated.
6) The war has put a major dent in American defense stockpiles, with one analysis by the Centre for Strategic and International Studies saying the US may have used more than half of its prewar weapons stocks.
7) The Pentagon has touted new efforts to build up the defense industrial base - and has asked Congress for a whopping $1.5 trillion budget for the next fiscal year.
8) The US has also said that the strikes on Iran have severely restricted its ability to support its proxy groups throughout the Middle East.
9) The Iran war has also illustrated that the US is unable - or unwilling - to rein in Israel, which also continues to violate the ceasefire in Gaza.
10) Back in the US, the war has become a major factor in a growing split in Trump's base. Popular support for the war continues to decline, with a recent PBS/NPR/Marist poll showing that 22 per cent of Republicans disapprove, up from 15 per cent in March.

In addition:

Here's how much the Iran war cost — and how its effects will linger​

11) Moody's Analytics estimates the war has cost U.S. consumers and taxpayers about $132 billion so far, and the meter is still running.
12) The most visible piece of that cost is higher energy prices, resulting from the near shutdown of the Strait of Hormuz. Gasoline prices, which averaged just under $3 a gallon when the war began, soared as high as $4.56 a gallon

Now, to the big question on why we bombed Iran this February:



and how much of this was true?

Did Iran's Nuclear and Missile Programs Pose an Imminent Threat? No.​

Assessing Trump’s Claims on Iran’s Nuclear and Missile Capabilities​

Daryl G. Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association, a nonpartisan organization that provides analysis on arms control and national security issues, told us that “it is clear that it would take Iran years to fully rebuild its enrichment plants” that were bombed in June 2025. “It is possible that Iran may have a very small number of operational centrifuges somewhere undisclosed,” Kimball said. “But it would still take months for a smaller number of centrifuges to accomplish what thousands of centrifuges at these major facilities could’ve done,” which would be to enrich small amounts of uranium to weapons-grade level and then turn it into metal to be used for a weapon. “It would take longer to fashion a nuclear explosive device.”

So now the question of the OP, was this bombing of Iran a win or a loss for us?

I am waiting for the other shoe to drop.

 

[MarathonMike]

All of the Trump Haters demand instant gratification. There is much yet to play out and there is a very real possibility of resumed military action.

 

[22lcidw]

Iran had over 400 kilos of 60 percent enriched uranium before the Epstein Diversion War. Thanks to Trump tearing up the JCPOA.

And they still do.

They cannot get to it though as it is buried deep. Real deep. However, it may still exist and inside their territory.

 

[otto105]

All of the Trump Haters demand instant gratification. There is much yet to play out and there is a very real possibility of resumed military action.

Haven’t we been told that he’s the greatest negotiator ever?

Where is the example in that considering the memorandum of understanding?

 

[g5000]

They cannot get to it though as it is buried deep. Real deep.

And how did Iran put it that deep in the first place?

Hmmm...

 

[Luckyone]

True.

And has anyone given any thought to the fact that Iran wouldn’t have the Strait as a strategic weapon had Trump not started his failed, illegal war of choice.

They always had it, BUT had not “recognized” what a huge tool it was

 

[Chuz Life]

They always had it, BUT had not “recognized” what a huge tool it was

A tool that, when used, will only unify their enemies and the U.S. will not have to go it alone after that.

 

[berg80]

The Costs of the Iran War: Thousands of Lives and Billions of Dollars​

More than 3,000 Iranians were reported to have been killed in the conflict. Israel says 26 Israelis have been killed. Thousands of people in both countries have been injured.
The U.S. military says 13 of its members have been killed.

Israel renewed attacks on Lebanon on March 18 as part of the wider war, and about 3,700 people have been killed there, according to Lebanon’s health ministry. Strikes, mainly by Iran, have also killed people across the Middle East, including workers from South Asian countries in the Persian Gulf.

The U.S. military killed three Indian civilian sailors in a strike on a commercial ship near Oman, raising tensions between the United States and India. In the deadliest known civilian casualty incident, a U.S. missile strike demolished an Iranian school, killing at least 175 people on the first day of the war, according to Iranian officials.

For U.S. taxpayers and consumers, the cost of the war is at least $132 billion, according to an estimate by Moody’s Analytics. That factors in military spending, rising energy and commodity prices and interest rates, said Mark Zandi, the company’s chief economist.

A top Pentagon official told Congress last month that the cost had risen to around $29 billion for the military. That estimate did not include the price of repairing more than a dozen U.S. bases in the region damaged by Iranian attacks.

The costs of repair and maintenance, as well as keeping carrier strike groups at sea, also need to be factored in. “It costs a lot of money to just keep everyone and all this apparatus deployed there,” said Linda Bilmes, a public finance expert and senior lecturer at the Harvard Kennedy School.

Iran also severely damaged other U.S. assets in the region, including a valuable military radar jet on a tarmac in Saudi Arabia and the U.S. Embassy compound in Riyadh.

The Costs of the Iran War: Thousands of Lives and Billions of Dollars

The human toll and economic costs mounted rapidly after the United States and Israel attacked Iran on Feb. 28.

www.nytimes.com

This calamity exceeds the damage from the bungled withdrawal in Afghanistan by a factor of 100.

 

[ColonelAngus]

The Costs of the Iran War: Thousands of Lives and Billions of Dollars​

More than 3,000 Iranians were reported to have been killed in the conflict. Israel says 26 Israelis have been killed. Thousands of people in both countries have been injured.
The U.S. military says 13 of its members have been killed.

Israel renewed attacks on Lebanon on March 18 as part of the wider war, and about 3,700 people have been killed there, according to Lebanon’s health ministry. Strikes, mainly by Iran, have also killed people across the Middle East, including workers from South Asian countries in the Persian Gulf.

The U.S. military killed three Indian civilian sailors in a strike on a commercial ship near Oman, raising tensions between the United States and India. In the deadliest known civilian casualty incident, a U.S. missile strike demolished an Iranian school, killing at least 175 people on the first day of the war, according to Iranian officials.

For U.S. taxpayers and consumers, the cost of the war is at least $132 billion, according to an estimate by Moody’s Analytics. That factors in military spending, rising energy and commodity prices and interest rates, said Mark Zandi, the company’s chief economist.

A top Pentagon official told Congress last month that the cost had risen to around $29 billion for the military. That estimate did not include the price of repairing more than a dozen U.S. bases in the region damaged by Iranian attacks.

The costs of repair and maintenance, as well as keeping carrier strike groups at sea, also need to be factored in. “It costs a lot of money to just keep everyone and all this apparatus deployed there,” said Linda Bilmes, a public finance expert and senior lecturer at the Harvard Kennedy School.

Iran also severely damaged other U.S. assets in the region, including a valuable military radar jet on a tarmac in Saudi Arabia and the U.S. Embassy compound in Riyadh.

The Costs of the Iran War: Thousands of Lives and Billions of Dollars

The human toll and economic costs mounted rapidly after the United States and Israel attacked Iran on Feb. 28.

www.nytimes.com

This calamity exceeds the damage from the bungled withdrawal in Afghanistan by a factor of 100.

War costs lives and money?

Thanks for the incredible insight.

You guys now admit the Afghanistan withdrawal was bungled? What was the exact day you changed that narrative?

 

[berg80]

“What has the Iran war achieved?”

It’s given Iran the advantage and $300 billion in reparations.

“What was lost because of it?”

America’s dignity and standing in the world.

After trump's re-election and the unrelenting damage and embarrassment he has inflicted on us I'm not sure there was any dignity left to lose.

 

[Senior]

War costs lives and money?

Thanks for the incredible insight.

You guys now admit the Afghanistan withdrawal was bungled? What was the exact day you changed that narrative?

The day Trump signed his surrender terms with the Taliban leadership and he released 5,000 captured Taliban fighters, effectively handing President-elect Joe Biden a shit sandwhich to choke on. In attempting to lay all of the blame for the withdrawal's aftermath at the feet of Joe Biden (and then Kamala Harris), Republicans rarely mention Trump's role in negotiating the disasterous withdrawal plan. While the withdrawal was taking place, the Republican National Committee scrubbed its website of content that previously praised the former president's "historic peace agreement with the Taliban."

 

[ColonelAngus]

China gets alot of cheap oil from Iran. This war has impacted China significantly, probably pushed them back economically 5-10 years.

We took back Venezuela oil extraction and refinement infrastructure.
We isolated Cuba.
We blew up criminal narco boats headed to the USA.
Securing Panama.
Destabilizing OPEC.

The USA IS NOW ONE OF THE LARGEST OIL EXPORTERS IN THE WORLD.

Seems obvious to me there is a much larger global strategy by the admin other than “TRUMP ATTACKED IRAN FOR NO REASON.”

TDS buttholes cry about algae in the Reflecting Pool. ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN TO DC KNOWS IT HAS BEEN FULL OF WEEDS AND ALGAE AND TRASH FOR DECADES! YOU NEVER SAID A DAMN THING,

 

[berg80]

The day Trump signed his surrender terms with the Taliban leadership and he released 5,000 captured Taliban fighters, effectively handing President-elect Joe Biden a shit sandwhich to choke on. In attempting to lay all of the blame for the withdrawal's aftermath at the feet of Joe Biden (and then Kamala Harris), Republicans rarely mention Trump's role in negotiating the disasterous withdrawal plan. While the withdrawal was taking place, the Republican National Committee scrubbed its website of content that previously praised the former president's "historic peace agreement with the Taliban."

Revisionist history is one of the R's favorite pursuits. It began in earnest after the whitewashing of the Reagan years, turning the tenure of a bumbling B actor in to one deserving of praise. But trumples have taken it to another level.