How Bush/Cheney brought torture to the US

[bendog]

And you ignore president Obama perpetrating a slaughter on thousands of innocent women and children from 25,000 feet.

Hypocrites..

If that indeed is true that the OP here ignores that,he is a sorry disgrace to the human race as is anybody who says Obama is any different than Bush when the facts are overhwhelming he is as much a mass murderer as Bush is the FACT he has contiuned his policys he would reverse.Hypocrite is putting it nicely.

Drones are a military attack against a known enemy. No different than bombing runs or mortar attacks

Torture is a human rights violation against someone who has already surrendered and is in your control

Not the same

Yes, but I don't think abu ghaib was torture. Torture implies you are trying to extract info or get a prisoner to do something specific. The Americans involved were simply criminal sociopaths.

Torture is still torture

Your motivation does not change that

Yeah, you're right. We did torture at that stupid prison. Never should have been there. And the troops were improperly trained.

 

[rightwinger]

And you ignore president Obama perpetrating a slaughter on thousands of innocent women and children from 25,000 feet.

Hypocrites..

If that indeed is true that the OP here ignores that,he is a sorry disgrace to the human race as is anybody who says Obama is any different than Bush when the facts are overhwhelming he is as much a mass murderer as Bush is the FACT he has contiuned his policys he would reverse.Hypocrite is putting it nicely.

Drones are a military attack against a known enemy. No different than bombing runs or mortar attacks

Torture is a human rights violation against someone who has already surrendered and is in your control

Not the same

Yes, but I don't think abu ghaib was torture. Torture implies you are trying to extract info or get a prisoner to do something specific. The Americans involved were simply criminal sociopaths.

Torture is still torture

Your motivation does not change that

Yeah, you're right. We did torture at that stupid prison. Never should have been there. And the troops were improperly trained.

Abu Gharib was the least of our sins

It was conducted at the lowest level. Our bigger sins were the organized torture we conducted with the approval of Bush/Cheney

Something they still brag about

 

[Siete]

get Bert to redefine torture in the eyes of the country, and to suit the Bush Cartel torture program, then get rid of his arse ..

 

[gipper]

How Bush at the direction of Cheney sold out our countries morals


How George W. Bush and Dick Cheney brought torture to America
The most striking example of this came directly after 9/11, when al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah was captured. Since the CIA had zero personnel with experience in interrogation, the FBI was initially brought in. Ali Soufan, a highly experienced interrogator and Muslim who speaks fluent Arabic, took charge of the questioning. He deployed the traditional police model, which focuses on building rapport and a criminal case. Almost immediately, Zubaydah gave up Khalid Sheik Mohammad as a member of al Qaeda.


A man named James Mitchell convinced the Bush brass that he had a better way. The CIA eventually paid his company — co-founded with another psychologist, Bruce Jessen — $81 million. The two had been psychologists in the Air Force, where they oversaw the mock interrogators in the SERE program, which trained Navy SEALs what to do in case they were captured or tortured by the enemy.
Mitchell did not speak Arabic. He had no experience whatsoever in Islamic extremism generally or al Qaeda in particular. And he had never even interrogated anyone. That is who replaced Soufan, who was without question one of the finest al Qaeda specialists in the entire country at the time. That is the level of competence the Bush administration was willing to flush down the toilet to validate its iron belief that non-violent interrogations (soft, weak, liberal) could never work, despite Soufan's proven success.

My father was in France some time after D-day. He witnessed a large loosely barbed wire encircled field with Nazi SS troops held inside. The field was ringed with hidden machine gun nests. For the several nights he was stationed nearby, the machine guns would awaken him and others. They were most unhappy about losing sleep. In the morning, dead Nazis would be found laying about. He believed the Nazis were not properly contained on purpose, so that they could be shot while trying to escape.

FDR brought torture to America.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Not this stupid shit again.....

Good grief.

 

[blackhawk]

BDS alive and well in 2015.

 

[rightwinger]

How Bush at the direction of Cheney sold out our countries morals


How George W. Bush and Dick Cheney brought torture to America
The most striking example of this came directly after 9/11, when al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah was captured. Since the CIA had zero personnel with experience in interrogation, the FBI was initially brought in. Ali Soufan, a highly experienced interrogator and Muslim who speaks fluent Arabic, took charge of the questioning. He deployed the traditional police model, which focuses on building rapport and a criminal case. Almost immediately, Zubaydah gave up Khalid Sheik Mohammad as a member of al Qaeda.


A man named James Mitchell convinced the Bush brass that he had a better way. The CIA eventually paid his company — co-founded with another psychologist, Bruce Jessen — $81 million. The two had been psychologists in the Air Force, where they oversaw the mock interrogators in the SERE program, which trained Navy SEALs what to do in case they were captured or tortured by the enemy.
Mitchell did not speak Arabic. He had no experience whatsoever in Islamic extremism generally or al Qaeda in particular. And he had never even interrogated anyone. That is who replaced Soufan, who was without question one of the finest al Qaeda specialists in the entire country at the time. That is the level of competence the Bush administration was willing to flush down the toilet to validate its iron belief that non-violent interrogations (soft, weak, liberal) could never work, despite Soufan's proven success.

My father was in France some time after D-day. He witnessed a large loosely barbed wire encircled field with Nazi SS troops held inside. The field was ringed with hidden machine gun nests. For the several nights he was stationed nearby, the machine guns would awaken him and others. They were most unhappy about losing sleep. In the morning, dead Nazis would be found laying about. He believed the Nazis were not properly contained on purpose, so that they could be shot while trying to escape.

FDR brought torture to America.

Show where FDR condoned anything like that

Bush/Cheney did

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

How Bush at the direction of Cheney sold out our countries morals


How George W. Bush and Dick Cheney brought torture to America
The most striking example of this came directly after 9/11, when al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah was captured. Since the CIA had zero personnel with experience in interrogation, the FBI was initially brought in. Ali Soufan, a highly experienced interrogator and Muslim who speaks fluent Arabic, took charge of the questioning. He deployed the traditional police model, which focuses on building rapport and a criminal case. Almost immediately, Zubaydah gave up Khalid Sheik Mohammad as a member of al Qaeda.


A man named James Mitchell convinced the Bush brass that he had a better way. The CIA eventually paid his company — co-founded with another psychologist, Bruce Jessen — $81 million. The two had been psychologists in the Air Force, where they oversaw the mock interrogators in the SERE program, which trained Navy SEALs what to do in case they were captured or tortured by the enemy.
Mitchell did not speak Arabic. He had no experience whatsoever in Islamic extremism generally or al Qaeda in particular. And he had never even interrogated anyone. That is who replaced Soufan, who was without question one of the finest al Qaeda specialists in the entire country at the time. That is the level of competence the Bush administration was willing to flush down the toilet to validate its iron belief that non-violent interrogations (soft, weak, liberal) could never work, despite Soufan's proven success.

My father was in France some time after D-day. He witnessed a large loosely barbed wire encircled field with Nazi SS troops held inside. The field was ringed with hidden machine gun nests. For the several nights he was stationed nearby, the machine guns would awaken him and others. They were most unhappy about losing sleep. In the morning, dead Nazis would be found laying about. He believed the Nazis were not properly contained on purpose, so that they could be shot while trying to escape.

FDR brought torture to America.

Show where FDR condoned anything like that

Bush/Cheney did

Show where Bush or Cheney did... and FYI, just saying they did doesn't prove shit. And here's some links of all the war crimes committed by the U.S. under that POS Roosevelt:

United States war crimes - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Dot Com]

BDS alive and well in 2015.

Benghazi Derangement Syndrome by Rightists? You would be correct

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

BDS alive and well in 2015.

Benghazi Derangement Syndrome by Rightists? You would be correct

Benghazi Denial Syndrome by the leftists hacks who obviously condone the routine assignation of foreign nationals but balk at pouring water on people.

Makes perfect sense.

 

[Dot Com]

How Bush at the direction of Cheney sold out our countries morals


How George W. Bush and Dick Cheney brought torture to America
The most striking example of this came directly after 9/11, when al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah was captured. Since the CIA had zero personnel with experience in interrogation, the FBI was initially brought in. Ali Soufan, a highly experienced interrogator and Muslim who speaks fluent Arabic, took charge of the questioning. He deployed the traditional police model, which focuses on building rapport and a criminal case. Almost immediately, Zubaydah gave up Khalid Sheik Mohammad as a member of al Qaeda.


A man named James Mitchell convinced the Bush brass that he had a better way. The CIA eventually paid his company — co-founded with another psychologist, Bruce Jessen — $81 million. The two had been psychologists in the Air Force, where they oversaw the mock interrogators in the SERE program, which trained Navy SEALs what to do in case they were captured or tortured by the enemy.
Mitchell did not speak Arabic. He had no experience whatsoever in Islamic extremism generally or al Qaeda in particular. And he had never even interrogated anyone. That is who replaced Soufan, who was without question one of the finest al Qaeda specialists in the entire country at the time. That is the level of competence the Bush administration was willing to flush down the toilet to validate its iron belief that non-violent interrogations (soft, weak, liberal) could never work, despite Soufan's proven success.

My father was in France some time after D-day. He witnessed a large loosely barbed wire encircled field with Nazi SS troops held inside. The field was ringed with hidden machine gun nests. For the several nights he was stationed nearby, the machine guns would awaken him and others. They were most unhappy about losing sleep. In the morning, dead Nazis would be found laying about. He believed the Nazis were not properly contained on purpose, so that they could be shot while trying to escape.

FDR brought torture to America.

Show where FDR condoned anything like that

Bush/Cheney did

Show where Bush or Cheney did... and FYI, just saying they did doesn't prove shit. And here's some links of all the war crimes committed by the U.S. under that POS Roosevelt:

United States war crimes - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That POS President put America on the world stage of manufacturing so you wouldn't live in a po' dunk backwater. Oh wait!!! You do , Louisiana lol

 

[Dot Com]

BDS alive and well in 2015.

Benghazi Derangement Syndrome by Rightists? You would be correct

Benghazi Denial Syndrome by the leftists hacks who obviously condone the routine assignation of foreign nationals but balk at pouring water on people.

Makes perfect sense.

what are your thoughts on 4,500 (vietraq) vs. 4 (Libya) you hack?

 

[Claudette]

Lol. That boat sailed in vietnam.

Yup and its been sailing ever since.

Hell. I'd "torture" every one of those shitbags and not lose a minutes sleep over it.

 

[rightwinger]

Newly Released E-Mails Reveal Cheney Pressured DOJ to Approve Torture Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

How Bush at the direction of Cheney sold out our countries morals


How George W. Bush and Dick Cheney brought torture to America
The most striking example of this came directly after 9/11, when al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah was captured. Since the CIA had zero personnel with experience in interrogation, the FBI was initially brought in. Ali Soufan, a highly experienced interrogator and Muslim who speaks fluent Arabic, took charge of the questioning. He deployed the traditional police model, which focuses on building rapport and a criminal case. Almost immediately, Zubaydah gave up Khalid Sheik Mohammad as a member of al Qaeda.


A man named James Mitchell convinced the Bush brass that he had a better way. The CIA eventually paid his company — co-founded with another psychologist, Bruce Jessen — $81 million. The two had been psychologists in the Air Force, where they oversaw the mock interrogators in the SERE program, which trained Navy SEALs what to do in case they were captured or tortured by the enemy.
Mitchell did not speak Arabic. He had no experience whatsoever in Islamic extremism generally or al Qaeda in particular. And he had never even interrogated anyone. That is who replaced Soufan, who was without question one of the finest al Qaeda specialists in the entire country at the time. That is the level of competence the Bush administration was willing to flush down the toilet to validate its iron belief that non-violent interrogations (soft, weak, liberal) could never work, despite Soufan's proven success.

My father was in France some time after D-day. He witnessed a large loosely barbed wire encircled field with Nazi SS troops held inside. The field was ringed with hidden machine gun nests. For the several nights he was stationed nearby, the machine guns would awaken him and others. They were most unhappy about losing sleep. In the morning, dead Nazis would be found laying about. He believed the Nazis were not properly contained on purpose, so that they could be shot while trying to escape.

FDR brought torture to America.

Show where FDR condoned anything like that

Bush/Cheney did

Show where Bush or Cheney did... and FYI, just saying they did doesn't prove shit. And here's some links of all the war crimes committed by the U.S. under that POS Roosevelt:

United States war crimes - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That POS President put America on the world stage of manufacturing so you wouldn't live in a po' dunk backwater. Oh wait!!! You do , Louisiana lol

No he didn't. And where do you live that' so wonderful? Some overtaxed, elitist shithole like NY? And I can say that, I used to live there.... that's why I left.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Newly Released E-Mails Reveal Cheney Pressured DOJ to Approve Torture Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

You lost me when I read "appears to suggest".

 

[blackhawk]

BDS alive and well in 2015.

Benghazi Derangement Syndrome by Rightists? You would be correct

At least Benghazi was somewhat recent event and I can assure you I won't be starting threads about it over ten years from now.

 

[bendog]

If that indeed is true that the OP here ignores that,he is a sorry disgrace to the human race as is anybody who says Obama is any different than Bush when the facts are overhwhelming he is as much a mass murderer as Bush is the FACT he has contiuned his policys he would reverse.Hypocrite is putting it nicely.

Drones are a military attack against a known enemy. No different than bombing runs or mortar attacks

Torture is a human rights violation against someone who has already surrendered and is in your control

Not the same

Yes, but I don't think abu ghaib was torture. Torture implies you are trying to extract info or get a prisoner to do something specific. The Americans involved were simply criminal sociopaths.

Torture is still torture

Your motivation does not change that

Yeah, you're right. We did torture at that stupid prison. Never should have been there. And the troops were improperly trained.

Abu Gharib was the least of our sins

It was conducted at the lowest level. Our bigger sins were the organized torture we conducted with the approval of Bush/Cheney

Something they still brag about

Well yes, but Abu Gharib was referenced in your link. I think the actual linkage to it and waterboarding is pretty weak. The former was the result of starting a war we were totally unprepared to wage, and our only claim to winning it was when Petraues actually paid the Sunni to stop killing us, and now those guys are part of ISIS. The latter was official policy.

The Code of Military Justice didn't authorize waterboarding and actually should have prevented it. But, the boy warrior king and the Bloody Dwarf threw the rules out the window. They say that the potential for another, even bloodier, 9-11 justified it. Probably the intelligence we gained was not very valuable, and time will tell if torture coupled with what we've done in the ME will create more and deadlier enemies than we had before.

 

[bendog]

BDS alive and well in 2015.

Benghazi Derangement Syndrome by Rightists? You would be correct

At least Benghazi was somewhat recent event and I can assure you I won't be starting threads about it over ten years from now.

The military and CIA will be debating torture long after that, I assure you.

 

[rightwinger]

Drones are a military attack against a known enemy. No different than bombing runs or mortar attacks

Torture is a human rights violation against someone who has already surrendered and is in your control

Not the same

Yes, but I don't think abu ghaib was torture. Torture implies you are trying to extract info or get a prisoner to do something specific. The Americans involved were simply criminal sociopaths.

Torture is still torture

Your motivation does not change that

Yeah, you're right. We did torture at that stupid prison. Never should have been there. And the troops were improperly trained.

Abu Gharib was the least of our sins

It was conducted at the lowest level. Our bigger sins were the organized torture we conducted with the approval of Bush/Cheney

Something they still brag about

Well yes, but Abu Gharib was referenced in your link. I think the actual linkage to it and waterboarding is pretty weak. The former was the result of starting a war we were totally unprepared to wage, and our only claim to winning it was when Petraues actually paid the Sunni to stop killing us, and now those guys are part of ISIS. The latter was official policy.

The Code of Military Justice didn't authorize waterboarding and actually should have prevented it. But, the boy warrior king and the Bloody Dwarf threw the rules out the window. They say that the potential for another, even bloodier, 9-11 justified it. Probably the intelligence we gained was not very valuable, and time will tell if torture coupled with what we've done in the ME will create more and deadlier enemies than we had before.

The damage to the reputation of our country far exceeds any intelligence gained