How do we stop "the poor" from being so problematic?

[Ray From Cleveland]

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

I had a couple I rented an apartment to. When they left, they were in their mid 20's. He worked at McDonald's and she at a pizza shop.

They worked those kind of jobs since they moved in six years earlier. Why? Because they both smoked pot and couldn't get a good job because good jobs drug test.

It was my hope (and still is) that when they got sick of working low paying jobs, they would mature and give up the pot to seek better opportunities in life before it's too late. After all, what do you have left in life if you are 35 or 40 and the only work experience you have is making french fries or pizza?

Maybe that day may come, I don't know. What I do know is that if our state ever turned Democrat and they voted in a huge minimum wage increase like $15.00 an hour, that couple will probably never seek better opportunities in life.

Such a shame, what a waste.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Because in the real world humans with brains are suppose to tailor their lifestyle to their income and not leverage their employers to tailor their income to their lifestyle....you understand the concept right? Employers shouldn't be held accountable for Juans lack of intelligence and poor decision making....right?
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs designed for high school kids and the brainless.
If 35 year old Juan and Guadalupe weren't trying to make burger flipping a lifelong career we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Would this be an issue if we sent 10 million or so Juan's and Guadalupe's home with their six anchors?
Doesn't that seem easier?

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

Hey look...I see little wrong with adults working a child's job for life.
Where it becomes a wrong is when Juan, the burger flipper has six babies he can't afford on his salary then sends me the invoice and or begs and whines about needing more from consumers and taxpayers to pay for his poor decision making. Come on man... you can't be that stupid...not unless you're a Juan yourself?
In the real world if you want more you have to be willing to do more...you can't stand before your peers with a sad face and a hand out every time you want more. Sorry.

But what can you do about that?

And just to be clear, the adult burger flipper is more likely to be a Randy than a Juan.

NEGATIVE.
ShaQuita and Guadalupe are far more likely to be burger flipping lifers.

Minimum Wage workers according to the document linked below:
(see page 4)
White: 60,245,000
Black: 10.669,000
Hispanic: 15,301,000

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/mi...racteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf

For every black minimum wage employee in this country, there are 6 white minimum wage employees.
For every hispanic minimum wage employee in this country, there are 4 white minimum wage employees.

Therefore, my statement is correct: "the adult burger flipper is more likely to be a Randy than a Juan."

Let's talk per capita...only fools assess data any other way.

 

[Dragonlady]

Why should those jobs not be careers if that is all that is available or more importantly, that is all a person is capable of. You are disparaging people who are willing to work at low paying jobs without knowing why that person may be restricted to a low paying job. On the one hand, you are whining about people collecting assistance and on the other hand whining about them when they work at a low paying job.

Because in the real world humans with brains are suppose to tailor their lifestyle to their income and not leverage their employers to tailor their income to their lifestyle....you understand the concept right? Employers shouldn't be held accountable for Juans lack of intelligence and poor decision making....right?
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs designed for high school kids and the brainless.
If 35 year old Juan and Guadalupe weren't trying to make burger flipping a lifelong career we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Would this be an issue if we sent 10 million or so Juan's and Guadalupe's home with their six anchors?
Doesn't that seem easier?

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

By paying $15 an hour to them people for those types of jobs is absolute insanity… and no company should be forced into that. Like a said, there's no reason whatsoever to own a business if you cannot make profit…

If a company can not exist without the taxpayer subsidizing the payroll they do not belong in business. Perhaps the era of fast food cheap food is over. Perhaps it is time the taxpayer stops subsidizing these businesses.

What went so wrong for you that you people see as so wrong that big boys put on their big boy pants and get big boy jobs to afford a big boy life?

There aren't enough "big boy" jobs to go around. If there were, the working class would not have seen their savings wiped out, wages wouldn't have stagnated for the past 35 years, and 47% of the population wouldn't be receiving public assistance.

 

[koshergrl]

And when the hell did xotoxi start trolling here again?

Ugh.

Suck it, bitch!

Oh please. No sucking required or even indicated.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Because in the real world humans with brains are suppose to tailor their lifestyle to their income and not leverage their employers to tailor their income to their lifestyle....you understand the concept right? Employers shouldn't be held accountable for Juans lack of intelligence and poor decision making....right?
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs designed for high school kids and the brainless.
If 35 year old Juan and Guadalupe weren't trying to make burger flipping a lifelong career we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Would this be an issue if we sent 10 million or so Juan's and Guadalupe's home with their six anchors?
Doesn't that seem easier?

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

By paying $15 an hour to them people for those types of jobs is absolute insanity… and no company should be forced into that. Like a said, there's no reason whatsoever to own a business if you cannot make profit…

If a company can not exist without the taxpayer subsidizing the payroll they do not belong in business. Perhaps the era of fast food cheap food is over. Perhaps it is time the taxpayer stops subsidizing these businesses.

You left something out.
"Perhaps it is time we stop importing low grade humans from the south as we are nearly 100% positive they will have to steal from American taxpayers to survive."

Discussing a topic with a racist that relies on distorting is a waste of time. You even distort other people's comments. That is because you are a genuine asshole and loser. I see no intellect or signs of education in your post.

I know, I know....I'm blunt and very forward...I make too much sense with to few of words. I see no reason to waste time and energy dancing around using clever word play. If you had half a ball sack you'd appreciate anyone who does the same.
I know your type, you get all giddy when you feel engaged in a smart guy contest and when trying to use use smart guy vocabulary. Your just like an attorney. I'll post my education credentials as soon as you post your proof of American citizenship?

 

[Flopper]

The answer has always been retraining. However the type of jobs that are going to be created are going to require extensive education and the ability to adapt to a rapidly changing job market.

Even that's not true. Microsoft has developed an AI technology called DeepCoder which actually writes perfect, flawless code in seconds. A person just has to tell it what they want and the AI cranks out the code for them. So even if one is trained in programming - they will still lose their jobs.

Ultimately all of our problems will be solved for us when the machines are doing all of the work. If a farmer doesn't have to produce the food - you don't need to pay him. A machine doing it for us can result in "free" food (with some stipulations of course). Same with housing, transportation, etc.

No one works and everything is free.

 

[Camp]

You can say that as much as you want. At least show a link that backs up your claim. Otherwise, anyone can look up the general welfare clause and read the exact wording.

Well I just provided two Thomas Jefferson quotes with the exact dates so that you can verify for yourself. But I'll approach this another way:

If the Republican-controlled House, Senate, and White House decide to tomorrow that it is in the best interest of the "general welfare" to execute any and all individuals with a left-wing ideology, would you consider that constitutional and support it completely? Yes or No?

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The legal discussions regarding the clause in question were between Madison and Hamilton. The Hamilton view won out. Halvering vs. Davis was the case that interpreted the issue and still holds as case law today. The federal government can pass legislation and the taxes to support the legislation.

 

[Flopper]

There are no "beginner/temporary jobs", there are only jobs. The myth that only teenagers work at McDonalds or Walmart is just that - a myth. The average age of a those making minimum wage at McDonalds, is 27. Hardly a teenager, or a beginning worker.

All of the jobs my father did as an employee are gone off-shore, or replaced by automation. Many of the jobs I did as a young office clerk have been replaced by automation. I have watched entire sectors of the legal services business disappear with computerization. I have so many clerical skills that no one uses anymore, from my days working for banks before computerization. But workers either evolve or they get left behind.

I'm smart, and a quick study. Acquiring new skills was easy for me, and I have a natural affiliation for computers. In the 1980's I started writing simple legal apps which helped me do my work better and faster than anybody else, and then I started selling them.

Flipping burgers and stocking shelves will never be a "career" and never should be…

Why should those jobs not be careers if that is all that is available or more importantly, that is all a person is capable of. You are disparaging people who are willing to work at low paying jobs without knowing why that person may be restricted to a low paying job. On the one hand, you are whining about people collecting assistance and on the other hand whining about them when they work at a low paying job.

Because in the real world humans with brains are suppose to tailor their lifestyle to their income and not leverage their employers to tailor their income to their lifestyle....you understand the concept right? Employers shouldn't be held accountable for Juans lack of intelligence and poor decision making....right?
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs designed for high school kids and the brainless.
If 35 year old Juan and Guadalupe weren't trying to make burger flipping a lifelong career we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Would this be an issue if we sent 10 million or so Juan's and Guadalupe's home with their six anchors?
Doesn't that seem easier?

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

Hey look...I see little wrong with adults working a child's job for life.
Where it becomes a wrong is when Juan, the burger flipper has six babies he can't afford on his salary then sends me the invoice and or begs and whines about needing more from consumers and taxpayers to pay for his poor decision making. Come on man... you can't be that stupid...not unless you're a Juan yourself?
In the real world if you want more you have to be willing to do more...you can't stand before your peers with a sad face and a hand out every time you want more. Sorry.

The fact is most people, particular young people think that there will be better times ahead. Somehow they will go back school, marry some rich dude, get this incredible job, and live happily ever after. However, with each year there hopes slip away.

Suzy, the waitress marries John who works in the car wash. Suzy's mom gives them money to live on. Then Suzy has a kid. John's decide he prefers drinking with the guys to dirty diapers. Suzy's solution is to have another kid which sends John off to seek his fortune and Suzy is left with a new born and a toddler and no way to support herself. This story is happening every day in very town in the country over and over.

 

[Dragonlady]

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

By paying $15 an hour to them people for those types of jobs is absolute insanity… and no company should be forced into that. Like a said, there's no reason whatsoever to own a business if you cannot make profit…

If a company can not exist without the taxpayer subsidizing the payroll they do not belong in business. Perhaps the era of fast food cheap food is over. Perhaps it is time the taxpayer stops subsidizing these businesses.

You left something out.
"Perhaps it is time we stop importing low grade humans from the south as we are nearly 100% positive they will have to steal from American taxpayers to survive."

Discussing a topic with a racist that relies on distorting is a waste of time. You even distort other people's comments. That is because you are a genuine asshole and loser. I see no intellect or signs of education in your post.

I know, I know....I'm blunt and very forward...I make too much sense with to few of words. I see no reason to waste time and energy dancing around using clever word play. If you had half a ball sack you'd appreciate anyone who does the same.
I know your type, you get all giddy when you feel engaged in a smart guy contest and when trying to use use smart guy vocabulary. Your just like an attorney. I'll post my education credentials as soon as you post your proof of American citizenship?

No, you make no sense at all, but you certainly live up to your user name - broke loser. You blame everyone but yourself for your choices.

I don't expect people with low end jobs to be paid enough to enjoy the American dream or even own a house, but I do expect them to be paid enough to keep a modest roof over their heads, food in their bellies, and for medicine if they're sick, because taxpayers should not have to support your employees. Especially if your executives are being paid 8 figure salaries.

 

[ricechickie]

You would think the government would start promoting homosexuality as a cost-cutting measure. Gay sex means no pregnancies.

BINGO...You may be on to something there....haha.
Hell, I'm all for it so long as it stays among and within Blacks and Hispanics. Because they reproduce such total awesomeness....haha

Can you say anything without being a total fucking racist reprobate?

Only a sackless pussy would mask the truth out of fear of being considered a racist. The truth always prevails for me...Sorry, I know how you guys hate truth and facts.

You love facts so much, embrace the fact that you are a racist.

Maybe you don't wear a white hood, but you see the world the way they'd have you see it.

Fact.

I see no color...I see people whom are part of the solution and people whom are part of the problem...I despise white piece of shits all the same.
"Your people" tend to represent a greater percentage of the problem and I'm smart enough and not scared to stereotype.

Who are my people BrokeLoser ?

 

[xotoxi]

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

Hey look...I see little wrong with adults working a child's job for life.
Where it becomes a wrong is when Juan, the burger flipper has six babies he can't afford on his salary then sends me the invoice and or begs and whines about needing more from consumers and taxpayers to pay for his poor decision making. Come on man... you can't be that stupid...not unless you're a Juan yourself?
In the real world if you want more you have to be willing to do more...you can't stand before your peers with a sad face and a hand out every time you want more. Sorry.

But what can you do about that?

And just to be clear, the adult burger flipper is more likely to be a Randy than a Juan.

NEGATIVE.
ShaQuita and Guadalupe are far more likely to be burger flipping lifers.

Minimum Wage workers according to the document linked below:
(see page 4)
White: 60,245,000
Black: 10.669,000
Hispanic: 15,301,000

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/mi...racteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf

For every black minimum wage employee in this country, there are 6 white minimum wage employees.
For every hispanic minimum wage employee in this country, there are 4 white minimum wage employees.

Therefore, my statement is correct: "the adult burger flipper is more likely to be a Randy than a Juan."

Let's talk per capita...only fools assess data any other way.

Why per capita? If you walked into any random Burger King in the country (because McDonald's is disgusting), the MOST LIKELY race of the burger flipper would be white. End of story.

 

[xotoxi]

You would think the government would start promoting homosexuality as a cost-cutting measure. Gay sex means no pregnancies.

BINGO...You may be on to something there....haha.
Hell, I'm all for it so long as it stays among and within Blacks and Hispanics. Because they reproduce such total awesomeness....haha

Can you say anything without being a total fucking racist reprobate?

Only a sackless pussy would mask the truth out of fear of being considered a racist. The truth always prevails for me...Sorry, I know how you guys hate truth and facts.

You love facts so much, embrace the fact that you are a racist.

Maybe you don't wear a white hood, but you see the world the way they'd have you see it.

Fact.

I see no color...I see people whom are part of the solution and people whom are part of the problem...I despise white piece of shits all the same.
"Your people" tend to represent a greater percentage of the problem and I'm smart enough and not scared to stereotype.

You need a lesson in statistics.

If by "problem" you are referring to government assistance, then THE GREATEST percentage of people on government assistance are WHITE. That's an absolute, indisputable face.

(If you want to argue that the percentage of the black (or hispanic) population on government assistance is greater than the percentage of the white population on government assistance, then you may be correct...but that is not the argument you are trying to make.)

 

[koshergrl]

BINGO...You may be on to something there....haha.
Hell, I'm all for it so long as it stays among and within Blacks and Hispanics. Because they reproduce such total awesomeness....haha

Can you say anything without being a total fucking racist reprobate?

Only a sackless pussy would mask the truth out of fear of being considered a racist. The truth always prevails for me...Sorry, I know how you guys hate truth and facts.

You love facts so much, embrace the fact that you are a racist.

Maybe you don't wear a white hood, but you see the world the way they'd have you see it.

Fact.

I see no color...I see people whom are part of the solution and people whom are part of the problem...I despise white piece of shits all the same.
"Your people" tend to represent a greater percentage of the problem and I'm smart enough and not scared to stereotype.

You need a lesson in statistics.

If by "problem" you are referring to government assistance, then THE GREATEST percentage of people on government assistance are WHITE. That's an absolute, indisputable face.

(If you want to argue that the percentage of the black (or hispanic) population on government assistance is greater than the percentage of the white population on government assistance, then you may be correct...but that is not the argument you are trying to make.)

Oh god not this again.

Yes there are more white people, because there are more white people.

Proportionally, however, blacks have a much higher rate of criminality, and welfare dependence. Which is where the stereotypes come from. If you meet a black woman at the supermarket, she is much more likely to be receiving federal assistance than a white woman you meet. She is much more likely to have a rap sheet, as well. Also more likely to be a dropout and a drug addict.

But when you talk totals...well there are more white people. A lot more. That's changing, though. Despite the planned parenthood targeting of minorities, they still get more money from the government for having the kids than they do for killing them, so most are highly motivated to fuck like bunnies, and keep those babies.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

What can and or will be done about it politically?
In keeping with current board rhetoric let's not be scared to get real honest here.
Our poor are our worst parents...they create more of their same.
Our poor suck the most government tit.
Our poor commits the most crime.
Our poor does the most drugs.
Our poor drinks and smokes the most.
Our poor have the most children they can't afford.
Our poor litters and vandalizes the most.
Our poor drives uninsured.
Our poor commits the most animal cruelty.
I could go on and on...and no Libby's, let's not deflect and divert to Wall Street criminals, big corporations..blah, blah, blah...Let's get real, let's get serious about our taxpayer draining bottom feeders....Whatta ya say?

You're an idiot. This country's total household wealth was drained of $19,200,000,000,000 by the big banks and their arbitrary mortgage crisis in 2008. That made for a whole lot of new poor people who got fucking mad about it and those poor people retaliated by voting for Trump. You're a loser all right.

 

[koshergrl]

What can and or will be done about it politically?
In keeping with current board rhetoric let's not be scared to get real honest here.
Our poor are our worst parents...they create more of their same.
Our poor suck the most government tit.
Our poor commits the most crime.
Our poor does the most drugs.
Our poor drinks and smokes the most.
Our poor have the most children they can't afford.
Our poor litters and vandalizes the most.
Our poor drives uninsured.
Our poor commits the most animal cruelty.
I could go on and on...and no Libby's, let's not deflect and divert to Wall Street criminals, big corporations..blah, blah, blah...Let's get real, let's get serious about our taxpayer draining bottom feeders....Whatta ya say?

You're an idiot. This country's total household wealth was drained of $19,200,000,000,000 by the big banks and their arbitrary mortgage crisis in 2008. That made for a whole lot of new poor people who got fucking mad about it and those poor people retaliated by voting for Trump. You're a loser all right.

Oh look, more progressive ass numbers.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

Our poor are our worst parents...they create more of their same.

The rich are worse

Our poor suck the most government tit.

The rich are worse

Our poor commits the most crime.

The rich are worse

Our poor does the most drugs.

The rich are worse

Our poor litters and vandalizes the most.

The rich are worse

Our poor commits the most animal cruelty.

The rich are worse

let's not deflect and divert to Wall Street criminals, big corporations..blah, blah, blah...Let's get real, let's get serious about our taxpayer draining bottom feeders....Whatta ya say?

It's not deflection if it is true. The rich raise sniveling entitled brats. They recieve more subsidies and breaks than everyone else. Most of them do cocaine and other hard drugs. They destroy ecosystems to put up their luxury mansions and mega-malls. They consume and monopolize the most resources. They slaughter trillions of animals each year to package into food products and market to fat American consumers.

Just the facts.

WOW...some of you are so predictable.
Not sure where you're from bud...but here in Southern California even the blind and retarded can see where our problems lie.

Then that explains why you're deaf and dumb.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Hey look...I see little wrong with adults working a child's job for life.
Where it becomes a wrong is when Juan, the burger flipper has six babies he can't afford on his salary then sends me the invoice and or begs and whines about needing more from consumers and taxpayers to pay for his poor decision making. Come on man... you can't be that stupid...not unless you're a Juan yourself?
In the real world if you want more you have to be willing to do more...you can't stand before your peers with a sad face and a hand out every time you want more. Sorry.

But what can you do about that?

And just to be clear, the adult burger flipper is more likely to be a Randy than a Juan.

NEGATIVE.
ShaQuita and Guadalupe are far more likely to be burger flipping lifers.

Minimum Wage workers according to the document linked below:
(see page 4)
White: 60,245,000
Black: 10.669,000
Hispanic: 15,301,000

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/mi...racteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf

For every black minimum wage employee in this country, there are 6 white minimum wage employees.
For every hispanic minimum wage employee in this country, there are 4 white minimum wage employees.

Therefore, my statement is correct: "the adult burger flipper is more likely to be a Randy than a Juan."

Let's talk per capita...only fools assess data any other way.

Why per capita? If you walked into any random Burger King in the country (because McDonald's is disgusting), the MOST LIKELY race of the burger flipper would be white. End of story.

The white would be a 16-18 year old high school kid
ShaQuita and Guadalupe would be in their thirties with four children and three baby daddy's.
(Your cue to cry racist)

BINGO...You may be on to something there....haha.
Hell, I'm all for it so long as it stays among and within Blacks and Hispanics. Because they reproduce such total awesomeness....haha

Can you say anything without being a total fucking racist reprobate?

Only a sackless pussy would mask the truth out of fear of being considered a racist. The truth always prevails for me...Sorry, I know how you guys hate truth and facts.

You love facts so much, embrace the fact that you are a racist.

Maybe you don't wear a white hood, but you see the world the way they'd have you see it.

Fact.

I see no color...I see people whom are part of the solution and people whom are part of the problem...I despise white piece of shits all the same.
"Your people" tend to represent a greater percentage of the problem and I'm smart enough and not scared to stereotype.

You need a lesson in statistics.

If by "problem" you are referring to government assistance, then THE GREATEST percentage of people on government assistance are WHITE. That's an absolute, indisputable face.

(If you want to argue that the percentage of the black (or hispanic) population on government assistance is greater than the percentage of the white population on government assistance, then you may be correct...but that is not the argument you are trying to make.)

Your throwing your typical twisted Liberal framing around shit...that's what you do....and you're losing credibility here fast ....Let me enlighten you at no charge. Here's your lesson in per capita factoring...pretty simple stuff for anyone with an iQ over 12.
Here's some facts from a credible source: 21.3% of US Participates in Government Assistance Programs Each Month
Who Participated in Welfare?
The black population: At 41.6 percent, blacks were more likely to participate in government assistance programs in an average month.
o The black participation rate was followed by Hispanics at 36.4 percent, Asians or Pacific
Islanders at 17.8 percent, and non-Hispanic whites at 13.2 percent.

 

[Flopper]

You are simply refusing to recognize the part of the Constitution, Article 1 Sec. 5 Claus 1, that gives Congress the right and duty to provide for the general welfare and that it is Congress's prerogative of how it does that. Your entire concept is based on Congress not having that Constitutional Right and obligation to provide for the general welfare.

I've covered this five dozen times over the past few days (at least a dozen on this thread alone).

The "general welfare" clause specifically refers to the 18 enumerated powers Congress is explicitly restricted to. This is cut and dry, black and white. You're desperate to convince the masses of something that simply isn't true.

Article 1 Section 8 Clause 1:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

If the clause was simply referring to the 18 enumerated powers of Congress it would not make any sense because the enumerated powers are listed in clause one and the following clauses. The Supreme Court explanation in 1833 is the proper interpretation. It held that taxing powers of the United States includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government.

The Supreme Court held the understanding of the General Welfare Clause contained in the Taxing and Spending Clause adheres to the construction given it by Associate Justice Joseph Story in his 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States.[5][6] Justice Story concluded that the General Welfare Clause is not a grant of general legislative power,[5][7] but a qualification on the taxing power[5][8][9] which includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government.
General welfare clause - Wikipedia

 

[Rustic]

Because in the real world humans with brains are suppose to tailor their lifestyle to their income and not leverage their employers to tailor their income to their lifestyle....you understand the concept right? Employers shouldn't be held accountable for Juans lack of intelligence and poor decision making....right?
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs designed for high school kids and the brainless.
If 35 year old Juan and Guadalupe weren't trying to make burger flipping a lifelong career we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Would this be an issue if we sent 10 million or so Juan's and Guadalupe's home with their six anchors?
Doesn't that seem easier?

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

By paying $15 an hour to them people for those types of jobs is absolute insanity… and no company should be forced into that. Like a said, there's no reason whatsoever to own a business if you cannot make profit…

If a company can not exist without the taxpayer subsidizing the payroll they do not belong in business. Perhaps the era of fast food cheap food is over. Perhaps it is time the taxpayer stops subsidizing these businesses.

What went so wrong for you that you people see as so wrong that big boys put on their big boy pants and get big boy jobs to afford a big boy life?

There aren't enough "big boy" jobs to go around. If there were, the working class would not have seen their savings wiped out, wages wouldn't have stagnated for the past 35 years, and 47% of the population wouldn't be receiving public assistance.

That does not mean businesss should be paying starter/beginner jobs the same as careers…

 

[koshergrl]

You are simply refusing to recognize the part of the Constitution, Article 1 Sec. 5 Claus 1, that gives Congress the right and duty to provide for the general welfare and that it is Congress's prerogative of how it does that. Your entire concept is based on Congress not having that Constitutional Right and obligation to provide for the general welfare.

I've covered this five dozen times over the past few days (at least a dozen on this thread alone).

The "general welfare" clause specifically refers to the 18 enumerated powers Congress is explicitly restricted to. This is cut and dry, black and white. You're desperate to convince the masses of something that simply isn't true.

Article 1 Section 8 Clause 1:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

If the clause was simply referring to the 18 enumerated powers of Congress it would not make any sense because the enumerated powers are listed in clause one and the following clauses. The Supreme Court explanation in 1833 is the proper interpretation. It held that taxing powers of the United States includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government.

The Supreme Court held the understanding of the General Welfare Clause contained in the Taxing and Spending Clause adheres to the construction given it by Associate Justice Joseph Story in his 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States.[5][6] Justice Story concluded that the General Welfare Clause is not a grant of general legislative power,[5][7] but a qualification on the taxing power[5][8][9] which includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government.
General welfare clause - Wikipedia

Food stamps are not of "general interest to the federal government".