How Bush/Cheney brought torture to the US

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The damage to the reputation of our country far exceeds any intelligence gained

^ that

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Yes, but I don't think abu ghaib was torture. Torture implies you are trying to extract info or get a prisoner to do something specific. The Americans involved were simply criminal sociopaths.

Torture is still torture

Your motivation does not change that

Yeah, you're right. We did torture at that stupid prison. Never should have been there. And the troops were improperly trained.

Abu Gharib was the least of our sins

It was conducted at the lowest level. Our bigger sins were the organized torture we conducted with the approval of Bush/Cheney

Something they still brag about

Well yes, but Abu Gharib was referenced in your link. I think the actual linkage to it and waterboarding is pretty weak. The former was the result of starting a war we were totally unprepared to wage, and our only claim to winning it was when Petraues actually paid the Sunni to stop killing us, and now those guys are part of ISIS. The latter was official policy.

The Code of Military Justice didn't authorize waterboarding and actually should have prevented it. But, the boy warrior king and the Bloody Dwarf threw the rules out the window. They say that the potential for another, even bloodier, 9-11 justified it. Probably the intelligence we gained was not very valuable, and time will tell if torture coupled with what we've done in the ME will create more and deadlier enemies than we had before.

The damage to the reputation of our country far exceeds any intelligence gained

There's no damage to our reputation... regardless off how much you wish that to be the case.

 

[Rozman]

The OP is so gullible that he doesn't even know that he has been brainwashed by the DNC into thinking that the VP was ordering the President what to do.

Oh no....Cheney was just a timid bystander

And what exactly is Valerie Jarrett?

 

[rightwinger]

Torture is still torture

Your motivation does not change that

Yeah, you're right. We did torture at that stupid prison. Never should have been there. And the troops were improperly trained.

Abu Gharib was the least of our sins

It was conducted at the lowest level. Our bigger sins were the organized torture we conducted with the approval of Bush/Cheney

Something they still brag about

Well yes, but Abu Gharib was referenced in your link. I think the actual linkage to it and waterboarding is pretty weak. The former was the result of starting a war we were totally unprepared to wage, and our only claim to winning it was when Petraues actually paid the Sunni to stop killing us, and now those guys are part of ISIS. The latter was official policy.

The Code of Military Justice didn't authorize waterboarding and actually should have prevented it. But, the boy warrior king and the Bloody Dwarf threw the rules out the window. They say that the potential for another, even bloodier, 9-11 justified it. Probably the intelligence we gained was not very valuable, and time will tell if torture coupled with what we've done in the ME will create more and deadlier enemies than we had before.

The damage to the reputation of our country far exceeds any intelligence gained

There's no damage to our reputation... regardless off how much you wish that to be the case.

Maybe to you

I used to live in a nation that would not resort to torture. We used to hold ourselves up as an example to the world

 

[rightwinger]

The OP is so gullible that he doesn't even know that he has been brainwashed by the DNC into thinking that the VP was ordering the President what to do.

Oh no....Cheney was just a timid bystander

And what exactly is Valerie Jarrett?

Who did she torture?

 

[The Irish Ram]

And you ignore president Obama perpetrating a slaughter on thousands of innocent women and children from 25,000 feet.

Hypocrites..

Just bump pw's post as it is the best retort to the OP. This is not a Republican malady. Gun running seems to be a Democrat activity, whether it be Syria or Mexico. I wonder how many are killed when the Democrats start handing out guns?
I'll bet 4 were killed in Benghazi just to make sure it stayed a secret.
Sweep your own porch before you comment on mine.........

 

[Misty]

How Bush at the direction of Cheney sold out our countries morals


How George W. Bush and Dick Cheney brought torture to America
The most striking example of this came directly after 9/11, when al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah was captured. Since the CIA had zero personnel with experience in interrogation, the FBI was initially brought in. Ali Soufan, a highly experienced interrogator and Muslim who speaks fluent Arabic, took charge of the questioning. He deployed the traditional police model, which focuses on building rapport and a criminal case. Almost immediately, Zubaydah gave up Khalid Sheik Mohammad as a member of al Qaeda.


A man named James Mitchell convinced the Bush brass that he had a better way. The CIA eventually paid his company — co-founded with another psychologist, Bruce Jessen — $81 million. The two had been psychologists in the Air Force, where they oversaw the mock interrogators in the SERE program, which trained Navy SEALs what to do in case they were captured or tortured by the enemy.
Mitchell did not speak Arabic. He had no experience whatsoever in Islamic extremism generally or al Qaeda in particular. And he had never even interrogated anyone. That is who replaced Soufan, who was without question one of the finest al Qaeda specialists in the entire country at the time. That is the level of competence the Bush administration was willing to flush down the toilet to validate its iron belief that non-violent interrogations (soft, weak, liberal) could never work, despite Soufan's proven success.

Idiot bloggers are really worried about the next election. They must not have much faith in Hillary.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Yeah, you're right. We did torture at that stupid prison. Never should have been there. And the troops were improperly trained.

Abu Gharib was the least of our sins

It was conducted at the lowest level. Our bigger sins were the organized torture we conducted with the approval of Bush/Cheney

Something they still brag about

Well yes, but Abu Gharib was referenced in your link. I think the actual linkage to it and waterboarding is pretty weak. The former was the result of starting a war we were totally unprepared to wage, and our only claim to winning it was when Petraues actually paid the Sunni to stop killing us, and now those guys are part of ISIS. The latter was official policy.

The Code of Military Justice didn't authorize waterboarding and actually should have prevented it. But, the boy warrior king and the Bloody Dwarf threw the rules out the window. They say that the potential for another, even bloodier, 9-11 justified it. Probably the intelligence we gained was not very valuable, and time will tell if torture coupled with what we've done in the ME will create more and deadlier enemies than we had before.

The damage to the reputation of our country far exceeds any intelligence gained

There's no damage to our reputation... regardless off how much you wish that to be the case.

Maybe to you

I used to live in a nation that would not resort to torture. We used to hold ourselves up as an example to the world

You mean back when our president wasn't importing and arming people that have vowed to and are murdering us?

 

[rightwinger]

How Bush at the direction of Cheney sold out our countries morals


How George W. Bush and Dick Cheney brought torture to America
The most striking example of this came directly after 9/11, when al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah was captured. Since the CIA had zero personnel with experience in interrogation, the FBI was initially brought in. Ali Soufan, a highly experienced interrogator and Muslim who speaks fluent Arabic, took charge of the questioning. He deployed the traditional police model, which focuses on building rapport and a criminal case. Almost immediately, Zubaydah gave up Khalid Sheik Mohammad as a member of al Qaeda.


A man named James Mitchell convinced the Bush brass that he had a better way. The CIA eventually paid his company — co-founded with another psychologist, Bruce Jessen — $81 million. The two had been psychologists in the Air Force, where they oversaw the mock interrogators in the SERE program, which trained Navy SEALs what to do in case they were captured or tortured by the enemy.
Mitchell did not speak Arabic. He had no experience whatsoever in Islamic extremism generally or al Qaeda in particular. And he had never even interrogated anyone. That is who replaced Soufan, who was without question one of the finest al Qaeda specialists in the entire country at the time. That is the level of competence the Bush administration was willing to flush down the toilet to validate its iron belief that non-violent interrogations (soft, weak, liberal) could never work, despite Soufan's proven success.

Idiot bloggers are really worried about the next election. They must not have much faith in Hillary.

The story will be featured on Frontline

You should watch

 

[rightwinger]

Abu Gharib was the least of our sins

It was conducted at the lowest level. Our bigger sins were the organized torture we conducted with the approval of Bush/Cheney

Something they still brag about

Well yes, but Abu Gharib was referenced in your link. I think the actual linkage to it and waterboarding is pretty weak. The former was the result of starting a war we were totally unprepared to wage, and our only claim to winning it was when Petraues actually paid the Sunni to stop killing us, and now those guys are part of ISIS. The latter was official policy.

The Code of Military Justice didn't authorize waterboarding and actually should have prevented it. But, the boy warrior king and the Bloody Dwarf threw the rules out the window. They say that the potential for another, even bloodier, 9-11 justified it. Probably the intelligence we gained was not very valuable, and time will tell if torture coupled with what we've done in the ME will create more and deadlier enemies than we had before.

The damage to the reputation of our country far exceeds any intelligence gained

There's no damage to our reputation... regardless off how much you wish that to be the case.

Maybe to you

I used to live in a nation that would not resort to torture. We used to hold ourselves up as an example to the world

You mean back when our president wasn't importing and arming people that have vowed to and are murdering us?

?

 

[Rozman]

We like to call it enhanced interrogation....thank you very much...

 

[rightwinger]

We like to call it enhanced interrogation....thank you very much...

Almost like tickling

 

[Rozman]

And Nancy Pelosi knew about it....

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/pelosi-cia-misled-congress-over-waterboarding/?_r=0

 

[Rozman]

I'm going to move away from torture...That's so....Yesterday....
I see news today about Chicago heading into the shitter....
That will be more interesting...

 

[rightwinger]

And Nancy Pelosi knew about it....

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/pelosi-cia-misled-congress-over-waterboarding/?_r=0

I knew about it too

Doesn't make the degradation of our national honor any better

 

[Rozman]

Well I guess it's a good thing then that Hillary baby is such a lock to win in 2016.
She will make it all better.

 

[Muhammed]

Newly Released E-Mails Reveal Cheney Pressured DOJ to Approve Torture Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Pressured? LOL Bullshit! Cheney expressed his opinion. So fucking what!? That's his right as an American citizen.

That doesn't change the fact that the VP has no authority over the DOJ.

 

[S.J.]

And Nancy Pelosi knew about it....

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/pelosi-cia-misled-congress-over-waterboarding/?_r=0

I knew about it too

Doesn't make the degradation of our national honor any better

Honor? What do you know about honor? You support the least honorable individual who has ever disgraced the office of President. You're in no position to be preaching to anyone about honor.

 

[Claudette]

And Nancy Pelosi knew about it....

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/pelosi-cia-misled-congress-over-waterboarding/?_r=0

I knew about it too

Doesn't make the degradation of our national honor any better

National honor my ass. Its time America caught a fucking clue. All honor will do is get you killed especially when those you fight have no honor.

If you want to win against these shitbag Muslims we need to get down and dirty in the sewer right next to em.

Execute all those in Gitmo. Chop off some heads and let Al Jazira broadcast it. Let those shitbags know exactly whats waiting for em if captured. They have no honor, why should we when dealing with those shitbags??

No more mister nice guy following the Geneva convention rules. Rules that those shitbags DON'T follow.

You and those like you need to get your head out of your asses. Those shitbags are in our country and have been for years. Using our laws to protect themselves. Give em what they give. Treat them exactly as one of our captured soldiers would be treated. Let em know that mister nice guy is no more.

If the rest of the world and idiots like you don't like it them tough fucking shit. Let the rest of the world deal with em when they land on their shores and do what they do everywhere. Kill, maim and behead.

Those shitbags want to take over the world. Sharia law and Muslims ruling and as long as we play by the mister nice guy rules they have a pretty good shot at getting exactly what they want.

Honor my ass.

 

[rightwinger]

And Nancy Pelosi knew about it....

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/pelosi-cia-misled-congress-over-waterboarding/?_r=0

I knew about it too

Doesn't make the degradation of our national honor any better

National honor my ass. Its time America caught a fucking clue. All honor will do is get you killed especially when those you fight have no honor.

If you want to win against these shitbag Muslims we need to get down and dirty in the sewer right next to em.

Execute all those in Gitmo. Chop off some heads and let Al Jazira broadcast it. Let those shitbags know exactly whats waiting for em if captured. They have no honor, why should we when dealing with those shitbags??

No more mister nice guy following the Geneva convention rules. Rules that those shitbags DON'T follow.

You and those like you need to get your head out of your asses. Those shitbags are in our country and have been for years. Using our laws to protect themselves. Give em what they give. Treat them exactly as one of our captured soldiers would be treated. Let em know that mister nice guy is no more.

If the rest of the world and idiots like you don't like it them tough fucking shit. Let the rest of the world deal with em when they land on their shores and do what they do everywhere. Kill, maim and behead.

Those shitbags want to take over the world. Sharia law and Muslims ruling and as long as we play by the mister nice guy rules they have a pretty good shot at getting exactly what they want.

Honor my ass.

Why do you want our nation to sink to the level of terrorists?

If you sink to their level...they have won