How Did Things Get So Bad In Our Country?

[Maxdeath]

Your statement: "So basically you are saying that are completely clueless"

Again, your statement makes no sense.

Quantrill

Poor thing. Run along.

 

[Quantrill]

Poor thing. Run along.

Ok. I will. When you decide to make sense get back with me.

Quantrill

 

[buttercup]

No. I haven't moved any goal posts. What I have said proves how silly your position is. Which is why you don't answer my questions.

Yes war is necessary in a world of fallen man. You live in a dream world.

War is a good thing when you destroy the wicked. Do you agree?

Your point is ridiculous. The Bible is clear that there will always be wars. Just whose side of that war are you on, is the question. And I don't want you on my side.

Quantrill

Ok, now it's becoming clear that you're a dishonest poster. That's probably why my spidey senses kicked in when I read some of your posts days ago.

I ALREADY SAID that I didn't say that war is NEVER necessary. You not only failed to acknowledge that point, but the fact that you asked me that dumb question right after I made the distinction shows you are either dishonest, or dense.

AGAIN, I never disagreed that the bible says there will always be wars (in this fallen world)... Thank you again, Captain Obvious! The point that you keep failing to acknowledge is that just because the bible predicts something doesn't automatically make it a good thing. And another point you failed to acknowledge is that most of the time, war is NOT a good thing. MOST of the time, it is based on lies and deceit. It's often about power and control, land grabs, gaining someone else's resources.

If you are going to continue to ignore my points and dishonestly act as if I hadn't already addressed your points, then I have no interest in continuing this exchange with you. I don't interact with dishonest posters...or those who are too dense to have an actual discussion with.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Things were going great until September 10th happened. Now there's a bunch of evil stuff happening. I mean, there was always evil stuff happening in our country but nothing like this where it's people glorifying death and wanting other innocent people to die. Satan must be raising up an entire army or something.

Twitter, YouTube, and Fox.

 

[Quantrill]

Ok, now it's becoming clear that you're a dishonest poster. That's probably why my spidey senses kicked in when I read some of your posts days ago.

I ALREADY SAID that I didn't say that war is NEVER necessary. You not only failed to acknowledge that point, but the fact that you asked me that dumb question right after I made the distinction shows you are either dishonest, or dense.

AGAIN, I never disagreed that the bible says there will always be wars (in this fallen world)... Thank you again, Captain Obvious! The point that you keep failing to acknowledge is that just because the bible predicts something doesn't automatically make it a good thing. And another point you failed to acknowledge is that most of the time, war is NOT a good thing. MOST of the time, it is based on lies and deceit. It's often about power and control, land grabs, gaining someone else's resources.

If you are going to continue to ignore my points and dishonesty act as if I hadn't already addressed your points, then I have no interest in continuing this exchange with you. I don't interact with dishonest posters...or those who are too dense to have an actual discussion with.

Oh, and you make yourself the judge of who a dishonest poster is? You with your 'spidey' sense. Yeah, that's deep stuff there.

Ok. So you are saying that war is necessary in the fallen world of man.

Ok. You agree that the Bible says there will always be wars.

War is a good thing because the war is about the fight between good and evil.

I don't ignore your points. If you don't want to continue our discussion, that's up to you. I am happy to continue.

Quantrill

 

[buttercup]

Oh, and you make yourself the judge of who a dishonest poster is? You with your 'spidey' sense. Yeah, that's deep stuff there.

Ok. So you are saying that war is necessary in the fallen world of man.

Ok. You agree that the Bible says there will always be wars.

War is a good think because the war is about the fight between good and evil.

I don't ignore your points. If you don't want to continue our discussion, that's up to you. I am happy to continue.

Quantrill

Wow. You just shoved words in my mouth, and dishonestly worded things in an intentionally general way, which contradicts what I said.

You just proved again you are a dishonest debater. I'm done. Find someone else who will waste their time with you.

 

[Quantrill]

Wow. You just shoved words in my mouth, and dishonestly worded things in an intentionally general way, which contradicts what I said.

You just proved again you are a dishonest debater. I'm done. Find someone else who will waste their time with you.

Where did I misrepresent you?

Where have I been dishonest?

Again, I am happy to continue the discussion. But if you are not, that is ok.

Quantrill

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I'm one of the few people in the world who knows where exactly the Catholic Church is today, namely inside its remnant members' hearts and souls. The Vatican is not the location anymore, but since no one on this forum seems to know that except yours truly, I guess I must be the one who is wrong (so goes herd mentality logic)

You're ALMOST there.

The TRUE CHURCH IS NOT a physical organization. It is the Body of Belivers in whom the Holy Spirit resides

 

[forkintheroad7]

You're ALMOST there.

The TRUE CHURCH IS NOT a physical organization. It is the Body of Belivers in whom the Holy Spirit resides

Yeh, I've heard that 1000 times.

But Jesus founded a physical Church (as God founded the synagogue long ago) and His tangible Presence is there. Only Catholics know this and Protestants refuse to open their minds and souls to this information, so I guess they will just not have Jesus in a tangible way. That is their choice.

You always think Catholics need to change but it is you Protestants who need to study the Church Christ founded and enter it (There is no salvation outside the Original Church).. and leave their Luther knock off so-called "church" behind.

 

[JoeB131]

The US began to deteriorate before it ever existed. When the infamous Martin Luther, fallen Catholic priest (formally excommunicated), began to assert his false theology on the world and gave the finger to the Church Christ Himself founded - since of course Luther knew better than said Church...

Well, there you have it. But I know most people here will not believe me and will ridicule me and the Original Church...

Most people will. Jesus said that His followers would be "hated by all"

Few things are more hated in this world than the Catholic Church, so there you go..

Most people reject the Church...

And Jesus said most people end up in Hell..

(Mt 7:13.. Luke 13, etc)

Honestly, that makes Jesus kind of an awful person. Who really deserves to be tortured for all eternity? And for something as trivial as "belonging to the wrong church", which most of us don't really have much of a say in.

One of the sweetest people I ever knew was a Japanese woman. But since she was born in the land of the Rising Sun, she never heard of Jesus. So she deserves to go to hell because of where she was born? That seems... cruel.

Martin Luther's rebellion was sparked by some fairly sensible concerns, such as the Church selling indulgences and engaging in other acts of corruption. The Church admitted he was right when it engaged in the Counter-Reformation, didn't it?

 

[Maxdeath]

Wow. You just shoved words in my mouth, and dishonestly worded things in an intentionally general way, which contradicts what I said.

You just proved again you are a dishonest debater. I'm done. Find someone else who will waste their time with you.

He, she, it does not want to debate what you or I wrote. Only what he, she, it wants to, if that means acting confused or making up things to make it seem like you said them then he, she, it is happy to do so. Because a real debate would be disastrous to he, she it.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

 

[forkintheroad7]

interesting video. As I said yesterday about the insanity plea made by some of these murderers: I never thought it mattered one bit whether the person was "insane" or not, that the same sentence should apply to the insane and the not insane. Do the crime, do the time. Simple.

But as we know, the dims complicate things or try to.

They only get away with their illogical "moralizing" (Oh, the poor criminal was homeless ) when unthinking, apathetic people are listening. The problem is, those are the kind who do the shootings (and other crimes)

 

[NotYankee]

Killing civilians has been in the forefront of US military policy since Lincoln when General Sherman pronounced it as:

"extermination, not of soldiers alone, that is the least of the trouble, but the people" .... "We are not fighting against enemy armies, but against an enemy people, both young and old, rich and poor, and they must feel the iron hand of war in the same way as organized armies."

Around 1902 in another attempt to "clean" for "world order"

US General Jacob H. Smith tells the commanding officer of the Marines assigned to clean up the island of Samar, Philippines:

"I want no prisoners.

I wish you to kill and burn;

the more you kill and burn the better it will please me."

He orders that the entire island of Samar be converted into a "howling wilderness." He specifically orders that all males over the age of ten are to be shot. Step one is to burn the town of Balangiga to the ground.


This is what the US has done to the Indians, Germany, Japan, Viet Nam, Panama, Fallujah, Libya, Yugoslavia, Korea, Syria and many other places, yes?





We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.
Ayn Rand

 

[NotYankee]

So called Democrats & Republicans have been a gang of looters & legalized murderers for much of the history of USA.
Theodore Roosevelt blew up the |USS Maine to wage war on Spain, Cuba, Philippines etc.
President Wilson assisted the Communist Revolution in Russia, Initiated war against Germany; And created the Federal Reserve Board with complete control of USA's money and credit, who later caused the "Great Depression". From 1930 to 1940 Census, the USA population went DOWN 7 million people.
Franklin Roosevelt conspired with Churchill to create war against Germany via a falseflag bombing of obsolete battle ships at Pearl Harbor.
Stupid deluded so called Americans have loved every USA war. Even when their USA Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright declared that killing a million children in Iraq "was worth the price", and stupid USA Public accepted every bit of the mass slaughter in Iraq, and every USA created war since.
How many children were murdered and tortured by USA in VietNam? Cambodia, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Rhwanda, Serbia, Yugoslavia etc.?

 

[NotYankee]

interesting video. As I said yesterday about the insanity plea made by some of these murderers: I never thought it mattered one bit whether the person was "insane" or not, that the same sentence should apply to the insane and the not insane. Do the crime, do the time. Simple.

But as we know, the dims complicate things or try to.

They only get away with their illogical "moralizing" (Oh, the poor criminal was homeless ) when unthinking, apathetic people are listening. The problem is, those are the kind who do the shootings (and other crimes)

If Juries and courts were not so corrupt, Murderers should be killed. Why tax the peasants to keep murderers alive for decades? It would be much simpler if the murderer were taken out and shot in the back of the head.

 

[forkintheroad7]

If Juries and courts were not so corrupt, Murderers should be killed. Why tax the peasants to keep murderers alive for decades? It would be much simpler if the murderer were taken out and shot in the back of the head.

Well, people think that Christians like me shouldn't feel that way, but I agree, assuming the person is guilty and has been found to be guilty unanimously by a jury. Juries do get things wrong.. One word: OJ so maybe a one time killer should not get the death penalty? I don't know. I'd have to think about it but cop killers and serial killers should get it and also assassins since they adversely affect all of society when they kill someone like Kirk who was trying to make it better. The thing is, I don't always trust the legal system and have often distrusted juries.. So I think we should be careful in who gets executed.

OJ proves you can't trust juries

 

[NotYankee]

There is nothing in the Commandments about females making each other feel good. Consider a king's harem: how can a 100 concubines be satisfied by one King?

As for Juries, there is a Bible Story about this: It is labeled as Susanna & Daniel.
But, most Bibles have removed this very important Story of how Susanna was convicted and on her way to being stoned, when Daniel intervened; Properly examined the evidence and convicted the witnesses who got stoned instead.

Politicians do not want folks knowing this story, because, all of USA's wars were basically frauds for politicians and profiteers making big Bucks off the suffering of war.
In fact, the only people who should be able to choose war, are those who are to suffer and die in the war.

 

[forkintheroad7]

There is nothing in the Commandments about females making each other feel good. Consider a king's harem: how can a 100 concubines be satisfied by one King?

As for Juries, there is a Bible Story about this: It is labeled as Susanna & Daniel.
But, most Bibles have removed this very important Story of how Susanna was convicted and on her way to being stoned, when Daniel intervened; Properly examined the evidence and convicted the witnesses who got stoned instead.

Politicians do not want folks knowing this story

Um... why not?

It is in my Bible, the Douay Rheims

 

[forkintheroad7]

The Churches are largely responsible for how things have deteriorated in the US.

When I say Churches, I used the term loosely because there is only ONE True Church.. but all the non-Catholics attack the true one and are often so busy doing that they don't have time to do things that would make the nation a better place, a more Christian place. Who cares if Catholics honor Mary? How is that hurting Protestants?

And yet children being murdered is definitely hurting someone, and not just the child. Women who abort have a lifetime of guilt to live with. And if you have too much guilt, you don't always believe God has forgiven you and THAT is a huge problem. If you think you're going to Hell no matter what, well, you just slide into more and more sin until you actually end up there..

So Protestants need to stop attacking Catholics and start attacking the real evildoers in society.