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So Jesus was a fake christian? Ok!And..the next time someone feels bad for whatever, listen to what he says.
Floyd Red Crow Westerman at Hunts-
Floyd Red Crow Westerman at Hunts- "The Missionary Song"www.cctv.org
NA's had a helluva time...and still do. And think about those indigenous kids recently found in mass burial graves in Canada.
Christianity is not innocent.
Don't conflate mere religion or corrupt churches with Christianity. I didn't watch the whole video, but whenever people bring up things like that I always direct them to the words of Jesus. He said that if someone doesn't want to hear the message of the Gospel, shake the dust off your feet and walk out the door. Not forcibly convert anyone. He also taught to love not only your neighbor but love even your enemies. So any corrupt churches or fake Christians who did horrible things under the banner of religion were certainly not acting in a true Christian way, in other words in a way that is in harmony with the teachings of Jesus.
And then again "fake Christians" will talk about how everyone else is a "fake Christian".....
I should probably post my Sabbath Songs in another thread.
Sorry Potter..
I got carried away....
Hugs
Faith. Proof to ME, that I will not share here. It's personal..between He and myself.What are you basing your view of Jesus on
What I have from God is not made up. He is not made up by me. I know you do not believe that, but what I have cannot be transferred to a closed heart and mind, but I know that I have it and that it is good.I certainly agree! A multitude of Christian denominations are one result of this. People sometimes are often looking for churches that suit their own [selfish] current beliefs and interests, whereas God, as I believe it, is looking for hearts that are truly seeking Him. God loves us but how many people really love Him as opposed to putting on a show. God knows the difference. God will help a person change if the person is really wanting to approach Him whatever the cost.God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. People are changeable. God is looking at the hearts of people and working with those who are hungry and thirsty or sometimes using those to accomplish thing we may not want to hear about. What a person has access to where he dwell is weighed against what is available to that person and what he has done with it.If to be real in the things of God the kind of evidence you apparently would require would indeed be lacking. God's truth is not impossible to find, but the pathway to it is definite and you are not on it... so your conclusion is understandable. You have your allotted time to do with as you will and as you can.
Now you know how I feel. You're telling me he didn't swear because of what's in the Bible. Come on dude. We know the Bible doesn't say EVERYTHING.
You don't know he didn't swear, as much as you don't know when he took a shit.
Fine,.. believe what you want I don't care but now you're starting to get off topic.
Well, apparently this is about whether Jesus had patience with people, and it was YOU who brought up swearing.
The reality is I don't believe anything. You're the one telling me you BELIEVE he didn't swear and your "evidence" for that is so lacking.
I merely changed the word "swearing" to "shitting" and you think it's all of a sudden ridiculous.
The reality is the Bible is a political book, it was edited, changed, it's gone through 2000 years and many translations. It's not good evidence for much at all.
Problem is if you're born in a Christian country then "God's truth" is very different than if you're born in a Muslim country.
How weird's that?
Mt 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
That which is available in a Muslim country would be different than what is available in the United States or in Haiti. God knows the differences better than any man. "Much is given... much is required"
Lu 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
God can measure those thing which is why Jesus says ,
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
"God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. "
Right, but then humans' interpretation of it is very changeable.
How selfish are we? Jesus, as man of flesh demonstrated a selfless ideal which alone is impossible for any man to manifest or to emulate.
Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. [Phil 2:3]
The problem here is that you're making a God who is very convenient for humans.
Humans are emotional creatures. Many humans feel the need to be loved, to feel people care about them. So we make a God who fills that role. Those people who need love more than others will be the ones more likely to believe.
Why doesn't God love cows?
We're getting WAY off topic here people!!
What I have from God is not made up. He is not made up by me. I know you do not believe that, but what I have cannot be transferred to a closed heart and mind, but I know that I have it and that it is good.I certainly agree! A multitude of Christian denominations are one result of this. People sometimes are often looking for churches that suit their own [selfish] current beliefs and interests, whereas God, as I believe it, is looking for hearts that are truly seeking Him. God loves us but how many people really love Him as opposed to putting on a show. God knows the difference. God will help a person change if the person is really wanting to approach Him whatever the cost.God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. People are changeable. God is looking at the hearts of people and working with those who are hungry and thirsty or sometimes using those to accomplish thing we may not want to hear about. What a person has access to where he dwell is weighed against what is available to that person and what he has done with it.If to be real in the things of God the kind of evidence you apparently would require would indeed be lacking. God's truth is not impossible to find, but the pathway to it is definite and you are not on it... so your conclusion is understandable. You have your allotted time to do with as you will and as you can.
Now you know how I feel. You're telling me he didn't swear because of what's in the Bible. Come on dude. We know the Bible doesn't say EVERYTHING.
You don't know he didn't swear, as much as you don't know when he took a shit.
Fine,.. believe what you want I don't care but now you're starting to get off topic.
Well, apparently this is about whether Jesus had patience with people, and it was YOU who brought up swearing.
The reality is I don't believe anything. You're the one telling me you BELIEVE he didn't swear and your "evidence" for that is so lacking.
I merely changed the word "swearing" to "shitting" and you think it's all of a sudden ridiculous.
The reality is the Bible is a political book, it was edited, changed, it's gone through 2000 years and many translations. It's not good evidence for much at all.
Problem is if you're born in a Christian country then "God's truth" is very different than if you're born in a Muslim country.
How weird's that?
Mt 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
That which is available in a Muslim country would be different than what is available in the United States or in Haiti. God knows the differences better than any man. "Much is given... much is required"
Lu 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
God can measure those thing which is why Jesus says ,
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
"God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. "
Right, but then humans' interpretation of it is very changeable.
How selfish are we? Jesus, as man of flesh demonstrated a selfless ideal which alone is impossible for any man to manifest or to emulate.
Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. [Phil 2:3]
The problem here is that you're making a God who is very convenient for humans.
Humans are emotional creatures. Many humans feel the need to be loved, to feel people care about them. So we make a God who fills that role. Those people who need love more than others will be the ones more likely to believe.
Why doesn't God love cows?
Only God gives anyone increases in what they have that is good. I cannot do that. I cannot even answer every question you or any skeptic or doubter may have to satisfy your curiosity or to make you understand and accept what I believe.
I could tell you which way to go in order to encounter the truth, but without faith it will not work so it would amount to spinning my wheels or worse,
Faith. Proof to ME, that I will not share here. It's personal..between He and myself.What are you basing your view of Jesus on
I understand. I had something amazing and very personal happen to me also, about 2 years before I came to Christ.
Btw, stuff like that reminds me of Muslims living in Muslim countries that outlaw missionaries... but they came to faith in Jesus through dreams they had of Jesus. Powerful, life-changing dreams that caused them to convert to Christianity, even though they literally risk their lives in doing that.
You asked questions about my faith, not about my knowledge versus your knowledge. What if the whole of what carnal men such as yourself call reality is a temporal, fictional place, for each person can only begin to become Reality through faith toward and in God? People who have nothing Real at the end of their part in it [natural death] for the most part simply from that point... are not. They then do not exist!What I have from God is not made up. He is not made up by me. I know you do not believe that, but what I have cannot be transferred to a closed heart and mind, but I know that I have it and that it is good.I certainly agree! A multitude of Christian denominations are one result of this. People sometimes are often looking for churches that suit their own [selfish] current beliefs and interests, whereas God, as I believe it, is looking for hearts that are truly seeking Him. God loves us but how many people really love Him as opposed to putting on a show. God knows the difference. God will help a person change if the person is really wanting to approach Him whatever the cost.God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. People are changeable. God is looking at the hearts of people and working with those who are hungry and thirsty or sometimes using those to accomplish thing we may not want to hear about. What a person has access to where he dwell is weighed against what is available to that person and what he has done with it.If to be real in the things of God the kind of evidence you apparently would require would indeed be lacking. God's truth is not impossible to find, but the pathway to it is definite and you are not on it... so your conclusion is understandable. You have your allotted time to do with as you will and as you can.
Now you know how I feel. You're telling me he didn't swear because of what's in the Bible. Come on dude. We know the Bible doesn't say EVERYTHING.
You don't know he didn't swear, as much as you don't know when he took a shit.
Fine,.. believe what you want I don't care but now you're starting to get off topic.
Well, apparently this is about whether Jesus had patience with people, and it was YOU who brought up swearing.
The reality is I don't believe anything. You're the one telling me you BELIEVE he didn't swear and your "evidence" for that is so lacking.
I merely changed the word "swearing" to "shitting" and you think it's all of a sudden ridiculous.
The reality is the Bible is a political book, it was edited, changed, it's gone through 2000 years and many translations. It's not good evidence for much at all.
Problem is if you're born in a Christian country then "God's truth" is very different than if you're born in a Muslim country.
How weird's that?
Mt 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
That which is available in a Muslim country would be different than what is available in the United States or in Haiti. God knows the differences better than any man. "Much is given... much is required"
Lu 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
God can measure those thing which is why Jesus says ,
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
"God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. "
Right, but then humans' interpretation of it is very changeable.
How selfish are we? Jesus, as man of flesh demonstrated a selfless ideal which alone is impossible for any man to manifest or to emulate.
Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. [Phil 2:3]
The problem here is that you're making a God who is very convenient for humans.
Humans are emotional creatures. Many humans feel the need to be loved, to feel people care about them. So we make a God who fills that role. Those people who need love more than others will be the ones more likely to believe.
Why doesn't God love cows?
Only God gives anyone increases in what they have that is good. I cannot do that. I cannot even answer every question you or any skeptic or doubter may have to satisfy your curiosity or to make you understand and accept what I believe.
I could tell you which way to go in order to encounter the truth, but without faith it will not work so it would amount to spinning my wheels or worse,
How do you know it comes from God?
Basically this is what you "believe". "believe" means to accept something without knowing what it is.
It's fine, if that's what it takes for you to get through life. But talking about it with people like me is probably not a good idea because we're going to find all those holes in your arguments.
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. [Heb 11:6] |
You asked questions about my faith, not about my knowledge versus your knowledge. What if the whole of what carnal men such as yourself call reality is a temporal, fictional place, for each person can only begin to become Reality through faith toward and in God? People who have nothing Real at the end of their part in it [natural death] for the most part simply from that point... are not. They then do not exist!What I have from God is not made up. He is not made up by me. I know you do not believe that, but what I have cannot be transferred to a closed heart and mind, but I know that I have it and that it is good.I certainly agree! A multitude of Christian denominations are one result of this. People sometimes are often looking for churches that suit their own [selfish] current beliefs and interests, whereas God, as I believe it, is looking for hearts that are truly seeking Him. God loves us but how many people really love Him as opposed to putting on a show. God knows the difference. God will help a person change if the person is really wanting to approach Him whatever the cost.God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. People are changeable. God is looking at the hearts of people and working with those who are hungry and thirsty or sometimes using those to accomplish thing we may not want to hear about. What a person has access to where he dwell is weighed against what is available to that person and what he has done with it.If to be real in the things of God the kind of evidence you apparently would require would indeed be lacking. God's truth is not impossible to find, but the pathway to it is definite and you are not on it... so your conclusion is understandable. You have your allotted time to do with as you will and as you can.
Now you know how I feel. You're telling me he didn't swear because of what's in the Bible. Come on dude. We know the Bible doesn't say EVERYTHING.
You don't know he didn't swear, as much as you don't know when he took a shit.
Fine,.. believe what you want I don't care but now you're starting to get off topic.
Well, apparently this is about whether Jesus had patience with people, and it was YOU who brought up swearing.
The reality is I don't believe anything. You're the one telling me you BELIEVE he didn't swear and your "evidence" for that is so lacking.
I merely changed the word "swearing" to "shitting" and you think it's all of a sudden ridiculous.
The reality is the Bible is a political book, it was edited, changed, it's gone through 2000 years and many translations. It's not good evidence for much at all.
Problem is if you're born in a Christian country then "God's truth" is very different than if you're born in a Muslim country.
How weird's that?
Mt 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
That which is available in a Muslim country would be different than what is available in the United States or in Haiti. God knows the differences better than any man. "Much is given... much is required"
Lu 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
God can measure those thing which is why Jesus says ,
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
"God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. "
Right, but then humans' interpretation of it is very changeable.
How selfish are we? Jesus, as man of flesh demonstrated a selfless ideal which alone is impossible for any man to manifest or to emulate.
Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. [Phil 2:3]
The problem here is that you're making a God who is very convenient for humans.
Humans are emotional creatures. Many humans feel the need to be loved, to feel people care about them. So we make a God who fills that role. Those people who need love more than others will be the ones more likely to believe.
Why doesn't God love cows?
Only God gives anyone increases in what they have that is good. I cannot do that. I cannot even answer every question you or any skeptic or doubter may have to satisfy your curiosity or to make you understand and accept what I believe.
I could tell you which way to go in order to encounter the truth, but without faith it will not work so it would amount to spinning my wheels or worse,
How do you know it comes from God?
Basically this is what you "believe". "believe" means to accept something without knowing what it is.
It's fine, if that's what it takes for you to get through life. But talking about it with people like me is probably not a good idea because we're going to find all those holes in your arguments.
What if Knowledge, real knowledge does not come to anyone by or through logical or other conclusions drawn in the mind based on those things perceived by the five natural senses and considered in the mind? What if people only believe that it does.
I will provide for you a starting point... but I already told you that you are not ready for it.
Circular reasoning some men would say, but how many man know the mind and ways of God?
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. [Heb 11:6]
Faith when it is finished leaves knowledge IF any real knowledge has been gained. The separation between the two is where people have trouble correctly drawing the line. This is one reason for the multitude of Christian denominations.You asked questions about my faith, not about my knowledge versus your knowledge. What if the whole of what carnal men such as yourself call reality is a temporal, fictional place, for each person can only begin to become Reality through faith toward and in God? People who have nothing Real at the end of their part in it [natural death] for the most part simply from that point... are not. They then do not exist!What I have from God is not made up. He is not made up by me. I know you do not believe that, but what I have cannot be transferred to a closed heart and mind, but I know that I have it and that it is good.I certainly agree! A multitude of Christian denominations are one result of this. People sometimes are often looking for churches that suit their own [selfish] current beliefs and interests, whereas God, as I believe it, is looking for hearts that are truly seeking Him. God loves us but how many people really love Him as opposed to putting on a show. God knows the difference. God will help a person change if the person is really wanting to approach Him whatever the cost.God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. People are changeable. God is looking at the hearts of people and working with those who are hungry and thirsty or sometimes using those to accomplish thing we may not want to hear about. What a person has access to where he dwell is weighed against what is available to that person and what he has done with it.If to be real in the things of God the kind of evidence you apparently would require would indeed be lacking. God's truth is not impossible to find, but the pathway to it is definite and you are not on it... so your conclusion is understandable. You have your allotted time to do with as you will and as you can.
Now you know how I feel. You're telling me he didn't swear because of what's in the Bible. Come on dude. We know the Bible doesn't say EVERYTHING.
You don't know he didn't swear, as much as you don't know when he took a shit.
Fine,.. believe what you want I don't care but now you're starting to get off topic.
Well, apparently this is about whether Jesus had patience with people, and it was YOU who brought up swearing.
The reality is I don't believe anything. You're the one telling me you BELIEVE he didn't swear and your "evidence" for that is so lacking.
I merely changed the word "swearing" to "shitting" and you think it's all of a sudden ridiculous.
The reality is the Bible is a political book, it was edited, changed, it's gone through 2000 years and many translations. It's not good evidence for much at all.
Problem is if you're born in a Christian country then "God's truth" is very different than if you're born in a Muslim country.
How weird's that?
Mt 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
That which is available in a Muslim country would be different than what is available in the United States or in Haiti. God knows the differences better than any man. "Much is given... much is required"
Lu 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
God can measure those thing which is why Jesus says ,
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
"God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. "
Right, but then humans' interpretation of it is very changeable.
How selfish are we? Jesus, as man of flesh demonstrated a selfless ideal which alone is impossible for any man to manifest or to emulate.
Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. [Phil 2:3]
The problem here is that you're making a God who is very convenient for humans.
Humans are emotional creatures. Many humans feel the need to be loved, to feel people care about them. So we make a God who fills that role. Those people who need love more than others will be the ones more likely to believe.
Why doesn't God love cows?
Only God gives anyone increases in what they have that is good. I cannot do that. I cannot even answer every question you or any skeptic or doubter may have to satisfy your curiosity or to make you understand and accept what I believe.
I could tell you which way to go in order to encounter the truth, but without faith it will not work so it would amount to spinning my wheels or worse,
How do you know it comes from God?
Basically this is what you "believe". "believe" means to accept something without knowing what it is.
It's fine, if that's what it takes for you to get through life. But talking about it with people like me is probably not a good idea because we're going to find all those holes in your arguments.
What if Knowledge, real knowledge does not come to anyone by or through logical or other conclusions drawn in the mind based on those things perceived by the five natural senses and considered in the mind? What if people only believe that it does.
I will provide for you a starting point... but I already told you that you are not ready for it.
Circular reasoning some men would say, but how many man know the mind and ways of God?
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. [Heb 11:6]
So you're separating "faith" and "knowledge"?
Does that mean your "faith" has nothing to do with "knowledge"? Does that mean you know nothing of God and all the religious stuff. You just "faith" it?
Heb 12:2 | Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. |
Faith when it is finished leaves knowledge IF any real knowledge has been gained. The separation between the two is where people have trouble correctly drawing the line. This is one reason for the multitude of Christian denominations.You asked questions about my faith, not about my knowledge versus your knowledge. What if the whole of what carnal men such as yourself call reality is a temporal, fictional place, for each person can only begin to become Reality through faith toward and in God? People who have nothing Real at the end of their part in it [natural death] for the most part simply from that point... are not. They then do not exist!What I have from God is not made up. He is not made up by me. I know you do not believe that, but what I have cannot be transferred to a closed heart and mind, but I know that I have it and that it is good.I certainly agree! A multitude of Christian denominations are one result of this. People sometimes are often looking for churches that suit their own [selfish] current beliefs and interests, whereas God, as I believe it, is looking for hearts that are truly seeking Him. God loves us but how many people really love Him as opposed to putting on a show. God knows the difference. God will help a person change if the person is really wanting to approach Him whatever the cost.God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. People are changeable. God is looking at the hearts of people and working with those who are hungry and thirsty or sometimes using those to accomplish thing we may not want to hear about. What a person has access to where he dwell is weighed against what is available to that person and what he has done with it.If to be real in the things of God the kind of evidence you apparently would require would indeed be lacking. God's truth is not impossible to find, but the pathway to it is definite and you are not on it... so your conclusion is understandable. You have your allotted time to do with as you will and as you can.
Now you know how I feel. You're telling me he didn't swear because of what's in the Bible. Come on dude. We know the Bible doesn't say EVERYTHING.
You don't know he didn't swear, as much as you don't know when he took a shit.
Fine,.. believe what you want I don't care but now you're starting to get off topic.
Well, apparently this is about whether Jesus had patience with people, and it was YOU who brought up swearing.
The reality is I don't believe anything. You're the one telling me you BELIEVE he didn't swear and your "evidence" for that is so lacking.
I merely changed the word "swearing" to "shitting" and you think it's all of a sudden ridiculous.
The reality is the Bible is a political book, it was edited, changed, it's gone through 2000 years and many translations. It's not good evidence for much at all.
Problem is if you're born in a Christian country then "God's truth" is very different than if you're born in a Muslim country.
How weird's that?
Mt 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
That which is available in a Muslim country would be different than what is available in the United States or in Haiti. God knows the differences better than any man. "Much is given... much is required"
Lu 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
God can measure those thing which is why Jesus says ,
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
"God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. "
Right, but then humans' interpretation of it is very changeable.
How selfish are we? Jesus, as man of flesh demonstrated a selfless ideal which alone is impossible for any man to manifest or to emulate.
Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. [Phil 2:3]
The problem here is that you're making a God who is very convenient for humans.
Humans are emotional creatures. Many humans feel the need to be loved, to feel people care about them. So we make a God who fills that role. Those people who need love more than others will be the ones more likely to believe.
Why doesn't God love cows?
Only God gives anyone increases in what they have that is good. I cannot do that. I cannot even answer every question you or any skeptic or doubter may have to satisfy your curiosity or to make you understand and accept what I believe.
I could tell you which way to go in order to encounter the truth, but without faith it will not work so it would amount to spinning my wheels or worse,
How do you know it comes from God?
Basically this is what you "believe". "believe" means to accept something without knowing what it is.
It's fine, if that's what it takes for you to get through life. But talking about it with people like me is probably not a good idea because we're going to find all those holes in your arguments.
What if Knowledge, real knowledge does not come to anyone by or through logical or other conclusions drawn in the mind based on those things perceived by the five natural senses and considered in the mind? What if people only believe that it does.
I will provide for you a starting point... but I already told you that you are not ready for it.
Circular reasoning some men would say, but how many man know the mind and ways of God?
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. [Heb 11:6]
So you're separating "faith" and "knowledge"?
Does that mean your "faith" has nothing to do with "knowledge"? Does that mean you know nothing of God and all the religious stuff. You just "faith" it?
In the following verse for someone with "eyes to see" is seen the end of the matter...
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
No, the explanation is clear enough for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. God will write it in the heart of a person who is hungry and thirsty for the right things and willing to do things God's Way. There are no exceptions. You want to live your own way? That is being allowed.Faith when it is finished leaves knowledge IF any real knowledge has been gained. The separation between the two is where people have trouble correctly drawing the line. This is one reason for the multitude of Christian denominations.You asked questions about my faith, not about my knowledge versus your knowledge. What if the whole of what carnal men such as yourself call reality is a temporal, fictional place, for each person can only begin to become Reality through faith toward and in God? People who have nothing Real at the end of their part in it [natural death] for the most part simply from that point... are not. They then do not exist!What I have from God is not made up. He is not made up by me. I know you do not believe that, but what I have cannot be transferred to a closed heart and mind, but I know that I have it and that it is good.I certainly agree! A multitude of Christian denominations are one result of this. People sometimes are often looking for churches that suit their own [selfish] current beliefs and interests, whereas God, as I believe it, is looking for hearts that are truly seeking Him. God loves us but how many people really love Him as opposed to putting on a show. God knows the difference. God will help a person change if the person is really wanting to approach Him whatever the cost.God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. People are changeable. God is looking at the hearts of people and working with those who are hungry and thirsty or sometimes using those to accomplish thing we may not want to hear about. What a person has access to where he dwell is weighed against what is available to that person and what he has done with it.If to be real in the things of God the kind of evidence you apparently would require would indeed be lacking. God's truth is not impossible to find, but the pathway to it is definite and you are not on it... so your conclusion is understandable. You have your allotted time to do with as you will and as you can.
Now you know how I feel. You're telling me he didn't swear because of what's in the Bible. Come on dude. We know the Bible doesn't say EVERYTHING.
You don't know he didn't swear, as much as you don't know when he took a shit.
Fine,.. believe what you want I don't care but now you're starting to get off topic.
Well, apparently this is about whether Jesus had patience with people, and it was YOU who brought up swearing.
The reality is I don't believe anything. You're the one telling me you BELIEVE he didn't swear and your "evidence" for that is so lacking.
I merely changed the word "swearing" to "shitting" and you think it's all of a sudden ridiculous.
The reality is the Bible is a political book, it was edited, changed, it's gone through 2000 years and many translations. It's not good evidence for much at all.
Problem is if you're born in a Christian country then "God's truth" is very different than if you're born in a Muslim country.
How weird's that?
Mt 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
That which is available in a Muslim country would be different than what is available in the United States or in Haiti. God knows the differences better than any man. "Much is given... much is required"
Lu 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
God can measure those thing which is why Jesus says ,
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
"God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. "
Right, but then humans' interpretation of it is very changeable.
How selfish are we? Jesus, as man of flesh demonstrated a selfless ideal which alone is impossible for any man to manifest or to emulate.
Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. [Phil 2:3]
The problem here is that you're making a God who is very convenient for humans.
Humans are emotional creatures. Many humans feel the need to be loved, to feel people care about them. So we make a God who fills that role. Those people who need love more than others will be the ones more likely to believe.
Why doesn't God love cows?
Only God gives anyone increases in what they have that is good. I cannot do that. I cannot even answer every question you or any skeptic or doubter may have to satisfy your curiosity or to make you understand and accept what I believe.
I could tell you which way to go in order to encounter the truth, but without faith it will not work so it would amount to spinning my wheels or worse,
How do you know it comes from God?
Basically this is what you "believe". "believe" means to accept something without knowing what it is.
It's fine, if that's what it takes for you to get through life. But talking about it with people like me is probably not a good idea because we're going to find all those holes in your arguments.
What if Knowledge, real knowledge does not come to anyone by or through logical or other conclusions drawn in the mind based on those things perceived by the five natural senses and considered in the mind? What if people only believe that it does.
I will provide for you a starting point... but I already told you that you are not ready for it.
Circular reasoning some men would say, but how many man know the mind and ways of God?
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. [Heb 11:6]
So you're separating "faith" and "knowledge"?
Does that mean your "faith" has nothing to do with "knowledge"? Does that mean you know nothing of God and all the religious stuff. You just "faith" it?
In the following verse for someone with "eyes to see" is seen the end of the matter...
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Well, you're going to have to explain that a little more, because I don't get what you mean.
No, the explanation is clear enough for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. God will write it in the heart of a person who is hungry and thirsty for the right things and willing to do things God's Way. There are no exceptions. You want to live your own way? That is being allowed.Faith when it is finished leaves knowledge IF any real knowledge has been gained. The separation between the two is where people have trouble correctly drawing the line. This is one reason for the multitude of Christian denominations.You asked questions about my faith, not about my knowledge versus your knowledge. What if the whole of what carnal men such as yourself call reality is a temporal, fictional place, for each person can only begin to become Reality through faith toward and in God? People who have nothing Real at the end of their part in it [natural death] for the most part simply from that point... are not. They then do not exist!What I have from God is not made up. He is not made up by me. I know you do not believe that, but what I have cannot be transferred to a closed heart and mind, but I know that I have it and that it is good.I certainly agree! A multitude of Christian denominations are one result of this. People sometimes are often looking for churches that suit their own [selfish] current beliefs and interests, whereas God, as I believe it, is looking for hearts that are truly seeking Him. God loves us but how many people really love Him as opposed to putting on a show. God knows the difference. God will help a person change if the person is really wanting to approach Him whatever the cost.God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. People are changeable. God is looking at the hearts of people and working with those who are hungry and thirsty or sometimes using those to accomplish thing we may not want to hear about. What a person has access to where he dwell is weighed against what is available to that person and what he has done with it.If to be real in the things of God the kind of evidence you apparently would require would indeed be lacking. God's truth is not impossible to find, but the pathway to it is definite and you are not on it... so your conclusion is understandable. You have your allotted time to do with as you will and as you can.
Now you know how I feel. You're telling me he didn't swear because of what's in the Bible. Come on dude. We know the Bible doesn't say EVERYTHING.
You don't know he didn't swear, as much as you don't know when he took a shit.
Fine,.. believe what you want I don't care but now you're starting to get off topic.
Well, apparently this is about whether Jesus had patience with people, and it was YOU who brought up swearing.
The reality is I don't believe anything. You're the one telling me you BELIEVE he didn't swear and your "evidence" for that is so lacking.
I merely changed the word "swearing" to "shitting" and you think it's all of a sudden ridiculous.
The reality is the Bible is a political book, it was edited, changed, it's gone through 2000 years and many translations. It's not good evidence for much at all.
Problem is if you're born in a Christian country then "God's truth" is very different than if you're born in a Muslim country.
How weird's that?
Mt 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
That which is available in a Muslim country would be different than what is available in the United States or in Haiti. God knows the differences better than any man. "Much is given... much is required"
Lu 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
God can measure those thing which is why Jesus says ,
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
"God's Truth is as God is, unchangeable. "
Right, but then humans' interpretation of it is very changeable.
How selfish are we? Jesus, as man of flesh demonstrated a selfless ideal which alone is impossible for any man to manifest or to emulate.
Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself. [Phil 2:3]
The problem here is that you're making a God who is very convenient for humans.
Humans are emotional creatures. Many humans feel the need to be loved, to feel people care about them. So we make a God who fills that role. Those people who need love more than others will be the ones more likely to believe.
Why doesn't God love cows?
Only God gives anyone increases in what they have that is good. I cannot do that. I cannot even answer every question you or any skeptic or doubter may have to satisfy your curiosity or to make you understand and accept what I believe.
I could tell you which way to go in order to encounter the truth, but without faith it will not work so it would amount to spinning my wheels or worse,
How do you know it comes from God?
Basically this is what you "believe". "believe" means to accept something without knowing what it is.
It's fine, if that's what it takes for you to get through life. But talking about it with people like me is probably not a good idea because we're going to find all those holes in your arguments.
What if Knowledge, real knowledge does not come to anyone by or through logical or other conclusions drawn in the mind based on those things perceived by the five natural senses and considered in the mind? What if people only believe that it does.
I will provide for you a starting point... but I already told you that you are not ready for it.
Circular reasoning some men would say, but how many man know the mind and ways of God?
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. [Heb 11:6]
So you're separating "faith" and "knowledge"?
Does that mean your "faith" has nothing to do with "knowledge"? Does that mean you know nothing of God and all the religious stuff. You just "faith" it?
In the following verse for someone with "eyes to see" is seen the end of the matter...
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Well, you're going to have to explain that a little more, because I don't get what you mean.