Iceweasel
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So GOP governors install their own mayors in the cities? You must have ODed on something.
How come Obama isn't standing up for the hundred thousand the GOP is poisoning in Flint?
saveliberty
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The moron thinks the mayor and city manager are the same thing Iceweasel.
2aguy
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And here we have a real look at how democrats poisoned the water in Flint Michigan…
Flint Is Not a Republican Scandal
Prior to and separate from the current water crisis, Flint was in a state of financial ruination.
In one of the most liberal cities in the United States, Flint’s Democrat-dominated government did what Democrat-monopoly governments do in practically every city they control: It spent money as quickly as it could while at the same time carpet-bombing the tax base with inept municipal services, onerous regulations, high taxes, and the like.
As a result of this, a bankrupt Flint entered into a state of receivership, meaning that an emergency manager — or emergency financial manager, depending upon Michigan’s fluctuating fiscal-emergency law — was appointed by state authorities and given power to supersede local elected officials in some matters, especially financial ones.
The contamination happened while Flint was under the authority of an emergency manager who, though a Democrat, had been appointed to the post by Michigan’s Republican governor, Rick Snyder. He was, in fact, the most recent in a long line of emergency managers, Flint having failed for years to emerge from its state of fiscal emergency.
Read more at: Flint Is Not a Republican Scandal
Flint Is Not a Republican Scandal
Prior to and separate from the current water crisis, Flint was in a state of financial ruination.
In one of the most liberal cities in the United States, Flint’s Democrat-dominated government did what Democrat-monopoly governments do in practically every city they control: It spent money as quickly as it could while at the same time carpet-bombing the tax base with inept municipal services, onerous regulations, high taxes, and the like.
As a result of this, a bankrupt Flint entered into a state of receivership, meaning that an emergency manager — or emergency financial manager, depending upon Michigan’s fluctuating fiscal-emergency law — was appointed by state authorities and given power to supersede local elected officials in some matters, especially financial ones.
The contamination happened while Flint was under the authority of an emergency manager who, though a Democrat, had been appointed to the post by Michigan’s Republican governor, Rick Snyder. He was, in fact, the most recent in a long line of emergency managers, Flint having failed for years to emerge from its state of fiscal emergency.
Read more at: Flint Is Not a Republican Scandal
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He's a messiah!
He's weak!
He's a dictator!
He's gone crazy
He's leading from behind!
He's leading us into disaster!
He's stupid!
He's over educated!
He's half white!
He's half black!
He's a thug!
He's all things to all Republicans.
That's why Republicans feel comfortable poisoning a hundred thousand Americans? It's "state's rights"?
Thanks Steph, I learn so much from you.
Wilbur Right
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Seems like Flints water system was functioning fine till the gov apt. manager decided to change sources of water to save money. Is that true or not?
Or are the reporters on this story all conspiring to make you MI republicans look bad. thats it isnt it. A con spiracy.
I would imagine that the Mayor of Flint wants to hold the govs feet to the fire for help. Playing on the obvious guilt the gov has in creating this fucking mess.
I had a lot of family that made good lives for themselve in Detroit and surrounding areas.
I like MI.
But you all are looking like a third world country on this one. Poisioning kids with one of the most powerfull neuro toxins known to man.
What the hell is going on?
saveliberty
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Lead levels - blood: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/15/us/flint-lead-water-michigan.html
Lead levels are not high enough to poison adults in Flint. The number of children in Flint totals less than 10,000. As you can see from the map, most areas have equal what is considered NORMAL levels. Not that this isn't a problem, but keep perspective.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/15/us/flint-lead-water-michigan.html
Lead levels are not high enough to poison adults in Flint. The number of children in Flint totals less than 10,000. As you can see from the map, most areas have equal what is considered NORMAL levels. Not that this isn't a problem, but keep perspective.
saveliberty
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The manager can't change the source unilaterally, it requires EPA and MDEQ approval.
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saveliberty
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A near bankrupt Flint, when it required receivership.
Wilbur Right
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It is not unusual for people like you to dodge questions, be obtuse, even lie if you think it serves your purpose. Which I cant figure your purpose in defending the gov. So you voted for him. whoop de shit.
But here is the truth of the matter.
If it was your kid lead poisoned, you wouldnt be near so quick to defend and make excuses for the state adminastration.
You would be looking to hold the highest positioned person accountable.
At least thats what most Americans would do.
For some reason, I think you ate lead paint chips when you were a kid. Good enough for you, its good enough for the poor people of flint. Right? LMAO.
Weird Republicans.
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rdean
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Perspective? As in not so bad? Got it.
Zoom-boing
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"
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s top Midwest official said her department knew as early as April about the lack of corrosion controls in Flint’s water supply — a situation that likely put residents at risk for lead contamination — but said her hands were tied in bringing the information to the public.
Starting with inquiries made in February, the federal agency battled Michigan’s Department of Environmental Quality behind the scenes for at least six months over whether Flint needed to use chemical treatments to keep lead lines and plumbing connections from leaching into drinking water. The EPA did not publicize its concern that Flint residents’ health was jeopardized by the state’s insistence that such controls were not required by law.
Instead of moving quickly to verify the concerns or take preventative measures, federal officials opted to prod the DEQ to act, EPA Region 5 Administrator Susan Hedman told The Detroit News this week.
An EPA water expert, Miguel Del Toral, identified potential problems with Flint’s drinking water in February, confirmed the suspicions in April and summarized the looming problem in a June internal memo.
As soon as the lack of corrosion controls became apparent, state and federal officials should have acted to protect the public, said Virginia Tech researcher Marc Edwards, whose water analysis in 2015 helped uncover Flint’s lead contamination.
“At that point, you do not just have smoke, you have a three-alarm fire and should respond immediately,” said Edwards, who, along with the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan, has obtained dozens of key documents related to Flint’s crisis through public record requests. “There was no sense of urgency at any of the relevant agencies, with the obvious exception of Miguel Del Toral, and he was silenced and discredited.”
If they knew Flint’s lack of corrosion measures would likely result in lead reaching the drinking water — by June, testing would show it had — why didn’t EPA officials inform the public when the DEQ failed to act?"
EPA stayed silent on Flint’s tainted water
Yeah, try answering the question I actually asked, moron.
American_Jihad
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Just like criminalcrats pass the blame, and they want to rule the world, chumps...
The Democrats’ Filthy Flint Water
Dirty politics lead to dirty water.
January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield
Mayor Dayne Walling, a Democrat, led a cheerful countdown at the Flint water treatment plant to press the button moving the city over to river water. Walling and Darnell Earley, the Democratic emergency manager, even raised glasses in a toast and drank the water to show that it was safe.
“It’s a historic moment for the city of Flint to return to its roots and use our own river as our drinking water supply,” Walling said. “The water quality speaks for itself.”
Flint’s city council had voted in favor of the move 7-1. Despite claims about the power of the emergency manager, the switch could not have gone forward without that vote.
Even once the problem had surfaced, the EPA knew and kept quiet. It was only once the crisis broke, that the Democratic establishment attempted to redirect the blame at Michigan’s efforts to fix broken Democratic cities like Flint using emergency managers. The war against the emergency managers is not about clean water; it’s about protecting the dirty Democratic politics that destroyed these cities.
Flint’s dirty water had its origins in dirty politics. The Democratic Party had badly mismanaged the city.
Flint was trying to cut costs, but not in the right place. Water rates were already murderously high, because around 40 percent of the city’s water was leaking out or being stolen. Water theft is routine in failed Democratic cities like Flint. And the thefts often come from the inside.
Warren Southall II, a Flint city employee, illegally turned on water in exchange for bribes. Last year he was fined, but would not serve any jail time. Illegal water hookups are everywhere. Residents who have their water turned off can always find ways to get it turned back on again. The cost gets passed on to those who pay their bills. And the rates go up and more residents run away.
From 2002 to 2010, Flint’s population declined by 18%. The poverty rate encompasses over a third of the population. Barely half the city works. The second largest employer in Flint is government. The third and fourth largest employers, healthcare and education, are heavily government subsidized.
Flint is a failed city. It’s what happens when Democrats run a city into the ground by driving away jobs and pandering to unions. Eventually the union contracts make a city’s finances unfeasible and the cycle of tax hikes, union contracts, unfunded pensions, welfare protests, junk bond sales and then crisis management and privatization takes its toll. That is exactly what happened in Flint.
Flint got deep into trouble because of its unions. The city has been desperately struggling to privatize as much of its services as it can, wiping out union jobs to protect union retirement benefits, and then cutting services to cover for a growing deadbeat population that wants services, but doesn’t want to pay for them. And the simple fact of life is that somebody has to pay for clean water. Or it won’t be clean.
It wasn’t corporations or big business that made it impossible for Flint to pay its bills. It wasn’t Rick Snyder. It was Flint residents who kept voting for ridiculously incompetent Democrats.
Flint, like Detroit, needed emergency managers because the Democratic Party had destroyed entire cities. And it is those emergency managers, who are often African-American Democrats even when appointed by Republicans, who are being used to pass all the blame on to Governor Rick Snyder.
But they are leaving out a whole lot of history along the way.
In 2002, Woodrow Stanley, the three-term Democratic Party mayor, was removed from office by angry voters due to a $30 million deficit. He didn’t accept the blame for the disaster. Instead he blamed racism.
“The stench of racism that reeks [from] this election will linger in the nostrils of this community for decades," Stanley said. In reality, plenty of black voters had turned out to drive him out of office.
...
Flint’s dirty water originated with its dirty Democratic Party overlords. Blaming Republicans won’t clean it up.
The Democrats’ Filthy Flint Water
The Democrats’ Filthy Flint Water
Dirty politics lead to dirty water.
January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield
Mayor Dayne Walling, a Democrat, led a cheerful countdown at the Flint water treatment plant to press the button moving the city over to river water. Walling and Darnell Earley, the Democratic emergency manager, even raised glasses in a toast and drank the water to show that it was safe.
“It’s a historic moment for the city of Flint to return to its roots and use our own river as our drinking water supply,” Walling said. “The water quality speaks for itself.”
Flint’s city council had voted in favor of the move 7-1. Despite claims about the power of the emergency manager, the switch could not have gone forward without that vote.
Even once the problem had surfaced, the EPA knew and kept quiet. It was only once the crisis broke, that the Democratic establishment attempted to redirect the blame at Michigan’s efforts to fix broken Democratic cities like Flint using emergency managers. The war against the emergency managers is not about clean water; it’s about protecting the dirty Democratic politics that destroyed these cities.
Flint’s dirty water had its origins in dirty politics. The Democratic Party had badly mismanaged the city.
Flint was trying to cut costs, but not in the right place. Water rates were already murderously high, because around 40 percent of the city’s water was leaking out or being stolen. Water theft is routine in failed Democratic cities like Flint. And the thefts often come from the inside.
Warren Southall II, a Flint city employee, illegally turned on water in exchange for bribes. Last year he was fined, but would not serve any jail time. Illegal water hookups are everywhere. Residents who have their water turned off can always find ways to get it turned back on again. The cost gets passed on to those who pay their bills. And the rates go up and more residents run away.
From 2002 to 2010, Flint’s population declined by 18%. The poverty rate encompasses over a third of the population. Barely half the city works. The second largest employer in Flint is government. The third and fourth largest employers, healthcare and education, are heavily government subsidized.
Flint is a failed city. It’s what happens when Democrats run a city into the ground by driving away jobs and pandering to unions. Eventually the union contracts make a city’s finances unfeasible and the cycle of tax hikes, union contracts, unfunded pensions, welfare protests, junk bond sales and then crisis management and privatization takes its toll. That is exactly what happened in Flint.
Flint got deep into trouble because of its unions. The city has been desperately struggling to privatize as much of its services as it can, wiping out union jobs to protect union retirement benefits, and then cutting services to cover for a growing deadbeat population that wants services, but doesn’t want to pay for them. And the simple fact of life is that somebody has to pay for clean water. Or it won’t be clean.
It wasn’t corporations or big business that made it impossible for Flint to pay its bills. It wasn’t Rick Snyder. It was Flint residents who kept voting for ridiculously incompetent Democrats.
Flint, like Detroit, needed emergency managers because the Democratic Party had destroyed entire cities. And it is those emergency managers, who are often African-American Democrats even when appointed by Republicans, who are being used to pass all the blame on to Governor Rick Snyder.
But they are leaving out a whole lot of history along the way.
In 2002, Woodrow Stanley, the three-term Democratic Party mayor, was removed from office by angry voters due to a $30 million deficit. He didn’t accept the blame for the disaster. Instead he blamed racism.
“The stench of racism that reeks [from] this election will linger in the nostrils of this community for decades," Stanley said. In reality, plenty of black voters had turned out to drive him out of office.
...
Flint’s dirty water originated with its dirty Democratic Party overlords. Blaming Republicans won’t clean it up.
The Democrats’ Filthy Flint Water
Grandma
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Nice thread fail, moron.
The republican Governor appointed a special crony to cut costs in poor communities. His crony made the decision to use river water.
The Governor knew last year that the water was toxic.
The republican Governor. That authorized the switch based on his crony's recommendation.
The republican Governor appointed a special crony to cut costs in poor communities. His crony made the decision to use river water.
The Governor knew last year that the water was toxic.
The republican Governor. That authorized the switch based on his crony's recommendation.
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I've seen editorials blaming the Republicans for this and then editorials blaming Democrats for this. What I haven't seen are suggestions on how to fix it quickly and take care of anyone harmed by it.
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So you deny that the city council voted to switch water sources? Are you part of that community? So you deny the fact given in the article? You do this without basis? Yes, Flint needs to save money and they way they decided to do it is have democrats to vote on poisoning their own children. Democrats should be ashamed. But the only shame democrats feel is that of their parents.
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Flint decided to switch water providers to save money. The construction of the new water line from Lake Huron was gonna take 3 years but DETROIT upon hearing about the switch cut them off of their water at the 1 year point. Forcing them to find another water source. A brand new treatment plant was built as it still had to be built anyway.
They went to the River to get the water and used the new treatment plant for their water. It is not that the water coming from the treatment plant was bad for you, but that the LEAD PIPES the water was flowing through were causing the water to pick up lead. The treatment for the old lead pipes would require a HIGHER PH to prevent more lead in the water. The lower PH water caused the pipes to BLEED LEAD.
Now the OLD PIPES are further damaged, and the shift back to DETROIT WATER will not matter for a while. As the OLD PIPES will continue to BLEED LEAD. Only FILTERS at the HOME will suffice for a while to handle the current use.
In the end...........ALLTHE PIPES IN THE CITY NEED REPLACING. To stop the lead from getting into the water. Not only that old copper piping to the homes used lead soder......................causing lead to get into the water.
They went to the River to get the water and used the new treatment plant for their water. It is not that the water coming from the treatment plant was bad for you, but that the LEAD PIPES the water was flowing through were causing the water to pick up lead. The treatment for the old lead pipes would require a HIGHER PH to prevent more lead in the water. The lower PH water caused the pipes to BLEED LEAD.
Now the OLD PIPES are further damaged, and the shift back to DETROIT WATER will not matter for a while. As the OLD PIPES will continue to BLEED LEAD. Only FILTERS at the HOME will suffice for a while to handle the current use.
In the end...........ALLTHE PIPES IN THE CITY NEED REPLACING. To stop the lead from getting into the water. Not only that old copper piping to the homes used lead soder......................causing lead to get into the water.
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I have also read that the city manager appointed by the governor was heavily influential in this decision.
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