How Franklin Roosevelt Made Memorial Day Necessary

[PoliticalChic]

I know you're on the Left....but that could be you in the middle, too.

Frau Braun

That is your best retort for defending Hitler?

Beyond the lie in your avi.....this one is simplest to reveal.....

See if you can find any post of mine that defended Hitler.


We both know that the motive for your attempted smear is that I provide the truth about FDR.

Frau Braun

How else could you object to the unconditional surrender of a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?

Are you really that sick or just play that way on USMB?

"...a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?"

Are you nuts?????

What do you think Stalin was doing, you dunce???

"The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gads, you FDR-groupies are stupid.

Frau Braun

Your only justification is "he did it too"?

Only a Nazi lover could justify genocide and the subjugation of Western Europr

There is no metric by which Joseph Stalin was less injurious to his nation, our nation, and the world than Adolf Hitler.
None whatsoever.

Yet, like Roosevelt, here you are rushing to excuse Roosevelt's outrageous attachment to this pathological doctrine and dictator.


As Coulter so correctly pronounced,
. "Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Today, MEMORIAL DAY, the


"A coup against Hitler was wishful thinking. [Head of German Military Intelligence Wilhelm] Canaris nor anyone else was in a position to overthrow Hitler and any idea he or anyone else could have is based on faulty speculation. "

This quote remains accurate. The OP has shown nothing but speculative opinion and no objective data to refute the quote.

Let's see....

1. I provided proof that the there was a robust anti-Nazi, anti-Hitler, anti-communist German resistance, and there did not exist an 'unwavering, monolithic German support for Nazism and Hitler,' throughout Germany."

2. I provided proof that they offered a swift end to the war years before it ended.

3. I provided proof that FDR's own fact-finder, George Earle, met with and agreed with the German resistance, and kept trying to get FDR to agree to it.

4. I provided proof that 'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS (future CIA) had agents meet with the German underground, and then sent reports pleading with FDR to agree to a treaty to end the war.

5. I provided testimony from Soviet Intelligence Officers that Stalin wanted the war extended, and German 'pastoralized' so he could advance across Europe post-war: "Such an accord would limit Communist influence in Europe."

6. Then I provided a quote from Louis Lochner, the AP bureau chief in Berlin, attempting to file a story on the activities of anti-Nazi Germans and U.S. military censors blocked the story.
Why?
“...a personal directive from the president of the United States ‘in his capacity of commander in chief forbidding all mention of the German resistance,’” “Stories of the existence of a resistance movement did not fit into the concept of Unconditional Surrender!”

7. I gave the plan offered by the German resistance: ".. the plan was to stage a coup, turn over Hitler and his top henchmen to the Allies, and bring about Germany’s “unconditional surrender, with one condition”: The Russians were not to be allowed into Central Europe, including Germany or territory at that time controlled by Germany."

8. I gave the only possible conclusion: Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.


So....on Memorial Day, America has some 200,000 more deaths to mourn due to the ideology of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.




And your response???
"The OP has shown nothing but speculative opinion and no objective data..."

Clearly....you lie.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

1. Today, MEMORIAL DAY, the


"A coup against Hitler was wishful thinking. [Head of German Military Intelligence Wilhelm] Canaris nor anyone else was in a position to overthrow Hitler and any idea he or anyone else could have is based on faulty speculation. "

This quote remains accurate. The OP has shown nothing but speculative opinion and no objective data to refute the quote.

Let's see....

1. I provided proof that the there was a robust anti-Nazi, anti-Hitler, anti-communist German resistance, and there did not exist an 'unwavering, monolithic German support for Nazism and Hitler,' throughout Germany."

2. I provided proof that they offered a swift end to the war years before it ended.

3. I provided proof that FDR's own fact-finder, George Earle, met with and agreed with the German resistance, and kept trying to get FDR to agree to it.

4. I provided proof that 'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS (future CIA) had agents meet with the German underground, and then sent reports pleading with FDR to agree to a treaty to end the war.

5. I provided testimony from Soviet Intelligence Officers that Stalin wanted the war extended, and German 'pastoralized' so he could advance across Europe post-war: "Such an accord would limit Communist influence in Europe."

6. Then I provided a quote from Louis Lochner, the AP bureau chief in Berlin, attempting to file a story on the activities of anti-Nazi Germans and U.S. military censors blocked the story.
Why?
“...a personal directive from the president of the United States ‘in his capacity of commander in chief forbidding all mention of the German resistance,’” “Stories of the existence of a resistance movement did not fit into the concept of Unconditional Surrender!”

7. I gave the plan offered by the German resistance: ".. the plan was to stage a coup, turn over Hitler and his top henchmen to the Allies, and bring about Germany’s “unconditional surrender, with one condition”: The Russians were not to be allowed into Central Europe, including Germany or territory at that time controlled by Germany."

8. I gave the only possible conclusion: Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.


So....on Memorial Day, America has some 200,000 more deaths to mourn due to the ideology of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.




And your response???
"The OP has shown nothing but speculative opinion and no objective data..."

Clearly....you lie.

All you've achieved in providing is hot air.

 

[rightwinger]

Frau Braun

That is your best retort for defending Hitler?

Beyond the lie in your avi.....this one is simplest to reveal.....

See if you can find any post of mine that defended Hitler.


We both know that the motive for your attempted smear is that I provide the truth about FDR.

Frau Braun

How else could you object to the unconditional surrender of a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?

Are you really that sick or just play that way on USMB?

"...a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?"

Are you nuts?????

What do you think Stalin was doing, you dunce???

"The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gads, you FDR-groupies are stupid.

Frau Braun

Your only justification is "he did it too"?

Only a Nazi lover could justify genocide and the subjugation of Western Europr

There is no metric by which Joseph Stalin was less injurious to his nation, our nation, and the world than Adolf Hitler.
None whatsoever.

Yet, like Roosevelt, here you are rushing to excuse Roosevelt's outrageous attachment to this pathological doctrine and dictator.


As Coulter so correctly pronounced,
. "Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."

Hitler controlled Western Europe

By allowing Stalin to lose 20 million people on the Eastern Front while killing 7 million Germans, FDR recaptured Western Europe at the cost of 200,000 deaths

 

[Dot Com]

And you...a closed mind.

Clearly, you can't point to anything in my posts that is inaccurate.

Consider this: you may be ignorant of the facts.

Usually when a crazy person posts something insane and innaccurate, it's impossible to convince them they've posted something insane and innaccurate because they are crazy.

Seems that Post #18 rammed your words back down your throat, huh?

oohhh.,, I get it now...you're just smarter than everyone else, huh? fucking lunatic

1. Watch you language, dunce.
2. The language alone proves me smarter.

Watch you language?? do you mean watch YOUR language? you call me the dunce, yet you can't grasp the basic use of the English language. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

she's a hyper- rw immigrant LTCArmyRet and crazy as a shit house rat

 

[Dot Com]

Frau Braun

That is your best retort for defending Hitler?

Beyond the lie in your avi.....this one is simplest to reveal.....

See if you can find any post of mine that defended Hitler.


We both know that the motive for your attempted smear is that I provide the truth about FDR.

Frau Braun

How else could you object to the unconditional surrender of a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?

Are you really that sick or just play that way on USMB?

"...a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?"

Are you nuts?????

What do you think Stalin was doing, you dunce???

"The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gads, you FDR-groupies are stupid.

Frau Braun

Your only justification is "he did it too"?

Only a Nazi lover could justify genocide and the subjugation of Western Europr

There is no metric by which Joseph Stalin was less injurious to his nation, our nation, and the world than Adolf Hitler.
None whatsoever.

Yet, like Roosevelt, here you are rushing to excuse Roosevelt's outrageous attachment to this pathological doctrine and dictator.


As Coulter so correctly pronounced,
. "Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."

sounds like the Repub-voters mantra- "Party before Country" eh PoliticalSpice?

 

[Dot Com]

Beyond the lie in your avi.....this one is simplest to reveal.....

See if you can find any post of mine that defended Hitler.


We both know that the motive for your attempted smear is that I provide the truth about FDR.

Frau Braun

How else could you object to the unconditional surrender of a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?

Are you really that sick or just play that way on USMB?

"...a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?"

Are you nuts?????

What do you think Stalin was doing, you dunce???

"The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gads, you FDR-groupies are stupid.

Frau Braun

Your only justification is "he did it too"?

Only a Nazi lover could justify genocide and the subjugation of Western Europr

There is no metric by which Joseph Stalin was less injurious to his nation, our nation, and the world than Adolf Hitler.
None whatsoever.

Yet, like Roosevelt, here you are rushing to excuse Roosevelt's outrageous attachment to this pathological doctrine and dictator.


As Coulter so correctly pronounced,
. "Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."

Hitler controlled Western Europe

By allowing Stalin to lose 20 million people on the Eastern Front while killing 7 million Germans, FDR recaptured Western Europe at the cost of 200,000 deaths

PoliSpice is not good at math which is ironic considering she's an AZN

 

[rightwinger]

Frau Braun

How else could you object to the unconditional surrender of a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?

Are you really that sick or just play that way on USMB?

"...a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?"

Are you nuts?????

What do you think Stalin was doing, you dunce???

"The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gads, you FDR-groupies are stupid.

Frau Braun

Your only justification is "he did it too"?

Only a Nazi lover could justify genocide and the subjugation of Western Europr

There is no metric by which Joseph Stalin was less injurious to his nation, our nation, and the world than Adolf Hitler.
None whatsoever.

Yet, like Roosevelt, here you are rushing to excuse Roosevelt's outrageous attachment to this pathological doctrine and dictator.


As Coulter so correctly pronounced,
. "Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."

Hitler controlled Western Europe

By allowing Stalin to lose 20 million people on the Eastern Front while killing 7 million Germans, FDR recaptured Western Europe at the cost of 200,000 deaths

PoliSpice is not good at math which is ironic considering she's an AZN

Frau Braun is still pissed that FDR did not save the Nazis

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. Today, MEMORIAL DAY, the


"A coup against Hitler was wishful thinking. [Head of German Military Intelligence Wilhelm] Canaris nor anyone else was in a position to overthrow Hitler and any idea he or anyone else could have is based on faulty speculation. "

This quote remains accurate. The OP has shown nothing but speculative opinion and no objective data to refute the quote.

Let's see....

1. I provided proof that the there was a robust anti-Nazi, anti-Hitler, anti-communist German resistance, and there did not exist an 'unwavering, monolithic German support for Nazism and Hitler,' throughout Germany."

2. I provided proof that they offered a swift end to the war years before it ended.

3. I provided proof that FDR's own fact-finder, George Earle, met with and agreed with the German resistance, and kept trying to get FDR to agree to it.

4. I provided proof that 'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS (future CIA) had agents meet with the German underground, and then sent reports pleading with FDR to agree to a treaty to end the war.

5. I provided testimony from Soviet Intelligence Officers that Stalin wanted the war extended, and German 'pastoralized' so he could advance across Europe post-war: "Such an accord would limit Communist influence in Europe."

6. Then I provided a quote from Louis Lochner, the AP bureau chief in Berlin, attempting to file a story on the activities of anti-Nazi Germans and U.S. military censors blocked the story.
Why?
“...a personal directive from the president of the United States ‘in his capacity of commander in chief forbidding all mention of the German resistance,’” “Stories of the existence of a resistance movement did not fit into the concept of Unconditional Surrender!”

7. I gave the plan offered by the German resistance: ".. the plan was to stage a coup, turn over Hitler and his top henchmen to the Allies, and bring about Germany’s “unconditional surrender, with one condition”: The Russians were not to be allowed into Central Europe, including Germany or territory at that time controlled by Germany."

8. I gave the only possible conclusion: Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.


So....on Memorial Day, America has some 200,000 more deaths to mourn due to the ideology of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.




And your response???
"The OP has shown nothing but speculative opinion and no objective data..."

Clearly....you lie.

All you've achieved in providing is hot air.

So.....this is your definition of 'hot air'?

The facts that you cannot dispute?

These?

1. I provided proof that the there was a robust anti-Nazi, anti-Hitler, anti-communist German resistance, and there did not exist an 'unwavering, monolithic German support for Nazism and Hitler,' throughout Germany."

2. I provided proof that they offered a swift end to the war years before it ended.

3. I provided proof that FDR's own fact-finder, George Earle, met with and agreed with the German resistance, and kept trying to get FDR to agree to it.

4. I provided proof that 'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS (future CIA) had agents meet with the German underground, and then sent reports pleading with FDR to agree to a treaty to end the war.

5. I provided testimony from Soviet Intelligence Officers that Stalin wanted the war extended, and German 'pastoralized' so he could advance across Europe post-war: "Such an accord would limit Communist influence in Europe."

6. Then I provided a quote from Louis Lochner, the AP bureau chief in Berlin, attempting to file a story on the activities of anti-Nazi Germans and U.S. military censors blocked the story.
Why?
“...a personal directive from the president of the United States ‘in his capacity of commander in chief forbidding all mention of the German resistance,’” “Stories of the existence of a resistance movement did not fit into the concept of Unconditional Surrender!”

7. I gave the plan offered by the German resistance: ".. the plan was to stage a coup, turn over Hitler and his top henchmen to the Allies, and bring about Germany’s “unconditional surrender, with one condition”: The Russians were not to be allowed into Central Europe, including Germany or territory at that time controlled by Germany."

8. I gave the only possible conclusion: Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.


So....on Memorial Day, America has some 200,000 more deaths to mourn due to the ideology of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.



As a bonus, I proved you to be a liar, too.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Beyond the lie in your avi.....this one is simplest to reveal.....

See if you can find any post of mine that defended Hitler.


We both know that the motive for your attempted smear is that I provide the truth about FDR.

Frau Braun

How else could you object to the unconditional surrender of a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?

Are you really that sick or just play that way on USMB?

"...a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?"

Are you nuts?????

What do you think Stalin was doing, you dunce???

"The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gads, you FDR-groupies are stupid.

Frau Braun

Your only justification is "he did it too"?

Only a Nazi lover could justify genocide and the subjugation of Western Europr

There is no metric by which Joseph Stalin was less injurious to his nation, our nation, and the world than Adolf Hitler.
None whatsoever.

Yet, like Roosevelt, here you are rushing to excuse Roosevelt's outrageous attachment to this pathological doctrine and dictator.


As Coulter so correctly pronounced,
. "Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."

Hitler controlled Western Europe

By allowing Stalin to lose 20 million people on the Eastern Front while killing 7 million Germans, FDR recaptured Western Europe at the cost of 200,000 deaths

Au contraire.

Roosevelt felt that allowing Stalin to conquer Eastern Europe was worth 200,000 American lives.

You too?

 

[PoliticalChic]

"...a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?"

Are you nuts?????

What do you think Stalin was doing, you dunce???

"The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gads, you FDR-groupies are stupid.

Frau Braun

Your only justification is "he did it too"?

Only a Nazi lover could justify genocide and the subjugation of Western Europr

There is no metric by which Joseph Stalin was less injurious to his nation, our nation, and the world than Adolf Hitler.
None whatsoever.

Yet, like Roosevelt, here you are rushing to excuse Roosevelt's outrageous attachment to this pathological doctrine and dictator.


As Coulter so correctly pronounced,
. "Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."

Hitler controlled Western Europe

By allowing Stalin to lose 20 million people on the Eastern Front while killing 7 million Germans, FDR recaptured Western Europe at the cost of 200,000 deaths

PoliSpice is not good at math which is ironic considering she's an AZN

Frau Braun is still pissed that FDR did not save the Nazis

I have no association with Leftism...i.e., Nazism nor communism.

You do....yet you try to slander me with that phrase, 'Frau Braun,' as recompense for your embarrassment due to your demigod's bowing to Stalin's every demand.

That's the truth....isn't it.

 

[rightwinger]

Frau Braun

How else could you object to the unconditional surrender of a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?

Are you really that sick or just play that way on USMB?

"...a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?"

Are you nuts?????

What do you think Stalin was doing, you dunce???

"The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gads, you FDR-groupies are stupid.

Frau Braun

Your only justification is "he did it too"?

Only a Nazi lover could justify genocide and the subjugation of Western Europr

There is no metric by which Joseph Stalin was less injurious to his nation, our nation, and the world than Adolf Hitler.
None whatsoever.

Yet, like Roosevelt, here you are rushing to excuse Roosevelt's outrageous attachment to this pathological doctrine and dictator.


As Coulter so correctly pronounced,
. "Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."

Hitler controlled Western Europe

By allowing Stalin to lose 20 million people on the Eastern Front while killing 7 million Germans, FDR recaptured Western Europe at the cost of 200,000 deaths

Au contraire.

Roosevelt felt that allowing Stalin to conquer Eastern Europe was worth 200,000 American lives.

You too?

Two different fronts Frau Braun, We lost nobody on the Eastern Front

Your willingness to sacrifice Western Europe in a premature offer of peace shows your true loyalty

 

[Dot Com]

Frau Braun

How else could you object to the unconditional surrender of a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?

Are you really that sick or just play that way on USMB?

"...a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?"

Are you nuts?????

What do you think Stalin was doing, you dunce???

"The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gads, you FDR-groupies are stupid.

Frau Braun

Your only justification is "he did it too"?

Only a Nazi lover could justify genocide and the subjugation of Western Europr

There is no metric by which Joseph Stalin was less injurious to his nation, our nation, and the world than Adolf Hitler.
None whatsoever.

Yet, like Roosevelt, here you are rushing to excuse Roosevelt's outrageous attachment to this pathological doctrine and dictator.


As Coulter so correctly pronounced,
. "Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."

Hitler controlled Western Europe

By allowing Stalin to lose 20 million people on the Eastern Front while killing 7 million Germans, FDR recaptured Western Europe at the cost of 200,000 deaths

Au contraire.

Roosevelt felt that allowing Stalin to conquer Eastern Europe was worth 200,000 American lives.

You too?

You really are pathetically sick. Ever heard of Stalingrad you hack? How many Soviet lives were lost there

 

[rightwinger]

Frau Braun

Your only justification is "he did it too"?

Only a Nazi lover could justify genocide and the subjugation of Western Europr

There is no metric by which Joseph Stalin was less injurious to his nation, our nation, and the world than Adolf Hitler.
None whatsoever.

Yet, like Roosevelt, here you are rushing to excuse Roosevelt's outrageous attachment to this pathological doctrine and dictator.


As Coulter so correctly pronounced,
. "Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."

Hitler controlled Western Europe

By allowing Stalin to lose 20 million people on the Eastern Front while killing 7 million Germans, FDR recaptured Western Europe at the cost of 200,000 deaths

PoliSpice is not good at math which is ironic considering she's an AZN

Frau Braun is still pissed that FDR did not save the Nazis

I have no association with Leftism...i.e., Nazism nor communism.

You do....yet you try to slander me with that phrase, 'Frau Braun,' as recompense for your embarrassment due to your demigod's bowing to Stalin's every demand.

That's the truth....isn't it.

Frau Braun seems appropriate for someone supporting the Nazi regime

 

[Camp]

1. Today, MEMORIAL DAY, the


"A coup against Hitler was wishful thinking. [Head of German Military Intelligence Wilhelm] Canaris nor anyone else was in a position to overthrow Hitler and any idea he or anyone else could have is based on faulty speculation. "

This quote remains accurate. The OP has shown nothing but speculative opinion and no objective data to refute the quote.

Let's see....

1. I provided proof that the there was a robust anti-Nazi, anti-Hitler, anti-communist German resistance, and there did not exist an 'unwavering, monolithic German support for Nazism and Hitler,' throughout Germany."

2. I provided proof that they offered a swift end to the war years before it ended.

3. I provided proof that FDR's own fact-finder, George Earle, met with and agreed with the German resistance, and kept trying to get FDR to agree to it.

4. I provided proof that 'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS (future CIA) had agents meet with the German underground, and then sent reports pleading with FDR to agree to a treaty to end the war.

5. I provided testimony from Soviet Intelligence Officers that Stalin wanted the war extended, and German 'pastoralized' so he could advance across Europe post-war: "Such an accord would limit Communist influence in Europe."

6. Then I provided a quote from Louis Lochner, the AP bureau chief in Berlin, attempting to file a story on the activities of anti-Nazi Germans and U.S. military censors blocked the story.
Why?
“...a personal directive from the president of the United States ‘in his capacity of commander in chief forbidding all mention of the German resistance,’” “Stories of the existence of a resistance movement did not fit into the concept of Unconditional Surrender!”

7. I gave the plan offered by the German resistance: ".. the plan was to stage a coup, turn over Hitler and his top henchmen to the Allies, and bring about Germany’s “unconditional surrender, with one condition”: The Russians were not to be allowed into Central Europe, including Germany or territory at that time controlled by Germany."

8. I gave the only possible conclusion: Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.


So....on Memorial Day, America has some 200,000 more deaths to mourn due to the ideology of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.




And your response???
"The OP has shown nothing but speculative opinion and no objective data..."

Clearly....you lie.

You have not proven that a coup in Germany was possible. You offer only an opinion that one might have been feasible. You are speculating that forces in Germany could have done away with Hitler, when factually, all attempts to do so failed. That is what your entire concept of an early surrender with terms are based on. In addition, the terms you suggest would have been on the table were not rational or obtainable. There was no way the USSR would have agreed to not share in German spoils of war.
Subjective and speculative ideas and concepts never equal facts.

 

[gipper]

"...a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?"

Are you nuts?????

What do you think Stalin was doing, you dunce???

"The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gads, you FDR-groupies are stupid.

Frau Braun

Your only justification is "he did it too"?

Only a Nazi lover could justify genocide and the subjugation of Western Europr

There is no metric by which Joseph Stalin was less injurious to his nation, our nation, and the world than Adolf Hitler.
None whatsoever.

Yet, like Roosevelt, here you are rushing to excuse Roosevelt's outrageous attachment to this pathological doctrine and dictator.


As Coulter so correctly pronounced,
. "Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."

Hitler controlled Western Europe

By allowing Stalin to lose 20 million people on the Eastern Front while killing 7 million Germans, FDR recaptured Western Europe at the cost of 200,000 deaths

Au contraire.

Roosevelt felt that allowing Stalin to conquer Eastern Europe was worth 200,000 American lives.

You too?

You really are pathetically sick. Ever heard of Stalingrad you hack? How many Soviet lives were lost there

What does that have to do with the debate?

The Soviets casualties in WWII were around 20 million. That number is hard to believe, but certainly indicates an utter lack of competence on the part of Soviet military and political leaders. No?

The Soviets were about to attack Germany, but Hitler beat them to the punch. Hitler caught the Soviets completely unaware, which is why so many Soviet troops surrendered or were captured early on. The Soviets were not prepared for a defensive war.

Do you think they deserve our praise and admiration because they lost so many people? Have you forgotten what the Soviets were responsible for? Have you forgotten that they allied themselves with Hitler? That they invaded Poland, Baltics, and Finland??? Ever heard of the Holodomor...or the Gulag system????

 

[gipper]

1. Today, MEMORIAL DAY, the


"A coup against Hitler was wishful thinking. [Head of German Military Intelligence Wilhelm] Canaris nor anyone else was in a position to overthrow Hitler and any idea he or anyone else could have is based on faulty speculation. "

This quote remains accurate. The OP has shown nothing but speculative opinion and no objective data to refute the quote.

Let's see....

1. I provided proof that the there was a robust anti-Nazi, anti-Hitler, anti-communist German resistance, and there did not exist an 'unwavering, monolithic German support for Nazism and Hitler,' throughout Germany."

2. I provided proof that they offered a swift end to the war years before it ended.

3. I provided proof that FDR's own fact-finder, George Earle, met with and agreed with the German resistance, and kept trying to get FDR to agree to it.

4. I provided proof that 'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS (future CIA) had agents meet with the German underground, and then sent reports pleading with FDR to agree to a treaty to end the war.

5. I provided testimony from Soviet Intelligence Officers that Stalin wanted the war extended, and German 'pastoralized' so he could advance across Europe post-war: "Such an accord would limit Communist influence in Europe."

6. Then I provided a quote from Louis Lochner, the AP bureau chief in Berlin, attempting to file a story on the activities of anti-Nazi Germans and U.S. military censors blocked the story.
Why?
“...a personal directive from the president of the United States ‘in his capacity of commander in chief forbidding all mention of the German resistance,’” “Stories of the existence of a resistance movement did not fit into the concept of Unconditional Surrender!”

7. I gave the plan offered by the German resistance: ".. the plan was to stage a coup, turn over Hitler and his top henchmen to the Allies, and bring about Germany’s “unconditional surrender, with one condition”: The Russians were not to be allowed into Central Europe, including Germany or territory at that time controlled by Germany."

8. I gave the only possible conclusion: Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.


So....on Memorial Day, America has some 200,000 more deaths to mourn due to the ideology of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.




And your response???
"The OP has shown nothing but speculative opinion and no objective data..."

Clearly....you lie.

You have not proven that a coup in Germany was possible. You offer only an opinion that one might have been feasible. You are speculating that forces in Germany could have done away with Hitler, when factually, all attempts to do so failed. That is what your entire concept of an early surrender with terms are based on. In addition, the terms you suggest would have been on the table were not rational or obtainable. There was no way the USSR would have agreed to not share in German spoils of war.
Subjective and speculative ideas and concepts never equal facts.

Don't you think American leaders should have helped those who wanted a coup? Why would your buddy FDR not try to support coup attempts within Germany? Even a statist dupe like yourself, must question why America did nothing to help those trying to unseat Hitler.

 

[rightwinger]

1. Today, MEMORIAL DAY, the


"A coup against Hitler was wishful thinking. [Head of German Military Intelligence Wilhelm] Canaris nor anyone else was in a position to overthrow Hitler and any idea he or anyone else could have is based on faulty speculation. "

This quote remains accurate. The OP has shown nothing but speculative opinion and no objective data to refute the quote.

Let's see....

1. I provided proof that the there was a robust anti-Nazi, anti-Hitler, anti-communist German resistance, and there did not exist an 'unwavering, monolithic German support for Nazism and Hitler,' throughout Germany."

2. I provided proof that they offered a swift end to the war years before it ended.

3. I provided proof that FDR's own fact-finder, George Earle, met with and agreed with the German resistance, and kept trying to get FDR to agree to it.

4. I provided proof that 'Wild Bill' Donovan, FDR' selection to head the OSS (future CIA) had agents meet with the German underground, and then sent reports pleading with FDR to agree to a treaty to end the war.

5. I provided testimony from Soviet Intelligence Officers that Stalin wanted the war extended, and German 'pastoralized' so he could advance across Europe post-war: "Such an accord would limit Communist influence in Europe."

6. Then I provided a quote from Louis Lochner, the AP bureau chief in Berlin, attempting to file a story on the activities of anti-Nazi Germans and U.S. military censors blocked the story.
Why?
“...a personal directive from the president of the United States ‘in his capacity of commander in chief forbidding all mention of the German resistance,’” “Stories of the existence of a resistance movement did not fit into the concept of Unconditional Surrender!”

7. I gave the plan offered by the German resistance: ".. the plan was to stage a coup, turn over Hitler and his top henchmen to the Allies, and bring about Germany’s “unconditional surrender, with one condition”: The Russians were not to be allowed into Central Europe, including Germany or territory at that time controlled by Germany."

8. I gave the only possible conclusion: Roosevelt quashed every plan to produce a peace with anti-Nazi Germans, in support of Communist expansion in Europe. Somehow, this was a higher priority than removing Hitler and ending our loss of blood and treasure.


So....on Memorial Day, America has some 200,000 more deaths to mourn due to the ideology of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.




And your response???
"The OP has shown nothing but speculative opinion and no objective data..."

Clearly....you lie.

You have not proven that a coup in Germany was possible. You offer only an opinion that one might have been feasible. You are speculating that forces in Germany could have done away with Hitler, when factually, all attempts to do so failed. That is what your entire concept of an early surrender with terms are based on. In addition, the terms you suggest would have been on the table were not rational or obtainable. There was no way the USSR would have agreed to not share in German spoils of war.
Subjective and speculative ideas and concepts never equal facts.

Don't you think American leaders should have helped those who wanted a coup? Why would your buddy FDR not try to support coup attempts within Germany? Even a statist dupe like yourself, must question why America did nothing to help those trying to unseat Hitler.

There were 25 attempts at a coup against Hitler. All failed and all were met with a brutal response from the Nazis.

Assassination attempts on Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PoliticalChic]

"...a Nazi regime engaged in genocide?"

Are you nuts?????

What do you think Stalin was doing, you dunce???

"The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation." Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gads, you FDR-groupies are stupid.

Frau Braun

Your only justification is "he did it too"?

Only a Nazi lover could justify genocide and the subjugation of Western Europr

There is no metric by which Joseph Stalin was less injurious to his nation, our nation, and the world than Adolf Hitler.
None whatsoever.

Yet, like Roosevelt, here you are rushing to excuse Roosevelt's outrageous attachment to this pathological doctrine and dictator.


As Coulter so correctly pronounced,
. "Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."

Hitler controlled Western Europe

By allowing Stalin to lose 20 million people on the Eastern Front while killing 7 million Germans, FDR recaptured Western Europe at the cost of 200,000 deaths

Au contraire.

Roosevelt felt that allowing Stalin to conquer Eastern Europe was worth 200,000 American lives.

You too?

Two different fronts Frau Braun, We lost nobody on the Eastern Front

Your willingness to sacrifice Western Europe in a premature offer of peace shows your true loyalty

Every time you come up with another lie means you know I've pounded another stake into your demigod's heart.

Or......can you find any post of mine.....any of thousands......that suggests the "sacrifice Western Europe in a premature offer of peace" treaty???

No?

You can't???

You mean you made that up to try to shield Roosevelt and yourself from well-deserved contumely????



I posted this plan offered by the German resistance: ".. the plan was to stage a coup, turn over Hitler and his top henchmen to the Allies, and bring about Germany’s “unconditional surrender, with one condition”: The Russians were not to be allowed into Central Europe, including Germany or territory at that time controlled by Germany."


And it would have preserved 200,000 American lives.


In your face, boooooyyyyyeeeeeee!

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is no metric by which Joseph Stalin was less injurious to his nation, our nation, and the world than Adolf Hitler.
None whatsoever.

Yet, like Roosevelt, here you are rushing to excuse Roosevelt's outrageous attachment to this pathological doctrine and dictator.


As Coulter so correctly pronounced,
. "Principle is nothing to liberals. Winning is everything."

Hitler controlled Western Europe

By allowing Stalin to lose 20 million people on the Eastern Front while killing 7 million Germans, FDR recaptured Western Europe at the cost of 200,000 deaths

PoliSpice is not good at math which is ironic considering she's an AZN

Frau Braun is still pissed that FDR did not save the Nazis

I have no association with Leftism...i.e., Nazism nor communism.

You do....yet you try to slander me with that phrase, 'Frau Braun,' as recompense for your embarrassment due to your demigod's bowing to Stalin's every demand.

That's the truth....isn't it.

Frau Braun seems appropriate for someone supporting the Nazi regime

Or......can you find any post of mine.....any of thousands......that suggests the supporting the Nazi regime???

Any?????

No?

You can't???

You mean you made that up to try to shield Roosevelt and yourself from well-deserved contumely????