How do you feel about Israel's new "request" for more money?

[ding]

Israel definitely negotiated from a position of superior strength. With the USSR gone the Arab states were at a serious disadvantage but a peace is a peace and Israel only wanted security from her neighbors.

I would agree that Israel negotiated from a position of strength, but saying it was a superior strength is subjective. Same for your characterization that the Arab states were at a "serious" disadvantage. It's subjective. But putting that aside, don't you prefer negotiating from a position of strength rather than a position of weakness? Would you turn your nose up at having an advantage?

I think until they recognize Israel's legitimacy to exist as a Jewish state, there can be no peace; two state or otherwise. Besides there's a much easier solution that would be far harder for Israel to defend. Integrate. Assimilate. Rather than raising funds for purchasing weapons, raise funds for purchasing properties and businesses. Out breed them.

 

[alang1216]

Can you be more specific?

Israel's borders have significantly expanded and shifted since 1948, primarily driven by wars, subsequent occupations, and, in some cases, peace agreements. From the initial 1947 UN Partition Plan and the 1949 Armistice Lines (Green Line), Israel grew by capturing territory in 1967, including the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Sinai Peninsula, and Golan Heights, later returning Sinai but retaining significant control over others.

Key Historical Shifts in Borders:

• 1947 UN Partition Plan: Proposed dividing British Mandate Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem under international control.
• 1948-1949 War of Independence: Following the declaration of statehood, fighting with Arab neighbors resulted in armistice lines (the Green Line) that left Israel with more territory than in the UN plan.
• 1967 Six-Day War: A major expansion where Israel captured the West Bank and East Jerusalem (from Jordan), the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula (from Egypt), and the Golan Heights (from Syria).
• 1979-1982 Sinai Withdrawal: As part of the peace treaty with Egypt, Israel returned the entire Sinai Peninsula.
• 1981 Golan Heights & East Jerusalem: Israel formally annexed East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, moves not widely recognized by the international community.
• 1993-2005 Oslo Accords & Gaza Withdrawal: Interim agreements granted partial Palestinian control in parts of the West Bank. In 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew all settlers and troops from the Gaza Strip.
• Current Situation: Israel maintains a de facto border with Gaza (subject to periodic conflict/reoccupation), controls most of the West Bank through settlements, and considers the Golan Heights its territory, with international status remaining contested.

 

[Lisa558]

Let’s put in perspective the lie that Jews are taking over with a massive expansion:

 

[Churchill]

Let’s put in perspective that the lie that Jews are taking over with a massive expansion:

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Seems rather a silly idea to begin with really.

"Look at all those hostile Arab and Muslim states that despise Jews more than the Nazis did"?

"Yes, but I hear the weather's nice, lets go and build a colony there, I'm sure we'll be safe."

And you keep posting about a "superior" Jewish intellect?

 

[alang1216]

I think until they recognize Israel's legitimacy to exist as a Jewish state, there can be no peace; two state or otherwise. Besides there's a much easier solution that would be far harder for Israel to defend. Integrate. Assimilate. Rather than raising funds for purchasing weapons, raise funds for purchasing properties and businesses. Out breed them.

Not going to happen. It is easy for an Israeli to buy a Palestinian property, it is almost impossible for the opposite to happen. The Israelis are affluent, the Palestinians are poor, so the breeding thing is fantasy.

 

[Paddlefoot]

Shalom.

 

[Churchill]

Shalom.
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Don't ya love American guns? especially the free ones!

 

[ding]

That doesn't show more territory. That shows more settlements within the same territory. But if that is your point, you'd need to do it on a per capita basis, right?

 

[ding]

Not going to happen. It is easy for an Israeli to buy a Palestinian property, it is almost impossible for the opposite to happen. The Israelis are affluent, the Palestinians are poor, so the breeding thing is fantasy.

First they would have to accept a one state solution and become Israeli citizens. They would have to surrender. Then they could begin rebuilding their lives. Israeli law does not forbid Palestinians with Israeli citizenship from owning property.

 

[alang1216]

That doesn't show more territory. That shows more settlements within the same territory. But if that is your point, you'd need to do it on a per capita basis, right?

Every one of those settlements is essentially Israeli land on what was formally Palestinian land.

 

[alang1216]

First they would have to accept a one state solution and become Israeli citizens. They would have to surrender. Then they could begin rebuilding their lives. Israeli law does not forbid Palestinians with Israeli citizenship from owning property.

Has that ever been offered? Israel must keep the Palestinian citizenry a minority or Israel will cease to be a Jewish state.

 

[EMH]

After all, it is labelled as 'America First'. How can that be bad? Do you think it is in US interests to continue whatever you think is going on over there? It will lead to war, is that what we want? Israel seeking 20-year ‘America-first’ security agreement with US — report

There are many who think Israel matters more than America.

Pro Israel Christians
911 Traitors
Other Zionist Fascists

Every one of those should be deported to Israel under the Ilhan Omar Act

Thread 'Introducing the "Ilhan Omar Act"'

Aug 10, 2024

We need an "Ilhan Omar Act" right now.

Ms. Omar clearly stated she cares more about Somalia than America.

Ilhan Omar Brags About Advancing a Somalia First Agenda in Congress

Every day, up to 5,000 prospective “asylum-seekers” cross America’s porous southern border, a growing crisis that has existed since Joe Biden became president and acted on his campaign call for foreign nationals to “surge to the border.” A question Americans should be asking is: How many of them...

www.heritage.org

This is what the Ilhan Omar Act would state...


If you are convicted of articulating that you care more about another country than the United States, you are DEPORTED TO THAT COUNTRY.



This way, Ms. Omar would be punted back to Somalia....

and ALL SUBS would be deported to ISRAEL.


And THAT would truly MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!!

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Support for Israel = bilking America, murdering Americans, lying to America, duping America, preying on dumb Americans who don't understand basic math or science (aka Pro Israel Christians)


= 911, CO2 FRAUD, Covid/Murderous Fraud Vax, The Steal




Some completely sick morons claim supporting Israel is "conservative." It is NOT. Bilking America, sending Americans to fight and die in the Middle East over lies and nothing in US national interest is not conservative, not at all.

 

[CowboyTed]

Israel uses the money to buy American technology so it comes right back creating jobs. Where do you think all the F 15s and F35s come from.

Yep, cause Isreal are really on US side...

U.S. Military Technology Sold by Israel To China Upsets Asian Power Balance

Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, January 1996, pgs. 12, 96 Special Report U.S. Military Technology Sold by Israel To China Upsets Asian Power Bala...

www.wrmea.org

Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China | Military.com

www.military.com

Buyer beware: The Israeli company helping governments spy on their own citizens

By enabling governments to hack their citizens' phones, an Israeli cyber security firm has arguably made the world more dangerous for human rights activists fighting against corporate and state impunity

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[CowboyTed]

Let’s put in perspective the lie that Jews are taking over with a massive expansion:

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That is such a false narrative....

It would be like a NAZI claiming he didn't kill all the Jews and there was plenty of Jews left, what are you complaining about...

When you don't own land and you steal it, it is called stealing...

 

[CowboyTed]

Not going to happen. It is easy for an Israeli to buy a Palestinian property, it is almost impossible for the opposite to happen. The Israelis are affluent, the Palestinians are poor, so the breeding thing is fantasy.

Ever figure out why the Palestinians are poor?

Would it have anything to do with living under apartheid for 50 years?

 

[Lisa558]

Has that ever been offered? Israel must keep the Palestinian citizenry a minority or Israel will cease to be a Jewish state.

That’s correct. Why shouldn’t Jews be allowed to have ONE TINY Jewish state? Arabs have DOZENS of Muslim states.

 

[Lisa558]

All this focus on one tiny country.

It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Jews live there, could it?

Anyone who is still arguing that their contempt for Israel is unrelated to antisemitism is lying.

 

[Hafar1014]

Ever figure out why the Palestinians are poor?

Would it have anything to do with living under apartheid for 50 years?

In Arab countries

 

[Hollie]

Yes this is true, part of the continuous transfer of public wealth to private wealth, when an economy relies on selling weapons to foreign governments, one needs conflict to keep the money flowing, if there are no wars then start some, Iran's next (well as soon as the Israeli regime give trump his orders).

The US economy does not rely on selling weapons To foreign governments. You’re eternally ignorant.

 

[Hafar1014]

The US economy does not rely on selling weapons To foreign governments. You’re eternally ignorant.

The U.S. is the world's leading arms exporter, supplying conventional weapons to over 100 nations, heavily focused on allies in the Middle East, Asia, and NATO. Major recipients include Israel, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Australia, Taiwan, and South Korea, with recent record sales driven by "great power competition".
Here are key details regarding U.S. arms sales:

Top Recipients and Partners

• Middle East: Significant sales to Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Iraq, and Egypt. Recent 2026 approvals include billions in new sales to Israel and Saudi Arabia.
• Asia-Pacific: Key partners include Japan, Australia, Taiwan, and South Korea. Taiwan frequently receives significant defensive packages amid tensions with China.
• Europe: High volume to NATO allies, with notable sales to Poland (e.g., HIMARS) and Ukraine.

Key Trends & Context

• Record Highs: Sales reached a record $238 billion in FY2023, driven by both government-to-government transfers and direct commercial sales.
• Drivers: Increased demand is fueled by the war in Ukraine, tensions in the Middle East, and efforts to contain China and Russia.
• Types of Equipment: Includes advanced aircraft (F-35, P-8A), missiles (Patriot, AMRAAM), armored vehicles, and artillery systems.

Thats lot of jobs