spillmind
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or even helped us get anywhere AHEAD of where we were going into this 'liberation' and now 'occupation'? are there less terrorists that hate the US now? is there now less of a threat of terror on the homefront?
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Originally posted by spillmind
or even helped us get anywhere AHEAD of where we were going into this 'liberation' and now 'occupation'? are there less terrorists that hate the US now? is there now less of a threat of terror on the homefront?
oh? how many muslim friend do you have?you can't win the war on terror because the koran and hadith are breeding grounds for violence and as long as we ignore that fact people will continue to die.
Originally posted by spillmind
oh? how many muslim friend do you have?
i'm PROUD to say that i know many of them, and as far as i know, they ARE MY FRIENDS and don't want to see me dead. funny how they are muslim, and yet i don't see any reason to fear them!
i think you need to fear ANY EXTREME faction of ANY RELIGION, not just islam.
when's the last time you read the koran, anyway?
i have read the koran and hadith you obviously haven't or you would remeber in the koran it says- take not christians and jews as friends.or how about the fact mohammed was a rapist,pedophile,had his followers assassinate those who disagree with him,robbed caravans,tortured prisoners and killed or enslaved entire cities through the jiyaz tax up to 50%
pick the point that you can actually respond to, and run with it, man! (never mind my other questions, right?)i have read the koran and hadith you obviously haven't or you would remeber in the koran it says- take not christians and jews as friends.or how about the fact mohammed was a rapist,pedophile,had his followers assassinate those who disagree with him,robbed caravans,tortured prisoners and killed or enslaved entire cities through the jiyaz tax up to 50%
Originally posted by spillmind
or even helped us get anywhere AHEAD of where we were going into this 'liberation' and now 'occupation'? are there less terrorists that hate the US now? is there now less of a threat of terror on the homefront?
Originally posted by spillmind
or even helped us get anywhere AHEAD of where we were going into this 'liberation' and now 'occupation'? are there less terrorists that hate the US now? is there now less of a threat of terror on the homefront?
Originally posted by spillmind
or even helped us get anywhere AHEAD of where we were going into this 'liberation' and now 'occupation'? are there less terrorists that hate the US now? is there now less of a threat of terror on the homefront?
i know you're just being facetious, jim. we know we can't negotiate with them in a round table discussion, but we also have SEEN that the current method is leaving A LOT to be desired.Thinking that we should sit back and negotiate or let them continue their destructive ways is foolish thinking.
NEWSFLASH, if there was a stop, i think we missed it! these people don't enjoy 'freedom' like you and i do. be serious.It's one stop on the road to the end of the war on terror.
i couldn't get past this. maybe a little buckshot in those cans of bud will help him out? probably not this isn't anything close to a solution. oh, but i did see this:It has brought many MOOSLIM assholes to IRAQ to meet their allmighty asshole MOOSLIM god in death
i'm well aware of that. and that's just sad, dude. but it is your right! just don't be suprised when you see people rolling their eyes in the back of their heads. most of us left that mentality in middle school.And BTW I could care less about how many MOOSLUM friends you think you have.
i'll assume this is in the magical future? it's certainly not there as we type.We plant democracy right in the middle of the middle east.
no, and they represent a larger percentage of muslims that AREN'T radical. agreed, the current threat is a network of 'mostly' muslims. however, i cannot prove this.Your friends are obviously not radical islamists or you are an islamist yourself.
i'm well aquainted with the rendition of the islamic heaven, esp. for radicals. much like the bible, much of this text is taken as rhetorical, as opposed to completely literal.Ask your friends about islamic heaven. Their heaven comes to earth only after all the non-believers are either killed or converted. Islam is not a love thy nieghbor type of religion. And the radicals believe in killing any that stand in their way and terrorizing the rest into conversion. The non-radical element believe in conversion through teaching.
i'd really like for you to back that assertion up with some kind of factual data. i argue more are being created every single day... there is a mutual respect issue that has not been attained, and has been hampered further by our invasion. good point, however!Yes there are less terrorist now. Everyday there are a few less. As we find them and kill or capture them. Another way to beat them is for the non-radical ones, like your friends to step forward and teach the radical ones. I don't see much of that happening, most of the islamic community is strangely silent in this respect.
unfortunately, we don't have the MEANS to continue as we are... even if we wanted to. we are so far in debt, i'm cringing just thinking about the deficit once (if ever) we get out of iraq.The best defense is still a good offense. Fight them on their lands, not ours.
i'm not so sure about this anymores... we've done a better job on the borders. besides, thos looked like iraqi citizens to me dragging those burned corpses through the street last week?Radicals are pouring into Iraq to attack our military. Thats a good thing. Thats what our military does, fight.
sounds like dubyaThere's a war on.
we don't have the money, even if we WANTED to.Its posible Iran maybe next to fall.
was fine till this point. common sense is not liberalism. give it up.You as a liberal can then cry about 'what are we doing there?' we should be looking for bin laden.
cut taxes and attack another country? just wait until we pull another 'iraq'... you'll find how very few allies we have then. it doesn't take much of an imagination.I don't expect Bush to open any new fronts until after the election tho.
NEWSFLASH, if there was a stop, i think we missed it! these people don't enjoy 'freedom' like you and i do. be serious.
*yawn* yeah, like he's the first... or last.... and not like the CIA helped the ba'ath party stay in power, or did we trade arms with them to fight iran, and then double crossed him. pretty convenient to label him as the anti-christ when it fits your purpose, no?How has Iraq helped in the War on Terror? Well, besides moving a mass murdering totalitarian terrorist dictator and his terrorist regime from power... and besides installing a free nation in the heart of the tyrannical Middle East...
your point? terror has suffered because of his deposition? who's killing our people over there, then? must be the ghost of saddam past. sorry, but the point is past moot- it's moved on to stale.Saddam can't fund Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or Hezbollah anymore. He can't sponsor al-Qaeda operatives like Zarqawi, and fund and sponsor groups with ties to al-Qaeda like Ansar, the MEK, the PKK. He can't shelter Abdul Yassin or Abu Abbas. He can't aid Abu Nidal and his ANO network. Must I continue? It'll take too long.
don't forget 'freedom to get blown to bits waiting in the line to get a job', or even the phantom freedom that women allegedly enjoy? or maybe even the 'freedom' that afghanis enjoy? oh, but our job isn't to instill 'democracy' there? you lost, me, buddy. stick to a little consistency, and you've got my attention.Funny i see quite the opposite. I see them enjoying their freedom quite a bit. I mean who doesnt enjoy speaking their views? who doesnt enjoy practicing their religion freely? Who doesnt enjoy the free press? (other then politicians)
THERE'S A REASON YOU POSTED TO THIS THREAD THREE TIMES. pass along the winning lotto numbers, wouldya? :rotflmao: i'll believe it WHEN I SEE IT. and it ain't gonna be anytime soon. i would LOVE for you to prove me wrong. until then, it's just a bunch of right wingers hoping and praying that somehow, majestically cohesion will come to the iraqi society as a whole. if the everyday news isn't sobering you up, maybe time will? (i hope!)All I have to say is... look at Baghdad in 2008. That's it.
Originally posted by spillmind
*yawn* yeah, like he's the first... or last.... and not like the CIA helped the ba'ath party stay in power, or did we trade arms with them to fight iran, and then double crossed him. pretty convenient to label him as the anti-christ when it fits your purpose, no?
your point? terror has suffered because of his deposition? who's killing our people over there, then? must be the ghost of saddam past. sorry, but the point is past moot- it's moved on to stale.
don't forget 'freedom to get blown to bits waiting in the line to get a job', or even the phantom freedom that women allegedly enjoy? or maybe even the 'freedom' that afghanis enjoy? oh, but our job isn't to instill 'democracy' there? you lost, me, buddy. stick to a little consistency, and you've got my attention.
THERE'S A REASON YOU POSTED TO THIS THREAD THREE TIMES. pass along the winning lotto numbers, wouldya? :rotflmao: i'll believe it WHEN I SEE IT. and it ain't gonna be anytime soon. i would LOVE for you to prove me wrong. until then, it's just a bunch of right wingers hoping and praying that somehow, majestically cohesion will come to the iraqi society as a whole. if the everyday news isn't sobering you up, maybe time will? (i hope!)
Originally posted by spillmind
until then, it's just a bunch of right wingers hoping and praying that somehow, majestically cohesion will come to the iraqi society as a whole.
Originally posted by preemptingyou03
All I have to say is... look at Baghdad in 2008. That's it.
You got that correct, it's apparently only the right that is hoping and praying for a better Iraq. It's very sad that you and so many like you hope and pray for bad news in Iraq so you can rush here with your "I told you so" posts. Very sad indeed, but I'm glad you finally showed your true colors.
*yawn* yeah, like he's the first... or last.... and not like the CIA helped the ba'ath party stay in power, or did we trade arms with them to fight iran, and then double crossed him. pretty convenient to label him as the anti-christ when it fits your purpose, no?
maybe i misspoke, or maybe you misinterpreted, but WE ALL HOPE FOR A GOOD OUTCOME, but it's only the right wingers that actually think it will happen.You got that correct, it's apparently only the right that is hoping and praying for a better Iraq. It's very sad that you and so many like you hope and pray for bad news in Iraq so you can rush here with your "I told you so" posts. Very sad indeed, but I'm glad you finally showed your true colors.
@#$%&^*!!! F*** you!!! those mooslim aholes hate us cos we're free! i think i've heard just about everything you've got to say. way to represent for the bushies!Did we solve ALL the problems in Afghanistan??? Fock no, did we help get them on the right path??? Hell yeah, did it take 4,5 or so years to get Japan and Germany on the right track??? Hell yeah. You want overnight results?? I say piss on you, cause you are unrealistic in your expectations. Hell, all I see is a bunch of left wing whackos trying to destroy a country that has a President with some balls for once... Hell according to you and your ilk we should bend over and let Europe have their way????I am sorry , you never said that. Hell the U.S. is the root of all evil on the planet and I know war for oil blah blah blah Hey I know, ask the cowardly Spaniards how to appease and coddle the lil MOOSLUM bitches??Would it help if we just shut up and stay home??? Fuck no it won't
you don't have to be a gawd damned token lib to UNDERSTAND SIMPLE COMMON SENSE! if it were a snake, i swear it would bite you!Its not about not hoping for it to work, its about knowing it won't because thats not what is going to happen. Theres too much religious influence thats going to cave an iraqi democracy within weeks of the turnover. iraq will look like Israel/palestine between their factions.
gee, taking a quick glance at the policy shifts that you pointed out for a couple answers might help you out. too bad we can't always be the good guy! too bad not everyone will forgive actions we've made in the past! you want to suffocate the terrorists in the ME? STOP BUYING OIL. put some of our money into maximizing energy solutions and exploring new ones, and you might have a minor epiphany! oh but then the oil lobbyists and those with the contracts that bush caters to wouldn't like that, now would they? i'll wait for you to dismiss this as a non-factor, laugh my ass off, and then flesh it out for you in more detail, if you really need that much insight.You say going into Iraq didn't help the War on Terror, even though Iraq sponsored about 7 terrorist groups, funded about 8 terrorist groups, and gave shelter to about 4-6 of some of the world's most wanted terrorists. You say it wasn't part of the War on Terror. (Then what is?) You say it hurt it. (What would you suggest? Baking them cookies?)
Times will reform again.
so don't be suprised when the gloabl community ask where were we then? the current US serving policy is going to have to answer with some accountability SOMEDAY. can't just keep going around doing what's 'right' when it suits us! that's not exactly, 'right', now is it?But we did in fact turn a blind eye,