How come Jesus fulfilled all verses on Lucifer, none on ACTUAL Messiah prerequisites

[HaShev]

Using Christianity's standard of reasoning Jesus who admitted being Lucifer at the end of the Roman farce has to be Lucifer otherwise he can't be Messiah in the first place if they disregard their own standard and argument. If they disregard their own argument then that makes him a false messiah thus Lucifer....no matter how you look at it Jesus who came as the first fallen messiah is that son of perdition aka Lucifer who was expected to come 1st as the imposter, fall to the pit (Acts 2:27 & 1 Peter 3;19) by the hands of the seas(Rome), for claiming to be a god. -Ezekiel 28
Be deemed perfect full of Brightness
-Rev 22:16
Be deemed the anointed (Christ)
Cherub (guardian in Hebrew=Nazarene)
--Ezekiel 28:14

The pierced dragon-Isaiah 49
Lucifer(morning star) is
Speared pierced-Isaiah 14:12-17

 

[hadit]

You, like some other Christ haters, seem to be obsessed with Him. You need to surrender your life to Him so the conviction will cease.

 

[SYTFE]

We don't really have any evidence of what Jesus "fulfilled," did or even said for that matter, considering there was a 50-70 year GAP between the time he allegedly walked the Earth and the time one word was ever written about him.

This is despite the fact that there were ~30 historians alive and well and active who lived in the general area at the time who surely would've documented this Jesus' guys impressive feats and miracle working.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Using Christianity's standard of reasoning Jesus who admitted being Lucifer at the end of the Roman farce has to be Lucifer otherwise he can't be Messiah in the first place if they disregard their own standard and argument. If they disregard their own argument then that makes him a false messiah thus Lucifer....no matter how you look at it Jesus who came as the first fallen messiah is that son of perdition aka Lucifer who was expected to come 1st as the imposter, fall to the pit (Acts 2:27 & 1 Peter 3;19) by the hands of the seas(Rome), for claiming to be a god. -Ezekiel 28
Be deemed perfect full of Brightness
-Rev 22:16
Be deemed the anointed (Christ)
Cherub (guardian in Hebrew=Nazarene)
--Ezekiel 28:14

The pierced dragon-Isaiah 49
Lucifer(morning star) is
Speared pierced-Isaiah 14:12-17

Can't wait till your scales are removed.......

 

[hobelim]

You, like some other Christ haters, seem to be obsessed with Him. You need to surrender your life to Him so the conviction will cease.

Since Hashev has perjured himself in the name of God by professing to be the real messiah, the conviction will never cease.

 

[yiostheoy]

We don't really have any evidence of what Jesus "fulfilled," did or even said for that matter, considering there was a 50-70 year GAP between the time he allegedly walked the Earth and the time one word was ever written about him.

This is despite the fact that there were ~30 historians alive and well and active who lived in the general area at the time who surely would've documented this Jesus' guys impressive feats and miracle working.

30 year gap -- not more though. Your math is off.

St. James and St. Paul were both writing about Jesus in 62 AD whereas Jesus had been crucified in 33 AD.

That's 30 not 50.

 

[The Irish Ram]

They started recording it immediately. Peter wrote that he was sitting with people that saw Jesus upon his return. In fact all the the writings we have concerning Christ were done within the 70 year period following his death. There was no gap.

For we did not follow cleverly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty.

Christ fulfilled ALL of the prophesies of the prophets. Including the things he would have had no control over. Never once admitted He was Satan. Sad you can tell the difference betweeen the two, but the day is coming that you will see Christ, your Messiah, and weep.

 

[SYTFE]

We don't really have any evidence of what Jesus "fulfilled," did or even said for that matter, considering there was a 50-70 year GAP between the time he allegedly walked the Earth and the time one word was ever written about him.

This is despite the fact that there were ~30 historians alive and well and active who lived in the general area at the time who surely would've documented this Jesus' guys impressive feats and miracle working.

30 year gap -- not more though. Your math is off.

St. James and St. Paul were both writing about Jesus in 62 AD whereas Jesus had been crucified in 33 AD.

That's 30 not 50.

Your facts are off.

Mark was the first one written. Matthew, Luke and John were derivatives of Mark. Mark mentions the destruction of the jewish temple which wasn't until the year 70, so all of the gospels came some time after year 70 or even later. Hard to get the exact dating.

At any rate, the gospels couldn't possibly be a more unreliable documentation of Christ's alleged existence. Why didn't any historians write about him? Don't mention Josephus -- that's a known forgery.

 

[The Irish Ram]

You, like some other Christ haters, seem to be obsessed with Him. You need to surrender your life to Him so the conviction will cease.

Since Hashev has perjured himself in the name of God by professing to be the real messiah, the conviction will never cease.

It can cease as quickly as a Hashev heart transplant from the Holy Spirit. This is a how quickly> God forgive me, I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, who removed my sins. I accept Jesus Christ as the savior of my life. It works the same for every human on earth.

 

[SYTFE]

Using Christianity's standard of reasoning Jesus who admitted being Lucifer at the end of the Roman farce has to be Lucifer otherwise he can't be Messiah in the first place if they disregard their own standard and argument. If they disregard their own argument then that makes him a false messiah thus Lucifer....no matter how you look at it Jesus who came as the first fallen messiah is that son of perdition aka Lucifer who was expected to come 1st as the imposter, fall to the pit (Acts 2:27 & 1 Peter 3;19) by the hands of the seas(Rome), for claiming to be a god. -Ezekiel 28
Be deemed perfect full of Brightness
-Rev 22:16
Be deemed the anointed (Christ)
Cherub (guardian in Hebrew=Nazarene)
--Ezekiel 28:14

The pierced dragon-Isaiah 49
Lucifer(morning star) is
Speared pierced-Isaiah 14:12-17

Can't wait till your scales are removed.......

Lovely comment from a "Christian." Get the fuck out of here with your hate.

 

[Weatherman2020]

You, like some other Christ haters, seem to be obsessed with Him. You need to surrender your life to Him so the conviction will cease.

They know deep down they are wrong, that's why they keep coming back.

 

[HaShev]

You, like some other Christ haters, seem to be obsessed with Him. You need to surrender your life to Him so the conviction will cease.

So your rebuttle is to say I'm a hater of Lucifer or rather top arch rival of Lucifer?
Are you saying I am the Shiloh
Archangel Michael?
Or are you exposing that Lucifer Jesus makes you hate anyone who won't stroke his ego and your affiliation pride like you guys accuse Muslims doing with Mohammad?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Using Christianity's standard of reasoning Jesus who admitted being Lucifer at the end of the Roman farce has to be Lucifer otherwise he can't be Messiah in the first place if they disregard their own standard and argument. If they disregard their own argument then that makes him a false messiah thus Lucifer....no matter how you look at it Jesus who came as the first fallen messiah is that son of perdition aka Lucifer who was expected to come 1st as the imposter, fall to the pit (Acts 2:27 & 1 Peter 3;19) by the hands of the seas(Rome), for claiming to be a god. -Ezekiel 28
Be deemed perfect full of Brightness
-Rev 22:16
Be deemed the anointed (Christ)
Cherub (guardian in Hebrew=Nazarene)
--Ezekiel 28:14

The pierced dragon-Isaiah 49
Lucifer(morning star) is
Speared pierced-Isaiah 14:12-17

Can't wait till your scales are removed.......

Lovely comment from a "Christian." Get the fuck out of here with your hate.

No hate to be found. It's Biblical. And it will last until the Age of the Gentile is complete.

What then? What Israel was seeking, it failed to obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, as it is written: “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see, and ears that could not hear, to this very day.”

I didn't put them there, I won't be the one removing them, but the quicker the Jews are saved from annihilation, the better, and Christ is the one that is going to prevent their demise, so maranatha Lord, maranatha.

 

[HaShev]

We don't really have any evidence of what Jesus "fulfilled," did or even said for that matter, considering there was a 50-70 year GAP between the time he allegedly walked the Earth and the time one word was ever written about him.

This is despite the fact that there were ~30 historians alive and well and active who lived in the general area at the time who surely would've documented this Jesus' guys impressive feats and miracle working.

Agree but if you count Yeshu son of Mary of 100bc then there is a 150-170 year gap and much evidence they themselves quarreled over worshiping different christ figures then they were.

 

[emilynghiem]

Using Christianity's standard of reasoning Jesus who admitted being Lucifer at the end of the Roman farce has to be Lucifer otherwise he can't be Messiah in the first place if they disregard their own standard and argument. If they disregard their own argument then that makes him a false messiah thus Lucifer....no matter how you look at it Jesus who came as the first fallen messiah is that son of perdition aka Lucifer who was expected to come 1st as the imposter, fall to the pit (Acts 2:27 & 1 Peter 3;19) by the hands of the seas(Rome), for claiming to be a god. -Ezekiel 28
Be deemed perfect full of Brightness
-Rev 22:16
Be deemed the anointed (Christ)
Cherub (guardian in Hebrew=Nazarene)
--Ezekiel 28:14

The pierced dragon-Isaiah 49
Lucifer(morning star) is
Speared pierced-Isaiah 14:12-17

Dear HaShev
I have found that faith in Jesus fulfills both.

So if you enforce the Lucifer fear-based approach, and invoke "authority of law" to impose
RETRIBUTIVE JUSTICE or Antichrist, as terrorists and Hitler abused power to commit genocide,
then yes this is visibly and historically manifested.

However, what is stronger than even genocide is the stories of reconciliation and healing through
RESTORATIVE JUSTICE.
And this is ALL OVER THE INTERNET.

Seek and ye shall find.

If you use the internet and media to dig up dirt, great, you can find tons of that.
Terrorism, murder, mayhem and the garbage on Reality TV and talk shows sells very well.

If you want to find the truth about the power of transformation and healing
that prayer in Christ Jesus authorizes, lo and behold, the internet now allows us to
find and connect all those independent ministries as well.

Some have healed entire communities of crime by bringing people together in prayer.

So the truth is out there, both sides:
* if you follow the path of destruction and selfishness, yes this leads to death and hellish suffering
* if you seek the path of peace and justice by establishing universal truth and love that sets humanity
free, this not only heals individual mind body and spirit, but heals RELATIONSHIPS and collectively
as it multiples leads to unity and heavenly peace for all humanity.

Yes, you can argue it is all faith based, and there is no agreed proof YET.

But just like we can never prove the "theory of gravity" that doesn't mean we can't make use of it.
We can never prove what we dreamed last night, but we can agree to use dreams to help
interpret problems we are trying to solve, and use them for good, even if they remain symbolic
and only have relative meaning to us individually.

People HAVE studied spiritual healing, and found it worked enough to use it to help themselves and others. So this is as direct manifestation of Christ Jesus you can get that even Science can measure and quantify as effectively healing people of diseases (and even homosexuality and other conditions related to abuse or addiction)
EX: http://www.christianhealingmin.org EX: www.healingisyours.com

Even secular programs have helped teach FORGIVENESS
and KINDNESS as healing people and communities, and having
MORE power and MORE lasting influence than the negative bullying, coercion and abuse going on. EX: Rachel's Challenge EX: Worldwide Forgiveness Alliance


So this is all over, HaShev

You can look at the bad, but also look at the good that conquers the bad.
EX: Peter (Moshe) Loth
EX: Living side by side – genocide victims and perpetrators reconcile the past

And given how humans want peace, happiness, satisfaction and security in life,
guess which path ends up being the one that prevails?

One path is not sustainable but bankrupts itself by costing more and more.

The path to peace in solving problems leads to better use of resources to help
ourselves and others with less energy and effort than it takes to keep fighting and blaming.
So that is sustainable.

And given humanity's finite means and limited resources,
we will eventually learn we cannot afford to keep making war, to keep covering for crimes and corruption,
but will need to turn this around and invest in solutions that are more cost-effective and sustainable.

Both are going on, HaShev
so we can compare the cost factors, and chose WHICH path to invest in.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ha Sheve is a false messiah.

He has met every verse in fulfillment of his damned foreordination.

 

[HaShev]

Using Christianity's standard of reasoning Jesus who admitted being Lucifer at the end of the Roman farce has to be Lucifer otherwise he can't be Messiah in the first place if they disregard their own standard and argument. If they disregard their own argument then that makes him a false messiah thus Lucifer....no matter how you look at it Jesus who came as the first fallen messiah is that son of perdition aka Lucifer who was expected to come 1st as the imposter, fall to the pit (Acts 2:27 & 1 Peter 3;19) by the hands of the seas(Rome), for claiming to be a god. -Ezekiel 28
Be deemed perfect full of Brightness
-Rev 22:16
Be deemed the anointed (Christ)
Cherub (guardian in Hebrew=Nazarene)
--Ezekiel 28:14

The pierced dragon-Isaiah 49
Lucifer(morning star) is
Speared pierced-Isaiah 14:12-17

Can't wait till your scales are removed.......

Ummm you just admited Jesus is Lucifer who in Iconographs is pulling at the Judgement scales to confuse the weight of your deeds in judgement. In other words your get away with sin in stroking an idols ego instead of good works and righteousness is outweighed in your satanic twist of fair justice=tipping the scales of justice.
So you admit you want to thief the Judges Justice(to messenger Michael) and take away his role and give them to Jesus(Lucifer)? You already did this when you lied to everyone in saying Jesus was the Judge.
Checkmate!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Using Christianity's standard of reasoning Jesus who admitted being Lucifer at the end of the Roman farce has to be Lucifer otherwise he can't be Messiah in the first place if they disregard their own standard and argument. If they disregard their own argument then that makes him a false messiah thus Lucifer....no matter how you look at it Jesus who came as the first fallen messiah is that son of perdition aka Lucifer who was expected to come 1st as the imposter, fall to the pit (Acts 2:27 & 1 Peter 3;19) by the hands of the seas(Rome), for claiming to be a god. -Ezekiel 28
Be deemed perfect full of Brightness
-Rev 22:16
Be deemed the anointed (Christ)
Cherub (guardian in Hebrew=Nazarene)
--Ezekiel 28:14

The pierced dragon-Isaiah 49
Lucifer(morning star) is
Speared pierced-Isaiah 14:12-17

Can't wait till your scales are removed.......

Ummm you just admited Jesus is Lucifer who in Iconographs is pulling at the Judgement scales to confuse the weight of your deeds in judgement. In other words your get away with sin in stroking an idols ego instead of good works and righteousness is outweighed in your satanic twist of fair justice=tipping the scales of justice.
So you admit you want to thief the Judges Justice(to messenger Michael) and take away his role and give them to Jesus(Lucifer)? You already did this when you lied to everyone in saying Jesus was the Judge.
Checkmate!

You are the cursed false Messiah, demon.

 

[The Irish Ram]

You, like some other Christ haters, seem to be obsessed with Him. You need to surrender your life to Him so the conviction will cease.

So your rebuttle is to say I'm a hater of Lucifer or rather top arch rival of Lucifer?
Are you saying I am the Shiloh
Archangel Michael?
Or are you exposing that Lucifer Jesus makes you hate anyone who won't stroke his ego and your affiliation pride like you guys accuse Muslims doing with Mohammad?

You are a lost Jew. No more no less.

 

[Weatherman2020]

You, like some other Christ haters, seem to be obsessed with Him. You need to surrender your life to Him so the conviction will cease.

So your rebuttle is to say I'm a hater of Lucifer or rather top arch rival of Lucifer?
Are you saying I am the Shiloh
Archangel Michael?
Or are you exposing that Lucifer Jesus makes you hate anyone who won't stroke his ego and your affiliation pride like you guys accuse Muslims doing with Mohammad?

You are a lost Jew. No more no less.

Ask him about the Syrian oil being taken into Israel.
He had no idea the border between the 2 nations is a double fenced DMZ with land mines.