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How come no mention of the fall of the Temple in A.D. 70 in the NT?

HaShev

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I am curious about that one now..



(This is an estimate no exact year is possible)



New Testament

James--A.D. 44-49
Galatians--A.D. 49-50
Matthew--A.D. 50-60
Mark--A.D. 50-60
1 Thessalonians--A.D. 51
2 Thessalonians--A.D. 51-52
1 Corinthians--A.D. 55
2 Corinthians--A.D. 55-56
Romans-- A.D. 56
Luke--A.D. 60-61
Ephesians--A.D. 60-62
Philippians--A.D. 60-62
Philemon--A.D. 60-62
Colossians--A.D. 60-62
Acts--A.D. 62
1 Timothy--A.D. 62-64
Titus--A.D. 62-64
1 Peter--A.D. 64-65
2 Timothy--A.D. 66-67
2 Peter--A.D. 67-68
Hebrews--A.D. 67-69
Jude--A.D. 68-70
John--A.D. 80-90
1 John--A.D. 90-95
2 John--A.D. 90-95
3 John--A.D. 90-95
Revelation--A.D. 94-96









The Romans Destroy the Temple

at Jerusalem, 70 AD


In the year 66 AD the Jews of Judea rebelled against their Roman masters. In response, the Emperor Nero dispatched an army under the generalship of Vespasian to restore order. By the year 68, resistance in the northern part of the province had been eradicated and the Romans turned their full attention to the subjugation of Jerusalem. That same year, the Emperor Nero died by his own hand, creating a power vacuum in Rome. In the resultant chaos, Vespasian was declared Emperor and returned to the Imperial City. It fell to his son, Titus, to lead the remaining army in the assault on Jerusalem.


Roman Centurian
The Roman legions surrounded the city and began to slowly squeeze the life out of the Jewish stronghold. By the year 70, the attackers had breached Jerusalem's outer walls and began a systematic ransacking of the city. The assault culminated in the burning and destruction of the Temple that served as the center of Judaism.

In victory, the Romans slaughtered thousands. Of those sparred from death: thousands more were enslaved and sent to toil in the mines of Egypt, others were dispersed to arenas throughout the Empire to be butchered for the amusement of the public. The Temple's sacred relics were taken to Rome where they were displayed in celebration of the victory.

The rebellion sputtered on for another three years and was finally extinguished in 73 AD with the fall of the various pockets of resistance including the stronghold at Masada.

"...the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy."

Our only first-hand account of the Roman assault on the Temple comes from the Jewish historian Josephus Flavius. Josephus was a former leader of the Jewish Revolt who had surrendered to the Romans and had won favor from Vespasian. In gratitude, Josephus took on Vespasian's family name - Flavius - as his own. We join his account as the Romans fight their way into the inner sanctum of the Temple:

"...the rebels shortly after attacked the Romans again, and a clash followed between the guards of the sanctuary and the troops who were putting out the fire inside the inner court; the latter routed the Jews and followed in hot pursuit right up to the Temple itself. Then one of the soldiers, without awaiting any orders and with no dread of so momentous a deed, but urged on by some supernatural force, snatched a blazing piece of wood and, climbing on another soldier's back, hurled the flaming brand through a low golden window that gave access, on the north side, to the rooms that surrounded the sanctuary. As the flames shot up, the Jews let out a shout of dismay that matched the tragedy; they flocked to the rescue, with no thought of sparing their lives or husbanding their strength; for the sacred structure that they had constantly guarded with such devotion was vanishing before their very eyes.



...No exhortation or threat could now restrain the impetuosity of the legions; for passion was in supreme command. Crowded together around the entrances, many were trampled down by their companions; others, stumbling on the smoldering and smoked-filled ruins of the porticoes, died as miserably as the defeated. As they drew closer to the Temple, they pretended not even to hear Caesar's orders, but urged the men in front to throw in more firebrands. The rebels were powerless to help; carnage and flight spread throughout.

Most of the slain were peaceful citizens, weak and unarmed, and they were butchered where they were caught. The heap of corpses mounted higher and higher about the altar; a stream of blood flowed down the Temple's steps, and the bodies of those slain at the top slipped to the bottom.
Because thr NT promises would be proven false and opposite and the failed fulfillment would be exposed as the role of Moshiach is to return the Temple and Temple Priests, not cause it's destruction and scatter and remove the Priests.
Good Shabbos!
 

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For the old school Jews the Temple was just a scam run by post-exilic Babylonians. It's fall is predicted in the NT by Jesus; Christians were advocators of returning to the Judaism of Moses, the written Torah and rejecting the hidebound legalisms of the Pharisees and the false pretenses of the Sadduccees, a return to the spirit over the law. So yes, it is mentioned in the NT. The Temple scam held no religious relevance to Christians, and in fact was regarded as a blight and an injustice.


Jesus Predicts the Destruction of the Temple​

24 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

The Temple has zero relevance to Judaism, and nothing to do with the racist cults started by Ezra and the Babylonians to line their pockets, to become later on the 'rabbinical Judaism' cults in the 2nd Century A.D., after the Bar Kokbha failure.
 
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smh :disagree:. You are FBB. Farked beyond belief.

Unfortunately, I won't be there to see it.

Those of us familiar with other boards over the years recognize the collection of posters using the name 'Surada' as the same group of trolls who used the name 'Margo' and 'Margo2' on multiple boards for many years; same type of posts, same dumb lies, etc. Between them all they usually rack up from 60,000 to 120,000 posts a year, on multiple boards at the same time. You're arguing with a troll farm sock.
 

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Because thr NT promises would be proven false and opposite and the failed fulfillment would be exposed as the role of Moshiach is to return the Temple and Temple Priests, not cause it's destruction and scatter and remove the Priests.
Good Shabbos!
lol rubbish.
 

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how about THE OP? which of the writers of the NT would
seem like a candidate to report on the destruction of the
Temple? OR---what would Constantine have done with those
lines?

Constantine didn't do anything with any lines, despite your raving lunacy over repeatedly claiming he rewrote stuff.
 

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Those of us familiar with other boards over the years recognize the collection of posters using the name 'Surada' as the same group of trolls who used the name 'Margo' and 'Margo2' on multiple boards for many years; same type of posts, same dumb lies, etc. Between them all they usually rack up from 60,000 to 120,000 posts a year, on multiple boards at the same time. You're arguing with a troll farm sock.

You sure are wrong for such a smart guy.
 

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Constantine didn't do anything with any lines, despite your raving lunacy over repeatedly claiming he rewrote stuff.
Eusebius was the great liar forger who changed text, including Josephus' historical accts.
He even admitted that he "suppressed all that could tend to the disgrace, of (the) religion".
It's most likely Constantine commanded, coordinated Eusebius and had overseen the changes.
 

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For the old school Jews the Temple was just a scam run by post-exilic Babylonians. It's fall is predicted in the NT by Jesus; Christians were advocators of returning to the Judaism of Moses, the written Torah and rejecting the hidebound legalisms of the Pharisees and the false pretenses of the Sadduccees, a return to the spirit over the law. So yes, it is mentioned in the NT. The Temple scam held no religious relevance to Christians, and in fact was regarded as a blight and an injustice.


Jesus Predicts the Destruction of the Temple​

24 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

The Temple has zero relevance to Judaism, and nothing to do with the racist cults started by Ezra and the Babylonians to line their pockets, to become later on the 'rabbinical Judaism' cults in the 2nd Century A.D., after the Bar Kokbha failure.
oh ----according to DUDley-----the prophecies of Isaiah are all Bullshit-----someone should tell the pope
 

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oh ----according to DUDley-----the prophecies of Isaiah are all Bullshit-----someone should tell the pope

Isaiah did predict Cyrus.. Isaiah 44:28.

Who really wrote the Book of Isaiah? - Jewish World ...
According to tradition first appearing in the Talmud, a compendium of Jewish law redacted in Babylonia at about 500 CE (Bava Batra 14b-15a), the Book of Isaiah was written by King Hezekiah, who reigned from 715 to 686 BCE, and his aides. How the Jewish sages came to this conclusion is clear.
 
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Eusebius was the great liar forger who changed text, including Josephus' historical accts.
He even admitted that he "suppressed all that could tend to the disgrace, of (the) religion".
It's most likely Constantine commanded, coordinated Eusebius and had overseen the changes.

Says a crank nutjob. Are you and Rosie damaged in the same part of the brain? Just curious.
 

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It should be no surprise.
The KJV is, without a doubt, the most edited, redacted and outright rewritten book in the world.
What the Bible is today, is so modified and edited that scholars, who have spent their lived studying Christianity, when reading ancient texts can't determine what books they are from.
 

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The glaring fact is no one in their right minds could get away with rewriting anything in the NT in 320 or in the previous 280 years, it was all already too well established, and any moron who tried would be laughed out of their churches. The idea that the Christian bishops in attendance could be intimidated by anybody into rewritng anythng is even more hilariously ridiculous. Just because the fake 'Orthodox' cultists were changing their stuff up to suit themselves all the time doesn't mean all the Jewish sects did the same thing. Christians didn't need to fake genealogies for their Rabbis either, like the Orthodox had to do for R. Judah in order to give him a job in a synagogue.
 

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Isaiah did predict Cyrus.. Isaiah 44:28.

Who really wrote the Book of Isaiah? - Jewish World ...
According to tradition first appearing in the Talmud, a compendium of Jewish law redacted in Babylonia at about 500 CE (Bava Batra 14b-15a), the Book of Isaiah was written by King Hezekiah, who reigned from 715 to 686 BCE, and his aides. How the Jewish sages came to this conclusion is clear.
BS ^^^ writings were often "ATTRIBUTED" to a king
The glaring fact is no one in their right minds could get away with rewriting anything in the NT in 320 or in the previous 280 years, it was all already too well established, and any moron who tried would be laughed out of their churches. The idea that the Christian bishops in attendance could be intimidated by anybody into rewritng anythng is even more hilariously ridiculous. Just because the fake 'Orthodox' cultists were changing their stuff up to suit themselves all the time doesn't mean all the Jewish sects did the same thing. Christians didn't need to fake genealogies for their Rabbis either, like the Orthodox had to do for R. Judah in order to give him a job in a synagogue.
Of course----at that time (before al gore invented the internet)
all of the followers of "gawd's son" had vast libraries of all the
famous written gospels----they had been mass produced in the
north pole. Who is R. Judah and what was his job in the synagogue?
 

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BS ^^^ writings were often "ATTRIBUTED" to a king

Of course----at that time (before al gore invented the internet)
all of the followers of "gawd's son" had vast libraries of all the
famous written gospels----they had been mass produced in the
north pole. Who is R. Judah and what was his job in the synagogue?


We already established a long time ago you don't know history, outside of the racist rubbish you got from some Chasidic cult nutjobs in NYC.
 

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We already established a long time ago you don't know history, outside of the racist rubbish you got from some Chasidic cult nutjobs in NYC.
who is "we" I did not grow up in NYC nor have I EVER attended
a chassidic school------in fact in NYC they (the chassidic people) speak Yiddish and the only Yiddish word I know is SCHMUCK.
Schmuck is not hebrew, a language in which I am limited. There
are lots of Judahs. I am glad that Judah, whoever he is--has a job.
You, DUD, habibi, seem unable to answer the simplest questions about YOUR OWN STATEMENTS
 

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The glaring fact is no one in their right minds could get away with rewriting anything in the NT in 320 or in the previous 280 years, it was all already too well established, and any moron who tried would be laughed out of their churches. The idea that the Christian bishops in attendance could be intimidated by anybody into rewritng anythng is even more hilariously ridiculous. Just because the fake 'Orthodox' cultists were changing their stuff up to suit themselves all the time doesn't mean all the Jewish sects did the same thing. Christians didn't need to fake genealogies for their Rabbis either, like the Orthodox had to do for R. Judah in order to give him a job in a synagogue.
DUD for what job in the Synagogue were fake genealogies
created?? of course, I am specifically interested in R. Judah
Do you happen to have any of those thousands of books that
were in the possession of the millions of followers of the son of
Gawd----or just a single copy? I have lots of NT's ---little tiny
pocket size with little tiny print-----in english
 

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Constantine didn't do anything with any lines, despite your raving lunacy over repeatedly claiming he rewrote stuff.
the issue at question is-----why is the FACT of the destruction of the
Temple not mentioned by any of the geniuses who WROTE the
NT other than writing "IT WILL BE DESTROYED" a few centuries
after it was. I like fortune cookies and ouji boards. Isaiah wrote
poetry that a whole bunch of christians cherry picked for predictions
INTENSELY-------and now you are ready to discard Isaiah. sheeeeesh
 

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the issue at question is-----why is the FACT of the destruction of the
Temple not mentioned by any of the geniuses who WROTE the
NT other than writing "IT WILL BE DESTROYED" a few centuries
after it was. I like fortune cookies and ouji boards. Isaiah wrote
poetry that a whole bunch of christians cherry picked for predictions
INTENSELY-------and now you are ready to discard Isaiah. sheeeeesh

norwegen

Isaiah wrote about Israel and Cyrus the Great not Jesus.
 

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norwegen

Isaiah wrote about Israel and Cyrus the Great not Jesus.
Isaiah writes about the DAYS AFTER ..... which is (as all men know)
in the days after redemption " lo yisah goy el goy cherv v'lo
ymaldu od milchamah " (approximately) which is a prediction
"nation will no longer lift sword against nation and they will
no longer learn war" <<the messianic age. He also
describes a government with a king who has a kind of
religious function associated with the Temple and an implication
on no army (sorta) which lines refer to Cyrus?
 

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