How do we stop "the poor" from being so problematic?

[Camp]

There are no "beginner/temporary jobs", there are only jobs. The myth that only teenagers work at McDonalds or Walmart is just that - a myth. The average age of a those making minimum wage at McDonalds, is 27. Hardly a teenager, or a beginning worker.

All of the jobs my father did as an employee are gone off-shore, or replaced by automation. Many of the jobs I did as a young office clerk have been replaced by automation. I have watched entire sectors of the legal services business disappear with computerization. I have so many clerical skills that no one uses anymore, from my days working for banks before computerization. But workers either evolve or they get left behind.

I'm smart, and a quick study. Acquiring new skills was easy for me, and I have a natural affiliation for computers. In the 1980's I started writing simple legal apps which helped me do my work better and faster than anybody else, and then I started selling them.

Flipping burgers and stocking shelves will never be a "career" and never should be…

Why should those jobs not be careers if that is all that is available or more importantly, that is all a person is capable of. You are disparaging people who are willing to work at low paying jobs without knowing why that person may be restricted to a low paying job. On the one hand, you are whining about people collecting assistance and on the other hand whining about them when they work at a low paying job.

Because in the real world humans with brains are suppose to tailor their lifestyle to their income and not leverage their employers to tailor their income to their lifestyle....you understand the concept right? Employers shouldn't be held accountable for Juans lack of intelligence and poor decision making....right?
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs designed for high school kids and the brainless.
If 35 year old Juan and Guadalupe weren't trying to make burger flipping a lifelong career we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Would this be an issue if we sent 10 million or so Juan's and Guadalupe's home with their six anchors?
Doesn't that seem easier?

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

By paying $15 an hour to them people for those types of jobs is absolute insanity… and no company should be forced into that. Like a said, there's no reason whatsoever to own a business if you cannot make profit…

If a company can not exist without the taxpayer subsidizing the payroll they do not belong in business. Perhaps the era of fast food cheap food is over. Perhaps it is time the taxpayer stops subsidizing these businesses.

 

[xotoxi]

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

By paying $15 an hour to them people for those types of jobs is absolute insanity… and no company should be forced into that. Like a said, there's no reason whatsoever to own a business if you cannot make profit…

I never said they should make $15 per hour...but they need to have money to live. Where should that money come from? The employer? The government? Should those people just die in the streets?

Hand them a free fishing pole, a tent and a free bus ride to a resource rich forest of their choice....It would be like the old days when adults had to fend for themselves...before suckers would drop free shit in the laps of begging bottom feeders.

You would like to force hundreds of thousands...or even millions...of poor adults to leave the city or town in which they live and move into the woods and live off the land?

Are you going to flip your own burgers and collect your own trash?

That would be awesome!
We have plenty of willing, real American 16 year olds who have been edged out of gaining work experience because Juan and Guadalupe have had a stranglehold on brainless jobs.

And they would work these jobs for 2 years before they either go to college or get banished to the woods.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Flipping burgers and stocking shelves will never be a "career" and never should be…

Why should those jobs not be careers if that is all that is available or more importantly, that is all a person is capable of. You are disparaging people who are willing to work at low paying jobs without knowing why that person may be restricted to a low paying job. On the one hand, you are whining about people collecting assistance and on the other hand whining about them when they work at a low paying job.

Because in the real world humans with brains are suppose to tailor their lifestyle to their income and not leverage their employers to tailor their income to their lifestyle....you understand the concept right? Employers shouldn't be held accountable for Juans lack of intelligence and poor decision making....right?
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs designed for high school kids and the brainless.
If 35 year old Juan and Guadalupe weren't trying to make burger flipping a lifelong career we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Would this be an issue if we sent 10 million or so Juan's and Guadalupe's home with their six anchors?
Doesn't that seem easier?

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

By paying $15 an hour to them people for those types of jobs is absolute insanity… and no company should be forced into that. Like a said, there's no reason whatsoever to own a business if you cannot make profit…

If a company can not exist without the taxpayer subsidizing the payroll they do not belong in business. Perhaps the era of fast food cheap food is over. Perhaps it is time the taxpayer stops subsidizing these businesses.

What went so wrong for you that you people see as so wrong that big boys put on their big boy pants and get big boy jobs to afford a big boy life?

 

[koshergrl]

Because in the real world humans with brains are suppose to tailor their lifestyle to their income and not leverage their employers to tailor their income to their lifestyle....you understand the concept right? Employers shouldn't be held accountable for Juans lack of intelligence and poor decision making....right?
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs designed for high school kids and the brainless.
If 35 year old Juan and Guadalupe weren't trying to make burger flipping a lifelong career we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Would this be an issue if we sent 10 million or so Juan's and Guadalupe's home with their six anchors?
Doesn't that seem easier?

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

By paying $15 an hour to them people for those types of jobs is absolute insanity… and no company should be forced into that. Like a said, there's no reason whatsoever to own a business if you cannot make profit…

I never said they should make $15 per hour...but they need to have money to live. Where should that money come from? The employer? The government? Should those people just die in the streets?

Hand them a free fishing pole, a tent and a free bus ride to a resource rich forest of their choice....It would be like the old days when adults had to fend for themselves...before suckers would drop free shit in the laps of begging bottom feeders.

You would like to force hundreds of thousands...or even millions...of poor adults to leave the city or town in which they live and move into the woods and live off the land?

Are you going to flip your own burgers and collect your own trash?

They won't migrate out to the public lands because they are not capable of living off them. Besides once the gravy train stops, they will get jobs.

I guarantee it.

 

[ricechickie]

Are you struggling to wrap your little tiny peanut brain around the difference between having sex and having a child?
See how you whackos think...having sex automatically means having a child....haha...you poor, lost and confused low-life's

Does that mean that the Federal Department of Reproduction would only have jurisdiction over planned pregnancies? Unintended pregnancies would be exempt from Federal approval?

Or would a pregnancy that did not have Federal clearance be considered a felony? Or maybe the pregnancy would be aborted by the government?

You are correct that having sex does not automatically mean having a child...but for every child born, sex was had.

You would think the government would start promoting homosexuality as a cost-cutting measure. Gay sex means no pregnancies.

BINGO...You may be on to something there....haha.
Hell, I'm all for it so long as it stays among and within Blacks and Hispanics. Because they reproduce such total awesomeness....haha

Can you say anything without being a total fucking racist reprobate?

Only a sackless pussy would mask the truth out of fear of being considered a racist. The truth always prevails for me...Sorry, I know how you guys hate truth and facts.

You love facts so much, embrace the fact that you are a racist.

Maybe you don't wear a white hood, but you see the world the way they'd have you see it.

Fact.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Flipping burgers and stocking shelves will never be a "career" and never should be…

Why should those jobs not be careers if that is all that is available or more importantly, that is all a person is capable of. You are disparaging people who are willing to work at low paying jobs without knowing why that person may be restricted to a low paying job. On the one hand, you are whining about people collecting assistance and on the other hand whining about them when they work at a low paying job.

Because in the real world humans with brains are suppose to tailor their lifestyle to their income and not leverage their employers to tailor their income to their lifestyle....you understand the concept right? Employers shouldn't be held accountable for Juans lack of intelligence and poor decision making....right?
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs designed for high school kids and the brainless.
If 35 year old Juan and Guadalupe weren't trying to make burger flipping a lifelong career we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Would this be an issue if we sent 10 million or so Juan's and Guadalupe's home with their six anchors?
Doesn't that seem easier?

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

By paying $15 an hour to them people for those types of jobs is absolute insanity… and no company should be forced into that. Like a said, there's no reason whatsoever to own a business if you cannot make profit…

If a company can not exist without the taxpayer subsidizing the payroll they do not belong in business. Perhaps the era of fast food cheap food is over. Perhaps it is time the taxpayer stops subsidizing these businesses.

You left something out.
"Perhaps it is time we stop importing low grade humans from the south as we are nearly 100% positive they will have to steal from American taxpayers to survive."

 

[Camp]

Then the government should provide assistance.

Based on what? Where is it written that government "should" provide assistance? Sure as hell is not in the U.S. Constitution.

You are simply refusing to recognize the part of the Constitution, Article 1 Sec. 5 Claus 1, that gives Congress the right and duty to provide for the general welfare and that it is Congress's prerogative of how it does that. Your entire concept is based on Congress not having that Constitutional Right and obligation to provide for the general welfare. Without your misrepresentation of Congressional authority, your entire idea is made null and void and just a silly uneducated poke at reality.

 

[P@triot]

Then the government should provide assistance.

Based on what? Where is it written that government "should" provide assistance? Sure as hell is not in the U.S. Constitution.

Then the employer should provide assistance.

Again I have to ask - based on what? Where is it written that an employer "should" provide assistance? I'm not being sarcastic - this is a serious question. Where does this origin of debt originate from (i.e. that the employer owes something additional - above their employment argreement)?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Flipping burgers and stocking shelves will never be a "career" and never should be…

Why should those jobs not be careers if that is all that is available or more importantly, that is all a person is capable of. You are disparaging people who are willing to work at low paying jobs without knowing why that person may be restricted to a low paying job. On the one hand, you are whining about people collecting assistance and on the other hand whining about them when they work at a low paying job.

Because in the real world humans with brains are suppose to tailor their lifestyle to their income and not leverage their employers to tailor their income to their lifestyle....you understand the concept right? Employers shouldn't be held accountable for Juans lack of intelligence and poor decision making....right?
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs designed for high school kids and the brainless.
If 35 year old Juan and Guadalupe weren't trying to make burger flipping a lifelong career we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Would this be an issue if we sent 10 million or so Juan's and Guadalupe's home with their six anchors?
Doesn't that seem easier?

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

Hey look...I see little wrong with adults working a child's job for life.
Where it becomes a wrong is when Juan, the burger flipper has six babies he can't afford on his salary then sends me the invoice and or begs and whines about needing more from consumers and taxpayers to pay for his poor decision making. Come on man... you can't be that stupid...not unless you're a Juan yourself?
In the real world if you want more you have to be willing to do more...you can't stand before your peers with a sad face and a hand out every time you want more. Sorry.

But what can you do about that?

And just to be clear, the adult burger flipper is more likely to be a Randy than a Juan.

NEGATIVE.
ShaQuita and Guadalupe are far more likely to be burger flipping lifers.

 

[P@triot]

You are simply refusing to recognize the part of the Constitution, Article 1 Sec. 5 Claus 1, that gives Congress the right and duty to provide for the general welfare and that it is Congress's prerogative of how it does that. Your entire concept is based on Congress not having that Constitutional Right and obligation to provide for the general welfare.

I've covered this five dozen times over the past few days (at least a dozen on this thread alone).

The "general welfare" clause specifically refers to the 18 enumerated powers Congress is explicitly restricted to. This is cut and dry, black and white. You're desperate to convince the masses of something that simply isn't true.

 

[Camp]

Why should those jobs not be careers if that is all that is available or more importantly, that is all a person is capable of. You are disparaging people who are willing to work at low paying jobs without knowing why that person may be restricted to a low paying job. On the one hand, you are whining about people collecting assistance and on the other hand whining about them when they work at a low paying job.

Because in the real world humans with brains are suppose to tailor their lifestyle to their income and not leverage their employers to tailor their income to their lifestyle....you understand the concept right? Employers shouldn't be held accountable for Juans lack of intelligence and poor decision making....right?
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs designed for high school kids and the brainless.
If 35 year old Juan and Guadalupe weren't trying to make burger flipping a lifelong career we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Would this be an issue if we sent 10 million or so Juan's and Guadalupe's home with their six anchors?
Doesn't that seem easier?

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

By paying $15 an hour to them people for those types of jobs is absolute insanity… and no company should be forced into that. Like a said, there's no reason whatsoever to own a business if you cannot make profit…

If a company can not exist without the taxpayer subsidizing the payroll they do not belong in business. Perhaps the era of fast food cheap food is over. Perhaps it is time the taxpayer stops subsidizing these businesses.

You left something out.
"Perhaps it is time we stop importing low grade humans from the south as we are nearly 100% positive they will have to steal from American taxpayers to survive."

Discussing a topic with a racist that relies on distorting is a waste of time. You even distort other people's comments. That is because you are a genuine asshole and loser. I see no intellect or signs of education in your post.

 

[P@triot]

You are simply refusing to recognize the part of the Constitution, Article 1 Sec. 5 Claus 1, that gives Congress the right and duty to provide for the general welfare and that it is Congress's prerogative of how it does that. Your entire concept is based on Congress not having that Constitutional Right and obligation to provide for the general welfare.

Here is none other than Thomas Jefferson himself proving that you're a liar:

“Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action” - Thomas Jefferson (June 6, 1817)


“[We] disavow, and declare to be most false and unfounded, the doctrine that the [Constitution], in authorizing its federal branch to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States, has given them thereby a power to do whatever they may think, or pretend, would promote the general welfare–which construction would make that of itself a complete government, without limitation of powers.… The plain sense and obvious meaning were that they might levy the taxes necessary to provide for the general welfare by the various acts of power therein specified and delegated to them, and by no others. – Thomas Jefferson (December 24, 1825)

Still want to keep going with your false narrative, snowflake? Because I can do this all day long.

 

[Camp]

You are simply refusing to recognize the part of the Constitution, Article 1 Sec. 5 Claus 1, that gives Congress the right and duty to provide for the general welfare and that it is Congress's prerogative of how it does that. Your entire concept is based on Congress not having that Constitutional Right and obligation to provide for the general welfare.

I've covered this five dozen times over the past few days (at least a dozen on this thread alone).

The "general welfare" clause specifically refers to the 18 enumerated powers Congress is explicitly restricted to. This is cut and dry, black and white. You're desperate to convince the masses of something that simply isn't true.

You can say that as much as you want. At least show a link that backs up your claim. Otherwise, anyone can look up the general welfare clause and read the exact wording.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Does that mean that the Federal Department of Reproduction would only have jurisdiction over planned pregnancies? Unintended pregnancies would be exempt from Federal approval?

Or would a pregnancy that did not have Federal clearance be considered a felony? Or maybe the pregnancy would be aborted by the government?

You are correct that having sex does not automatically mean having a child...but for every child born, sex was had.

You would think the government would start promoting homosexuality as a cost-cutting measure. Gay sex means no pregnancies.

BINGO...You may be on to something there....haha.
Hell, I'm all for it so long as it stays among and within Blacks and Hispanics. Because they reproduce such total awesomeness....haha

Can you say anything without being a total fucking racist reprobate?

Only a sackless pussy would mask the truth out of fear of being considered a racist. The truth always prevails for me...Sorry, I know how you guys hate truth and facts.

You love facts so much, embrace the fact that you are a racist.

Maybe you don't wear a white hood, but you see the world the way they'd have you see it.

Fact.

I see no color...I see people whom are part of the solution and people whom are part of the problem...I despise white piece of shits all the same.
"Your people" tend to represent a greater percentage of the problem and I'm smart enough and not scared to stereotype.

 

[P@triot]

You can say that as much as you want. At least show a link that backs up your claim. Otherwise, anyone can look up the general welfare clause and read the exact wording.

Well I just provided two Thomas Jefferson quotes with the exact dates so that you can verify for yourself. But I'll approach this another way:

If the Republican-controlled House, Senate, and White House decide to tomorrow that it is in the best interest of the "general welfare" to execute any and all individuals with a left-wing ideology, would you consider that constitutional and support it completely? Yes or No?

 

[xotoxi]

Why should those jobs not be careers if that is all that is available or more importantly, that is all a person is capable of. You are disparaging people who are willing to work at low paying jobs without knowing why that person may be restricted to a low paying job. On the one hand, you are whining about people collecting assistance and on the other hand whining about them when they work at a low paying job.

Because in the real world humans with brains are suppose to tailor their lifestyle to their income and not leverage their employers to tailor their income to their lifestyle....you understand the concept right? Employers shouldn't be held accountable for Juans lack of intelligence and poor decision making....right?
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs designed for high school kids and the brainless.
If 35 year old Juan and Guadalupe weren't trying to make burger flipping a lifelong career we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Would this be an issue if we sent 10 million or so Juan's and Guadalupe's home with their six anchors?
Doesn't that seem easier?

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

Hey look...I see little wrong with adults working a child's job for life.
Where it becomes a wrong is when Juan, the burger flipper has six babies he can't afford on his salary then sends me the invoice and or begs and whines about needing more from consumers and taxpayers to pay for his poor decision making. Come on man... you can't be that stupid...not unless you're a Juan yourself?
In the real world if you want more you have to be willing to do more...you can't stand before your peers with a sad face and a hand out every time you want more. Sorry.

But what can you do about that?

And just to be clear, the adult burger flipper is more likely to be a Randy than a Juan.

NEGATIVE.
ShaQuita and Guadalupe are far more likely to be burger flipping lifers.

Minimum Wage workers according to the document linked below:
(see page 4)
White: 60,245,000
Black: 10.669,000
Hispanic: 15,301,000

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/mi...racteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf

For every black minimum wage employee in this country, there are 6 white minimum wage employees.
For every hispanic minimum wage employee in this country, there are 4 white minimum wage employees.

Therefore, my statement is correct: "the adult burger flipper is more likely to be a Randy than a Juan."

 

[koshergrl]

And when the hell did xotoxi start trolling here again?

Ugh.

 

[xotoxi]

You are simply refusing to recognize the part of the Constitution, Article 1 Sec. 5 Claus 1, that gives Congress the right and duty to provide for the general welfare and that it is Congress's prerogative of how it does that. Your entire concept is based on Congress not having that Constitutional Right and obligation to provide for the general welfare.

Here is none other than Thomas Jefferson himself proving that you're a liar:

“Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action” - Thomas Jefferson (June 6, 1817)


“[We] disavow, and declare to be most false and unfounded, the doctrine that the [Constitution], in authorizing its federal branch to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States, has given them thereby a power to do whatever they may think, or pretend, would promote the general welfare–which construction would make that of itself a complete government, without limitation of powers.… The plain sense and obvious meaning were that they might levy the taxes necessary to provide for the general welfare by the various acts of power therein specified and delegated to them, and by no others. – Thomas Jefferson (December 24, 1825)

Still want to keep going with your false narrative, snowflake? Because I can do this all day long.

The quotes above are not in the constitution.

 

[xotoxi]

And when the hell did xotoxi start trolling here again?

Ugh.

Suck it, bitch!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Flipping burgers and stocking shelves will never be a "career" and never should be…

Why should those jobs not be careers if that is all that is available or more importantly, that is all a person is capable of. You are disparaging people who are willing to work at low paying jobs without knowing why that person may be restricted to a low paying job. On the one hand, you are whining about people collecting assistance and on the other hand whining about them when they work at a low paying job.

Because in the real world humans with brains are suppose to tailor their lifestyle to their income and not leverage their employers to tailor their income to their lifestyle....you understand the concept right? Employers shouldn't be held accountable for Juans lack of intelligence and poor decision making....right?
Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs designed for high school kids and the brainless.
If 35 year old Juan and Guadalupe weren't trying to make burger flipping a lifelong career we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Would this be an issue if we sent 10 million or so Juan's and Guadalupe's home with their six anchors?
Doesn't that seem easier?

How many people out there that are flipping burgers as adults do you think have the intelligence to do anything more complex?

There are a lot of adults that are simply not smart, and it does not mean that they are lazy or they don't apply themselves or don't try hard. It means that they are not smart. And if flipping burgers, or collecting trash, or sweeping the floor is the best they can do, that's great. You should thank them for it, rather than telling them that they are a drain on society and they should try to make something of themselves.

By paying $15 an hour to them people for those types of jobs is absolute insanity… and no company should be forced into that. Like a said, there's no reason whatsoever to own a business if you cannot make profit…

If a company can not exist without the taxpayer subsidizing the payroll they do not belong in business. Perhaps the era of fast food cheap food is over. Perhaps it is time the taxpayer stops subsidizing these businesses.

They shouldn't be no matter if their wage is three dollars an hour or twenty. But don't blame the employer for that, blame your friendly neighborhood Democrat politician for that.