How do we fix this?

[Resnic]

I was just watching some video of deluded Trump supporters who were at the Capital on 1/6. Repeating all the usual myths about voting machines being hooked up to the internet, votes gone missing, votes being changed, a rehash of the false accusations Trump made for months. A rehash of the untruths pushed on Faux about the Dominion machines. Not to pick on Faux. Many right wing media outlets reinforced the charges of voter fraud either directly or by innuendo. Many still are.

Millions of Trump's base supporters still believe this, as Bill Barr said, "bullshit."

We can't have a significant percent of the population be detached from reality if we are going to successfully govern ourselves. Self governance requires hard work, participation, being informed on the issues no matter what your position on them is. It requires informed debate so people get a chance to hear both sides of the issues we need to design solutions for.

At this point, we have become dysfunctional in our collective ability to debate issues because we can't agree what the facts are. How can we shore up our election procedures to ensure fairness if we can't agree what the problems are? How can we solve the problem of climate change if we can't even agree it's a problem?

I offer no solutions because I am pessimistic about the efficacy of available remedies. The reason, the mixed messages from media outlets leaving their audiences with a choice of which narrative to consume and therefore believe. One side saying Trump won the election, climate change in the era we now live in is not man made, gun control equates to gun confiscation, and more outrageous falsehoods like China owns Biden, Obama is a Muslim, and Dem's eat babies. Unfortunately, many on the Right have become the political equivalent of National Enquirer readers. Attracted by sensationalism and absent critical thought.

For those optimists out there who disagree with me, I invite you to read the replies from the conservatives on the board.

Sounds like "I'm painting myself as open minded and willing to listen because we have a mutual problem. But really I only want to hear replies I agree with because I don't like trump or conservatives."

But I'll play a long.

1 hand count ballots under scrutiny. No electronic voting machines.

2 no more mail in ballots unless you live outside X amount of miles from a voting center, over a certain age or disabled or stationed outside the United States.

2A when elections open you must register and verify in person or via phone 90 days prior to the elections and the cut off date is 14 days prior to the election so they can be mailed out and recieved in time.

2B all mail in votes must be counted and put in the system before in person ballots can be counted and once mail in ballots are counted that's it, no more. None of this "we found some mail ins behind a file cabinet at 3am".

3 a state issued ID or government issued ID is required for all voting. If you can't even manage to get a 3 dollar state ID you shouldn't be voting.

4 only American citizens can vote in any election and citizenship must be held for atleast 5 years prior to voting.

5 all ballots must be stored and sealed in boxes and can't be opened unless a investigation is issued and must be kept until the next election at which time they can be destroyed.

 

[Oddball]

Sounds like "I'm painting myself as open minded and willing to listen because we have a mutual problem. But really I only want to hear replies I agree with because I don't like trump or conservatives."

But I'll play a long.

1 hand count ballots under scrutiny. No electronic voting machines.

2 no more mail in ballots unless you live outside X amount of miles from a voting center, over a certain age or disabled or stationed outside the United States.

2A when elections open you must register and verify in person or via phone 90 days prior to the elections and the cut off date is 14 days prior to the election so they can be mailed out and recieved in time.

2B all mail in votes must be counted and put in the system before in person ballots can be counted and once mail in ballots are counted that's it, no more. None of this "we found some mail ins behind a file cabinet at 3am".

3 a state issued ID or government issued ID is required for all voting. If you can't even manage to get a 3 dollar state ID you shouldn't be voting.

4 only American citizens can vote in any election and citizenship must be held for atleast 5 years prior to voting.

5 all ballots must be stored and sealed in boxes and can't be opened unless a investigation is issued and must be kept until the next election at which time they can be destroyed.

You must be some sort of white supremacist skinhead Nazi, who doesn't want the negroes to vote!

 

[berg80]

hearings ? most legit hearings have cross examinations ...

The committee interviewed over 1,000 witnesses on tape. The hearings are legit, sorry.

 

[berg80]

Not your claim, but you're willing to repeat it like a barking seal as though it's gospel.

Right here, moonbat....

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You repeat Trump's completely unsubstantiated claims of rampant voter fraud but I'm a barking seal?

 

[berg80]

Sounds like "I'm painting myself as open minded and willing to listen because we have a mutual problem. But really I only want to hear replies I agree with because I don't like trump or conservatives."

But I'll play a long.

1 hand count ballots under scrutiny. No electronic voting machines.

2 no more mail in ballots unless you live outside X amount of miles from a voting center, over a certain age or disabled or stationed outside the United States.

2A when elections open you must register and verify in person or via phone 90 days prior to the elections and the cut off date is 14 days prior to the election so they can be mailed out and recieved in time.

2B all mail in votes must be counted and put in the system before in person ballots can be counted and once mail in ballots are counted that's it, no more. None of this "we found some mail ins behind a file cabinet at 3am".

3 a state issued ID or government issued ID is required for all voting. If you can't even manage to get a 3 dollar state ID you shouldn't be voting.

4 only American citizens can vote in any election and citizenship must be held for atleast 5 years prior to voting.

5 all ballots must be stored and sealed in boxes and can't be opened unless a investigation is issued and must be kept until the next election at which time they can be destroyed.

As I read over your list I got the distinct impression you think there's a problem with election integrity. Aside from human error and minuscule instances of actual voter fraud there is no evidence we have a problem.

 

[Oddball]

You repeat Trump's completely unsubstantiated claims of rampant voter fraud but I'm a barking seal?

Whatboutism isn't an argument, parrotboi.

 

[Lesh]

Whatboutism isn't an argument, parrotboi.

Then stop doing it

 

[berg80]

Whatboutism isn't an argument, parrotboi.

Does the characterization of the most secure election ever, right or wrong, have a material effect on the outcome of the election, parrotboi?

 

[Oddball]

Then stop doing it

When I need any shit out of you, I'll squeeze your head.

 

[Oddball]

Does the characterization of the most secure election ever, right or wrong, have a material effect on the outcome of the election, parrotboi?

The characterization is bullshit when you can't meet the criteria I mentioned earlier.

Which was the second most secure?

Which was the least secure and why?

Answer those questions or STFU, assclown.

 

[berg80]

The characterization is bullshit when you can't meet the criteria I mentioned earlier.

Which was the second most secure?

Which was the least secure and why?

Answer those questions or STFU, assclown.

Why do you believe any of that matters? Does the characterization of the most secure election ever, right or wrong, have a material effect on the outcome of the election, parrotboi?

 

[Oddball]

Why do you believe any of that matters? Does the characterization of the most secure election ever, right or wrong, have a material effect on the outcome of the election, parrotboi?

It matters because it's empty and unprovable rhetoric, that's glommed onto and barfed up on cue by nose picking morons like you, who haven't a rational and/or Socratic thought in your infinitesimally tiny craniums.

So fuck off.

 

[berg80]

It matters because it's empty and unprovable rhetoric, that's glommed onto and barfed up on cue by nose picking morons like you, who haven't a rational and/or Socratic thought in your infinitesimally tiny craniums.

So fuck off.

IOW, it doesn't have a material effect on the outcome of the election.......which is all that really matters. My apologies for humiliating you to the point where you felt it necessary to launch in to that invective rant.

 

[Lesh]

When I need any shit out of you, I'll squeeze your head.

Not a thought of your own in that green head huh?

 

[Lisa558]

The committee interviewed over 1,000 witnesses on tape. The hearings are legit, sorry.

That’s equivalent to a prosecutor picking witnesses, and not allowing the defense to cross-examine them or pick their own witnesses to negate the claims. This is like a trial with the prosecutor levying a charge, and no defense attorney allowed.

 

[Lesh]

That’s equivalent to a prosecutor picking witnesses, and not allowing the defense to cross-examine them or pick their own witnesses to negate the claims. This is like a trial with the prosecutor levying a charge, and no defense attorney allowed.

It's an investigation not a trial

 

[scruffy]

Gee, very scary.

You don't know scary.

Not yet

Not as scary as Trump's, and his follower's, continued assault on democracy.

That's just Hollywood. Scary monster movie. Godzilla goes on a rampage over downtown Tokyo, film at 11.

 

[scruffy]

You must be some sort of white supremacist skinhead Nazi, who doesn't want the negroes to vote!

NO lefties should be voting.

They're way too stupid...

 

[Resnic]

You must be some sort of white supremacist skinhead Nazi, who doesn't want the negroes to vote!

If I am it's because this new breed of liberals have forcibly shoved racism so far down my that I'm puking it back up at them.

 

[Oddball]

IOW, it doesn't have a material effect on the outcome of the election.......which is all that really matters. My apologies for humiliating you to the point where you felt it necessary to launch in to that invective rant.

IOW, you've unwittingly (because you really are quite the fucking dullard) exposed what a cynical and disingenuous heap of twaddle your OP is.

You're not interested in discussing, only dictating.

You want a monologue, not a dialogue.

Only your version of happenings and events is reality, and any and all other POVs are illegitimate.

Once again, I cordially invite you to go fuck yourself.