How about some examples of this “socialism” stuff y’all are afraid of?

[jc456]

Loooool....ignorance these trump supporters display everyday is baffling.

Like I said . They don’t know what the word means . It’s just an insult to them: “This pizza has anchovies , its socialist !”

I get it. You don't want to Keep America Great. You want it to flounder like socialist Venezuela. Who is trying to get out of socialism.

What we do here is nothing like what’s going on in Venezuela.

Unless you’d like to provide an example . Cause I’m not really seeing any .

American's could keep their doctor?

Did you lose your doctor ?

I didn't, but my deductibles doubled and the price of a visit increased.

 

[debbiedowner]

Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia

ProgramsFederal Spending*State Spending*Total Spending*TOTAL cost in (billions) (2011)$717$210$927Social Security OASDI (2013)$785Medicare(2013)$574TOTAL all programs (billions)$2,286CASH ASSISTANCE (millions)SSI/Old Age Assistance56,4624,67361,135Earned Income Tax Credit (refundable portion)55,65255,652Refundable Child Credit22,69122,691Make Work Pay Tax Credit (Refundable Portion)13,90513,905Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF, old AFDC)6,8836,87713,760Foster Care Title IVE4,4563,9218,377Adoption Assistance Title IVE2,3621,3163,678General Assistance Cash2,6252,625Refugee Assistance168168General Assistance to Indians115115Assets for Independence2424CASH TOTAL162,71819,412182,130MEDICALMedicaid274,964157,600432,564SCHIP State Supplemental Health Insurance Program8,6293,79712,426Medical General Assistance6,9666,966Consolidated Health Center/Community Health Centers1,4811,481Maternal & Child Health6564921,148Medical Assistance to Refugees168168Healthy Start104104MEDICAL TOTAL289,817168,855458,672FOODFood Stamps, SNAP77,6376,98784,624School Lunch Program10,32110,321WIC Women, Infant and Children Food Program6,7876,787School Breakfast3,0763,076Child Care Food Program2,7322,732Nutrition Program for the Elderly, Nutrition Service Incentives820139959Summer Program376376Commodity Supplemental Food Program196196TEFAP Temporary Emergency Food Program247247Needy Families6060Farmers' Market Nutrition Program2323Special Milk Program1313FOOD TOTAL102,2887,127109,415HOUSINGSection 8 Housing (HUD)28,43528,435Public Housing (HUD)8,9738,973Low Income Housing Tax Credit for Developers6,1506,150Home Investment Partnership Program (HUD)2,8532,853Homeless Assistance Grants (HUD)2,2802,280State Housing Expenditures (from SWE)2,0852,085Rural Housing Insurance Fund (Agriculture)1,6891,689Rural Housing Service (Agriculture)1,0851,085Housing for the Elderly (HUD)934934Native American Housing Block Grants (HUD)854854Other Assisted Housing Programs (HUD)496496Housing for Persons with Disabilities (HUD)309309HOUSING TOTAL54,0582,08556,143ENERGY AND UTILITIESLIHEAP Low Income Home Energy Assistance4,4194,419Universal Service Fund Subsidized Low Income Phone Service1,7501,750Weatherization234234ENERGY AND UTILITIES TOTAL6,4036,403EDUCATIONPell Grants41,45841,458Title One Grants to Local Education Authorities14,47214,47221st Century Learning Centers1,1571,157Special Programs for Disadvantaged (TRIO)883883Supplemental Education Opportunity Grants740.00740.00Adult Basic Education Grants607607Migrant Education444444Gear-Up303303LEAP
Formerly State Student Incentive Grant Program (SSIG)11Education for Homeless Children and Youth6565Even Start44Aid for Graduate and Professional Study for Disadvantaged and Minorities4141EDUCATION TOTAL60,17560,175TRAININGTANF Work Activities and Training2,5058323,337Job Corps1,6591,659WIA Youth Opportunity Grants
Formerly Summer Youth Employment946946Senior Community Service Employment70578783WIA Adult Employment and Training
Formerly JTPA IIA Training for Disadvantaged Adults & Youth766766Food Stamp Employment and Training Program393166559Foster Grandparents10410114YouthBuild110110Migrant Training8585Native American Training5252TRAINING TOTAL7,3251,0868,411SERVICESTANF Block Grant Services5,3854,83810,223Title XX Social Services Block Grant1,7871,787Community Service Block Grant678678Social Services for Refugees Asylees and Humanitarian Cases417417Safe and Stable Families553553Title III Aging Americans Act369369Legal Services Block Grant406406Family Planning298298Emergency Food and Shelter Program4848Healthy Marriage and Responsible Fatherhood Grants5050Independent Living (Chafee Foster Care Independence Program)14028168Independent Living Training Vouchers4545Maternal, Infants and Children Home Visitation3636SERVICES TOTAL10,4114,86615,278CHILD CARE AND CHILD DEVELOPMENTHeadstart7,5591,8909,449Childcare and Child Development Block Grant2,9842,1765,160Childcare Entitlement to the States3,1003,100TANF Block Grant Child Care2,3192,6444,962CHILD CARE & CHILD DEVELOPMENT TOTAL15,9626,71022,671COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENTCommunity Development Block Grant and Related Development Funds7,4457,445Economic Development Administration (Dept. of Commerce)423423Appalachian Regional Development6868Empowerment Zones, Enterprise Communities Renewal11COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TOTAL7,9377,937TOTAL in millions (2011)$717,093$210,140$927,234Social Security OASDI (2013)$785,700Medicare (2013)$574,200TOTAL in millions$2,287,133

Well didn't post the way I copied but if you go to the top link and scroll down you'll see this better. Seems to me we're more than half way there.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia

ProgramsFederal Spending*State Spending*Total Spending*TOTAL cost in (billions) (2011)$717$210$927Social Security OASDI (2013)$785Medicare(2013)$574TOTAL all programs (billions)$2,286CASH ASSISTANCE (millions)SSI/Old Age Assistance56,4624,67361,135Earned Income Tax Credit (refundable portion)55,65255,652Refundable Child Credit22,69122,691Make Work Pay Tax Credit (Refundable Portion)13,90513,905Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF, old AFDC)6,8836,87713,760Foster Care Title IVE4,4563,9218,377Adoption Assistance Title IVE2,3621,3163,678General Assistance Cash2,6252,625Refugee Assistance168168General Assistance to Indians115115Assets for Independence2424CASH TOTAL162,71819,412182,130MEDICALMedicaid274,964157,600432,564SCHIP State Supplemental Health Insurance Program8,6293,79712,426Medical General Assistance6,9666,966Consolidated Health Center/Community Health Centers1,4811,481Maternal & Child Health6564921,148Medical Assistance to Refugees168168Healthy Start104104MEDICAL TOTAL289,817168,855458,672FOODFood Stamps, SNAP77,6376,98784,624School Lunch Program10,32110,321WIC Women, Infant and Children Food Program6,7876,787School Breakfast3,0763,076Child Care Food Program2,7322,732Nutrition Program for the Elderly, Nutrition Service Incentives820139959Summer Program376376Commodity Supplemental Food Program196196TEFAP Temporary Emergency Food Program247247Needy Families6060Farmers' Market Nutrition Program2323Special Milk Program1313FOOD TOTAL102,2887,127109,415HOUSINGSection 8 Housing (HUD)28,43528,435Public Housing (HUD)8,9738,973Low Income Housing Tax Credit for Developers6,1506,150Home Investment Partnership Program (HUD)2,8532,853Homeless Assistance Grants (HUD)2,2802,280State Housing Expenditures (from SWE)2,0852,085Rural Housing Insurance Fund (Agriculture)1,6891,689Rural Housing Service (Agriculture)1,0851,085Housing for the Elderly (HUD)934934Native American Housing Block Grants (HUD)854854Other Assisted Housing Programs (HUD)496496Housing for Persons with Disabilities (HUD)309309HOUSING TOTAL54,0582,08556,143ENERGY AND UTILITIESLIHEAP Low Income Home Energy Assistance4,4194,419Universal Service Fund Subsidized Low Income Phone Service1,7501,750Weatherization234234ENERGY AND UTILITIES TOTAL6,4036,403EDUCATIONPell Grants41,45841,458Title One Grants to Local Education Authorities14,47214,47221st Century Learning Centers1,1571,157Special Programs for Disadvantaged (TRIO)883883Supplemental Education Opportunity Grants740.00740.00Adult Basic Education Grants607607Migrant Education444444Gear-Up303303LEAP
Formerly State Student Incentive Grant Program (SSIG)11Education for Homeless Children and Youth6565Even Start44Aid for Graduate and Professional Study for Disadvantaged and Minorities4141EDUCATION TOTAL60,17560,175TRAININGTANF Work Activities and Training2,5058323,337Job Corps1,6591,659WIA Youth Opportunity Grants
Formerly Summer Youth Employment946946Senior Community Service Employment70578783WIA Adult Employment and Training
Formerly JTPA IIA Training for Disadvantaged Adults & Youth766766Food Stamp Employment and Training Program393166559Foster Grandparents10410114YouthBuild110110Migrant Training8585Native American Training5252TRAINING TOTAL7,3251,0868,411SERVICESTANF Block Grant Services5,3854,83810,223Title XX Social Services Block Grant1,7871,787Community Service Block Grant678678Social Services for Refugees Asylees and Humanitarian Cases417417Safe and Stable Families553553Title III Aging Americans Act369369Legal Services Block Grant406406Family Planning298298Emergency Food and Shelter Program4848Healthy Marriage and Responsible Fatherhood Grants5050Independent Living (Chafee Foster Care Independence Program)14028168Independent Living Training Vouchers4545Maternal, Infants and Children Home Visitation3636SERVICES TOTAL10,4114,86615,278CHILD CARE AND CHILD DEVELOPMENTHeadstart7,5591,8909,449Childcare and Child Development Block Grant2,9842,1765,160Childcare Entitlement to the States3,1003,100TANF Block Grant Child Care2,3192,6444,962CHILD CARE & CHILD DEVELOPMENT TOTAL15,9626,71022,671COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENTCommunity Development Block Grant and Related Development Funds7,4457,445Economic Development Administration (Dept. of Commerce)423423Appalachian Regional Development6868Empowerment Zones, Enterprise Communities Renewal11COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TOTAL7,9377,937TOTAL in millions (2011)$717,093$210,140$927,234Social Security OASDI (2013)$785,700Medicare (2013)$574,200TOTAL in millions$2,287,133

Well didn't post the way I copied but if you go to the top link and scroll down you'll see this better. Seems to me we're more than half way there.

Social services/programs is not socialism.

 

[jc456]

Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia

ProgramsFederal Spending*State Spending*Total Spending*TOTAL cost in (billions) (2011)$717$210$927Social Security OASDI (2013)$785Medicare(2013)$574TOTAL all programs (billions)$2,286CASH ASSISTANCE (millions)SSI/Old Age Assistance56,4624,67361,135Earned Income Tax Credit (refundable portion)55,65255,652Refundable Child Credit22,69122,691Make Work Pay Tax Credit (Refundable Portion)13,90513,905Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF, old AFDC)6,8836,87713,760Foster Care Title IVE4,4563,9218,377Adoption Assistance Title IVE2,3621,3163,678General Assistance Cash2,6252,625Refugee Assistance168168General Assistance to Indians115115Assets for Independence2424CASH TOTAL162,71819,412182,130MEDICALMedicaid274,964157,600432,564SCHIP State Supplemental Health Insurance Program8,6293,79712,426Medical General Assistance6,9666,966Consolidated Health Center/Community Health Centers1,4811,481Maternal & Child Health6564921,148Medical Assistance to Refugees168168Healthy Start104104MEDICAL TOTAL289,817168,855458,672FOODFood Stamps, SNAP77,6376,98784,624School Lunch Program10,32110,321WIC Women, Infant and Children Food Program6,7876,787School Breakfast3,0763,076Child Care Food Program2,7322,732Nutrition Program for the Elderly, Nutrition Service Incentives820139959Summer Program376376Commodity Supplemental Food Program196196TEFAP Temporary Emergency Food Program247247Needy Families6060Farmers' Market Nutrition Program2323Special Milk Program1313FOOD TOTAL102,2887,127109,415HOUSINGSection 8 Housing (HUD)28,43528,435Public Housing (HUD)8,9738,973Low Income Housing Tax Credit for Developers6,1506,150Home Investment Partnership Program (HUD)2,8532,853Homeless Assistance Grants (HUD)2,2802,280State Housing Expenditures (from SWE)2,0852,085Rural Housing Insurance Fund (Agriculture)1,6891,689Rural Housing Service (Agriculture)1,0851,085Housing for the Elderly (HUD)934934Native American Housing Block Grants (HUD)854854Other Assisted Housing Programs (HUD)496496Housing for Persons with Disabilities (HUD)309309HOUSING TOTAL54,0582,08556,143ENERGY AND UTILITIESLIHEAP Low Income Home Energy Assistance4,4194,419Universal Service Fund Subsidized Low Income Phone Service1,7501,750Weatherization234234ENERGY AND UTILITIES TOTAL6,4036,403EDUCATIONPell Grants41,45841,458Title One Grants to Local Education Authorities14,47214,47221st Century Learning Centers1,1571,157Special Programs for Disadvantaged (TRIO)883883Supplemental Education Opportunity Grants740.00740.00Adult Basic Education Grants607607Migrant Education444444Gear-Up303303LEAP
Formerly State Student Incentive Grant Program (SSIG)11Education for Homeless Children and Youth6565Even Start44Aid for Graduate and Professional Study for Disadvantaged and Minorities4141EDUCATION TOTAL60,17560,175TRAININGTANF Work Activities and Training2,5058323,337Job Corps1,6591,659WIA Youth Opportunity Grants
Formerly Summer Youth Employment946946Senior Community Service Employment70578783WIA Adult Employment and Training
Formerly JTPA IIA Training for Disadvantaged Adults & Youth766766Food Stamp Employment and Training Program393166559Foster Grandparents10410114YouthBuild110110Migrant Training8585Native American Training5252TRAINING TOTAL7,3251,0868,411SERVICESTANF Block Grant Services5,3854,83810,223Title XX Social Services Block Grant1,7871,787Community Service Block Grant678678Social Services for Refugees Asylees and Humanitarian Cases417417Safe and Stable Families553553Title III Aging Americans Act369369Legal Services Block Grant406406Family Planning298298Emergency Food and Shelter Program4848Healthy Marriage and Responsible Fatherhood Grants5050Independent Living (Chafee Foster Care Independence Program)14028168Independent Living Training Vouchers4545Maternal, Infants and Children Home Visitation3636SERVICES TOTAL10,4114,86615,278CHILD CARE AND CHILD DEVELOPMENTHeadstart7,5591,8909,449Childcare and Child Development Block Grant2,9842,1765,160Childcare Entitlement to the States3,1003,100TANF Block Grant Child Care2,3192,6444,962CHILD CARE & CHILD DEVELOPMENT TOTAL15,9626,71022,671COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENTCommunity Development Block Grant and Related Development Funds7,4457,445Economic Development Administration (Dept. of Commerce)423423Appalachian Regional Development6868Empowerment Zones, Enterprise Communities Renewal11COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TOTAL7,9377,937TOTAL in millions (2011)$717,093$210,140$927,234Social Security OASDI (2013)$785,700Medicare (2013)$574,200TOTAL in millions$2,287,133

Well didn't post the way I copied but if you go to the top link and scroll down you'll see this better. Seems to me we're more than half way there.

Social services/programs is not socialism.

even though it says Social in it? hmmmmm too funny.

 

[danielpalos]

Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia

ProgramsFederal Spending*State Spending*Total Spending*TOTAL cost in (billions) (2011)$717$210$927Social Security OASDI (2013)$785Medicare(2013)$574TOTAL all programs (billions)$2,286CASH ASSISTANCE (millions)SSI/Old Age Assistance56,4624,67361,135Earned Income Tax Credit (refundable portion)55,65255,652Refundable Child Credit22,69122,691Make Work Pay Tax Credit (Refundable Portion)13,90513,905Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF, old AFDC)6,8836,87713,760Foster Care Title IVE4,4563,9218,377Adoption Assistance Title IVE2,3621,3163,678General Assistance Cash2,6252,625Refugee Assistance168168General Assistance to Indians115115Assets for Independence2424CASH TOTAL162,71819,412182,130MEDICALMedicaid274,964157,600432,564SCHIP State Supplemental Health Insurance Program8,6293,79712,426Medical General Assistance6,9666,966Consolidated Health Center/Community Health Centers1,4811,481Maternal & Child Health6564921,148Medical Assistance to Refugees168168Healthy Start104104MEDICAL TOTAL289,817168,855458,672FOODFood Stamps, SNAP77,6376,98784,624School Lunch Program10,32110,321WIC Women, Infant and Children Food Program6,7876,787School Breakfast3,0763,076Child Care Food Program2,7322,732Nutrition Program for the Elderly, Nutrition Service Incentives820139959Summer Program376376Commodity Supplemental Food Program196196TEFAP Temporary Emergency Food Program247247Needy Families6060Farmers' Market Nutrition Program2323Special Milk Program1313FOOD TOTAL102,2887,127109,415HOUSINGSection 8 Housing (HUD)28,43528,435Public Housing (HUD)8,9738,973Low Income Housing Tax Credit for Developers6,1506,150Home Investment Partnership Program (HUD)2,8532,853Homeless Assistance Grants (HUD)2,2802,280State Housing Expenditures (from SWE)2,0852,085Rural Housing Insurance Fund (Agriculture)1,6891,689Rural Housing Service (Agriculture)1,0851,085Housing for the Elderly (HUD)934934Native American Housing Block Grants (HUD)854854Other Assisted Housing Programs (HUD)496496Housing for Persons with Disabilities (HUD)309309HOUSING TOTAL54,0582,08556,143ENERGY AND UTILITIESLIHEAP Low Income Home Energy Assistance4,4194,419Universal Service Fund Subsidized Low Income Phone Service1,7501,750Weatherization234234ENERGY AND UTILITIES TOTAL6,4036,403EDUCATIONPell Grants41,45841,458Title One Grants to Local Education Authorities14,47214,47221st Century Learning Centers1,1571,157Special Programs for Disadvantaged (TRIO)883883Supplemental Education Opportunity Grants740.00740.00Adult Basic Education Grants607607Migrant Education444444Gear-Up303303LEAP
Formerly State Student Incentive Grant Program (SSIG)11Education for Homeless Children and Youth6565Even Start44Aid for Graduate and Professional Study for Disadvantaged and Minorities4141EDUCATION TOTAL60,17560,175TRAININGTANF Work Activities and Training2,5058323,337Job Corps1,6591,659WIA Youth Opportunity Grants
Formerly Summer Youth Employment946946Senior Community Service Employment70578783WIA Adult Employment and Training
Formerly JTPA IIA Training for Disadvantaged Adults & Youth766766Food Stamp Employment and Training Program393166559Foster Grandparents10410114YouthBuild110110Migrant Training8585Native American Training5252TRAINING TOTAL7,3251,0868,411SERVICESTANF Block Grant Services5,3854,83810,223Title XX Social Services Block Grant1,7871,787Community Service Block Grant678678Social Services for Refugees Asylees and Humanitarian Cases417417Safe and Stable Families553553Title III Aging Americans Act369369Legal Services Block Grant406406Family Planning298298Emergency Food and Shelter Program4848Healthy Marriage and Responsible Fatherhood Grants5050Independent Living (Chafee Foster Care Independence Program)14028168Independent Living Training Vouchers4545Maternal, Infants and Children Home Visitation3636SERVICES TOTAL10,4114,86615,278CHILD CARE AND CHILD DEVELOPMENTHeadstart7,5591,8909,449Childcare and Child Development Block Grant2,9842,1765,160Childcare Entitlement to the States3,1003,100TANF Block Grant Child Care2,3192,6444,962CHILD CARE & CHILD DEVELOPMENT TOTAL15,9626,71022,671COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENTCommunity Development Block Grant and Related Development Funds7,4457,445Economic Development Administration (Dept. of Commerce)423423Appalachian Regional Development6868Empowerment Zones, Enterprise Communities Renewal11COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TOTAL7,9377,937TOTAL in millions (2011)$717,093$210,140$927,234Social Security OASDI (2013)$785,700Medicare (2013)$574,200TOTAL in millions$2,287,133

Well didn't post the way I copied but if you go to the top link and scroll down you'll see this better. Seems to me we're more than half way there.

Social services/programs is not socialism.

yes, social services must be socialism or they would be called capital services.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia

ProgramsFederal Spending*State Spending*Total Spending*TOTAL cost in (billions) (2011)$717$210$927Social Security OASDI (2013)$785Medicare(2013)$574TOTAL all programs (billions)$2,286CASH ASSISTANCE (millions)SSI/Old Age Assistance56,4624,67361,135Earned Income Tax Credit (refundable portion)55,65255,652Refundable Child Credit22,69122,691Make Work Pay Tax Credit (Refundable Portion)13,90513,905Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF, old AFDC)6,8836,87713,760Foster Care Title IVE4,4563,9218,377Adoption Assistance Title IVE2,3621,3163,678General Assistance Cash2,6252,625Refugee Assistance168168General Assistance to Indians115115Assets for Independence2424CASH TOTAL162,71819,412182,130MEDICALMedicaid274,964157,600432,564SCHIP State Supplemental Health Insurance Program8,6293,79712,426Medical General Assistance6,9666,966Consolidated Health Center/Community Health Centers1,4811,481Maternal & Child Health6564921,148Medical Assistance to Refugees168168Healthy Start104104MEDICAL TOTAL289,817168,855458,672FOODFood Stamps, SNAP77,6376,98784,624School Lunch Program10,32110,321WIC Women, Infant and Children Food Program6,7876,787School Breakfast3,0763,076Child Care Food Program2,7322,732Nutrition Program for the Elderly, Nutrition Service Incentives820139959Summer Program376376Commodity Supplemental Food Program196196TEFAP Temporary Emergency Food Program247247Needy Families6060Farmers' Market Nutrition Program2323Special Milk Program1313FOOD TOTAL102,2887,127109,415HOUSINGSection 8 Housing (HUD)28,43528,435Public Housing (HUD)8,9738,973Low Income Housing Tax Credit for Developers6,1506,150Home Investment Partnership Program (HUD)2,8532,853Homeless Assistance Grants (HUD)2,2802,280State Housing Expenditures (from SWE)2,0852,085Rural Housing Insurance Fund (Agriculture)1,6891,689Rural Housing Service (Agriculture)1,0851,085Housing for the Elderly (HUD)934934Native American Housing Block Grants (HUD)854854Other Assisted Housing Programs (HUD)496496Housing for Persons with Disabilities (HUD)309309HOUSING TOTAL54,0582,08556,143ENERGY AND UTILITIESLIHEAP Low Income Home Energy Assistance4,4194,419Universal Service Fund Subsidized Low Income Phone Service1,7501,750Weatherization234234ENERGY AND UTILITIES TOTAL6,4036,403EDUCATIONPell Grants41,45841,458Title One Grants to Local Education Authorities14,47214,47221st Century Learning Centers1,1571,157Special Programs for Disadvantaged (TRIO)883883Supplemental Education Opportunity Grants740.00740.00Adult Basic Education Grants607607Migrant Education444444Gear-Up303303LEAP
Formerly State Student Incentive Grant Program (SSIG)11Education for Homeless Children and Youth6565Even Start44Aid for Graduate and Professional Study for Disadvantaged and Minorities4141EDUCATION TOTAL60,17560,175TRAININGTANF Work Activities and Training2,5058323,337Job Corps1,6591,659WIA Youth Opportunity Grants
Formerly Summer Youth Employment946946Senior Community Service Employment70578783WIA Adult Employment and Training
Formerly JTPA IIA Training for Disadvantaged Adults & Youth766766Food Stamp Employment and Training Program393166559Foster Grandparents10410114YouthBuild110110Migrant Training8585Native American Training5252TRAINING TOTAL7,3251,0868,411SERVICESTANF Block Grant Services5,3854,83810,223Title XX Social Services Block Grant1,7871,787Community Service Block Grant678678Social Services for Refugees Asylees and Humanitarian Cases417417Safe and Stable Families553553Title III Aging Americans Act369369Legal Services Block Grant406406Family Planning298298Emergency Food and Shelter Program4848Healthy Marriage and Responsible Fatherhood Grants5050Independent Living (Chafee Foster Care Independence Program)14028168Independent Living Training Vouchers4545Maternal, Infants and Children Home Visitation3636SERVICES TOTAL10,4114,86615,278CHILD CARE AND CHILD DEVELOPMENTHeadstart7,5591,8909,449Childcare and Child Development Block Grant2,9842,1765,160Childcare Entitlement to the States3,1003,100TANF Block Grant Child Care2,3192,6444,962CHILD CARE & CHILD DEVELOPMENT TOTAL15,9626,71022,671COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENTCommunity Development Block Grant and Related Development Funds7,4457,445Economic Development Administration (Dept. of Commerce)423423Appalachian Regional Development6868Empowerment Zones, Enterprise Communities Renewal11COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TOTAL7,9377,937TOTAL in millions (2011)$717,093$210,140$927,234Social Security OASDI (2013)$785,700Medicare (2013)$574,200TOTAL in millions$2,287,133

Well didn't post the way I copied but if you go to the top link and scroll down you'll see this better. Seems to me we're more than half way there.

Social services/programs is not socialism.

yes, social services must be socialism or they would be called capital services.

No need to further show off your low IQ.

We have known this about you for quite some time.

 

[danielpalos]

Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia

ProgramsFederal Spending*State Spending*Total Spending*TOTAL cost in (billions) (2011)$717$210$927Social Security OASDI (2013)$785Medicare(2013)$574TOTAL all programs (billions)$2,286CASH ASSISTANCE (millions)SSI/Old Age Assistance56,4624,67361,135Earned Income Tax Credit (refundable portion)55,65255,652Refundable Child Credit22,69122,691Make Work Pay Tax Credit (Refundable Portion)13,90513,905Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF, old AFDC)6,8836,87713,760Foster Care Title IVE4,4563,9218,377Adoption Assistance Title IVE2,3621,3163,678General Assistance Cash2,6252,625Refugee Assistance168168General Assistance to Indians115115Assets for Independence2424CASH TOTAL162,71819,412182,130MEDICALMedicaid274,964157,600432,564SCHIP State Supplemental Health Insurance Program8,6293,79712,426Medical General Assistance6,9666,966Consolidated Health Center/Community Health Centers1,4811,481Maternal & Child Health6564921,148Medical Assistance to Refugees168168Healthy Start104104MEDICAL TOTAL289,817168,855458,672FOODFood Stamps, SNAP77,6376,98784,624School Lunch Program10,32110,321WIC Women, Infant and Children Food Program6,7876,787School Breakfast3,0763,076Child Care Food Program2,7322,732Nutrition Program for the Elderly, Nutrition Service Incentives820139959Summer Program376376Commodity Supplemental Food Program196196TEFAP Temporary Emergency Food Program247247Needy Families6060Farmers' Market Nutrition Program2323Special Milk Program1313FOOD TOTAL102,2887,127109,415HOUSINGSection 8 Housing (HUD)28,43528,435Public Housing (HUD)8,9738,973Low Income Housing Tax Credit for Developers6,1506,150Home Investment Partnership Program (HUD)2,8532,853Homeless Assistance Grants (HUD)2,2802,280State Housing Expenditures (from SWE)2,0852,085Rural Housing Insurance Fund (Agriculture)1,6891,689Rural Housing Service (Agriculture)1,0851,085Housing for the Elderly (HUD)934934Native American Housing Block Grants (HUD)854854Other Assisted Housing Programs (HUD)496496Housing for Persons with Disabilities (HUD)309309HOUSING TOTAL54,0582,08556,143ENERGY AND UTILITIESLIHEAP Low Income Home Energy Assistance4,4194,419Universal Service Fund Subsidized Low Income Phone Service1,7501,750Weatherization234234ENERGY AND UTILITIES TOTAL6,4036,403EDUCATIONPell Grants41,45841,458Title One Grants to Local Education Authorities14,47214,47221st Century Learning Centers1,1571,157Special Programs for Disadvantaged (TRIO)883883Supplemental Education Opportunity Grants740.00740.00Adult Basic Education Grants607607Migrant Education444444Gear-Up303303LEAP
Formerly State Student Incentive Grant Program (SSIG)11Education for Homeless Children and Youth6565Even Start44Aid for Graduate and Professional Study for Disadvantaged and Minorities4141EDUCATION TOTAL60,17560,175TRAININGTANF Work Activities and Training2,5058323,337Job Corps1,6591,659WIA Youth Opportunity Grants
Formerly Summer Youth Employment946946Senior Community Service Employment70578783WIA Adult Employment and Training
Formerly JTPA IIA Training for Disadvantaged Adults & Youth766766Food Stamp Employment and Training Program393166559Foster Grandparents10410114YouthBuild110110Migrant Training8585Native American Training5252TRAINING TOTAL7,3251,0868,411SERVICESTANF Block Grant Services5,3854,83810,223Title XX Social Services Block Grant1,7871,787Community Service Block Grant678678Social Services for Refugees Asylees and Humanitarian Cases417417Safe and Stable Families553553Title III Aging Americans Act369369Legal Services Block Grant406406Family Planning298298Emergency Food and Shelter Program4848Healthy Marriage and Responsible Fatherhood Grants5050Independent Living (Chafee Foster Care Independence Program)14028168Independent Living Training Vouchers4545Maternal, Infants and Children Home Visitation3636SERVICES TOTAL10,4114,86615,278CHILD CARE AND CHILD DEVELOPMENTHeadstart7,5591,8909,449Childcare and Child Development Block Grant2,9842,1765,160Childcare Entitlement to the States3,1003,100TANF Block Grant Child Care2,3192,6444,962CHILD CARE & CHILD DEVELOPMENT TOTAL15,9626,71022,671COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENTCommunity Development Block Grant and Related Development Funds7,4457,445Economic Development Administration (Dept. of Commerce)423423Appalachian Regional Development6868Empowerment Zones, Enterprise Communities Renewal11COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TOTAL7,9377,937TOTAL in millions (2011)$717,093$210,140$927,234Social Security OASDI (2013)$785,700Medicare (2013)$574,200TOTAL in millions$2,287,133

Well didn't post the way I copied but if you go to the top link and scroll down you'll see this better. Seems to me we're more than half way there.

Social services/programs is not socialism.

yes, social services must be socialism or they would be called capital services.

No need to further show off your low IQ.

We have known this about you for quite some time.

no actual rebuttal? too lazy to learn how to argue while alleging having a work ethic to learn how to fish is important.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia

ProgramsFederal Spending*State Spending*Total Spending*TOTAL cost in (billions) (2011)$717$210$927Social Security OASDI (2013)$785Medicare(2013)$574TOTAL all programs (billions)$2,286CASH ASSISTANCE (millions)SSI/Old Age Assistance56,4624,67361,135Earned Income Tax Credit (refundable portion)55,65255,652Refundable Child Credit22,69122,691Make Work Pay Tax Credit (Refundable Portion)13,90513,905Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF, old AFDC)6,8836,87713,760Foster Care Title IVE4,4563,9218,377Adoption Assistance Title IVE2,3621,3163,678General Assistance Cash2,6252,625Refugee Assistance168168General Assistance to Indians115115Assets for Independence2424CASH TOTAL162,71819,412182,130MEDICALMedicaid274,964157,600432,564SCHIP State Supplemental Health Insurance Program8,6293,79712,426Medical General Assistance6,9666,966Consolidated Health Center/Community Health Centers1,4811,481Maternal & Child Health6564921,148Medical Assistance to Refugees168168Healthy Start104104MEDICAL TOTAL289,817168,855458,672FOODFood Stamps, SNAP77,6376,98784,624School Lunch Program10,32110,321WIC Women, Infant and Children Food Program6,7876,787School Breakfast3,0763,076Child Care Food Program2,7322,732Nutrition Program for the Elderly, Nutrition Service Incentives820139959Summer Program376376Commodity Supplemental Food Program196196TEFAP Temporary Emergency Food Program247247Needy Families6060Farmers' Market Nutrition Program2323Special Milk Program1313FOOD TOTAL102,2887,127109,415HOUSINGSection 8 Housing (HUD)28,43528,435Public Housing (HUD)8,9738,973Low Income Housing Tax Credit for Developers6,1506,150Home Investment Partnership Program (HUD)2,8532,853Homeless Assistance Grants (HUD)2,2802,280State Housing Expenditures (from SWE)2,0852,085Rural Housing Insurance Fund (Agriculture)1,6891,689Rural Housing Service (Agriculture)1,0851,085Housing for the Elderly (HUD)934934Native American Housing Block Grants (HUD)854854Other Assisted Housing Programs (HUD)496496Housing for Persons with Disabilities (HUD)309309HOUSING TOTAL54,0582,08556,143ENERGY AND UTILITIESLIHEAP Low Income Home Energy Assistance4,4194,419Universal Service Fund Subsidized Low Income Phone Service1,7501,750Weatherization234234ENERGY AND UTILITIES TOTAL6,4036,403EDUCATIONPell Grants41,45841,458Title One Grants to Local Education Authorities14,47214,47221st Century Learning Centers1,1571,157Special Programs for Disadvantaged (TRIO)883883Supplemental Education Opportunity Grants740.00740.00Adult Basic Education Grants607607Migrant Education444444Gear-Up303303LEAP
Formerly State Student Incentive Grant Program (SSIG)11Education for Homeless Children and Youth6565Even Start44Aid for Graduate and Professional Study for Disadvantaged and Minorities4141EDUCATION TOTAL60,17560,175TRAININGTANF Work Activities and Training2,5058323,337Job Corps1,6591,659WIA Youth Opportunity Grants
Formerly Summer Youth Employment946946Senior Community Service Employment70578783WIA Adult Employment and Training
Formerly JTPA IIA Training for Disadvantaged Adults & Youth766766Food Stamp Employment and Training Program393166559Foster Grandparents10410114YouthBuild110110Migrant Training8585Native American Training5252TRAINING TOTAL7,3251,0868,411SERVICESTANF Block Grant Services5,3854,83810,223Title XX Social Services Block Grant1,7871,787Community Service Block Grant678678Social Services for Refugees Asylees and Humanitarian Cases417417Safe and Stable Families553553Title III Aging Americans Act369369Legal Services Block Grant406406Family Planning298298Emergency Food and Shelter Program4848Healthy Marriage and Responsible Fatherhood Grants5050Independent Living (Chafee Foster Care Independence Program)14028168Independent Living Training Vouchers4545Maternal, Infants and Children Home Visitation3636SERVICES TOTAL10,4114,86615,278CHILD CARE AND CHILD DEVELOPMENTHeadstart7,5591,8909,449Childcare and Child Development Block Grant2,9842,1765,160Childcare Entitlement to the States3,1003,100TANF Block Grant Child Care2,3192,6444,962CHILD CARE & CHILD DEVELOPMENT TOTAL15,9626,71022,671COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENTCommunity Development Block Grant and Related Development Funds7,4457,445Economic Development Administration (Dept. of Commerce)423423Appalachian Regional Development6868Empowerment Zones, Enterprise Communities Renewal11COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TOTAL7,9377,937TOTAL in millions (2011)$717,093$210,140$927,234Social Security OASDI (2013)$785,700Medicare (2013)$574,200TOTAL in millions$2,287,133

Well didn't post the way I copied but if you go to the top link and scroll down you'll see this better. Seems to me we're more than half way there.

Social services/programs is not socialism.

yes, social services must be socialism or they would be called capital services.

No need to further show off your low IQ.

We have known this about you for quite some time.

no actual rebuttal? too lazy to learn how to argue while alleging having a work ethic to learn how to fish is important.

I'm afraid I can not lower myself to your intellectual standard.

 

[Ambivalent1]

If we relied on capitalism to fight WWII, we would have lost

Companies deciding whether or not they would produce war goods, critical supplies going to the highest bidder, workers coming and going as they pleased, companies funding their own R&D

It's funny to watch conservative republicans not know how socialistic Total War was. Businesses got told by the government what they were manufacture for the war effort. No choices there.

the manufacturer was a private company paid by the government. that isn't socialist at all. My company makes product for the government and we get paid for it. hmmmm not clear your point asswipe.

The problem is that any program set up, run and funded by the government to benefit society, is "socialism", not the definition being used by American conservatives. Those programs give their citizens a tremendous amount of freedom to plan and organize our lives.

I have lived my life with the full knowledge and understanding that my basic medical care is a given. Whether I am working full time, unemployed or retired, I never in my life have had to worry about having enough money to take care of my medical needs. I don't have to save up for treatments or worry about co-pays, these things are a given. That, in and of itself, is freedom you don't have. I don't have to worry about what happens to my health care coverage if I change jobs, or if I'm unemployed for any length of time. Health care is my right.

Imagine if you had that freedom.

No need to "imagine" anything. I earn my way, pay my premiums, co-pays and coinsurance. Imagine my freedom of not needing a f*cking thing from you.

Until a bad accident or health problem comes your way . Then you’d be “socilaism Save me!”

Sorry son i'm paying my own way just like I always have

 

[rightwinger]

FDR saved them

FDR is the reason they went hungry. Most soup kitchens were run by churches, anyway, moron.

Ask the families in the Dust Bowl

Ask the prisoners staving in Stalin's gulags how they liked socialism. Ask the people of Venezuela how they like socialism.

Fingerboy...

What the hell does that have to do with FDR?

You're using him to support socialism. Why not look at how socialism actually works?

All societies have part socialism and part capitalism

 

[rightwinger]

It's funny to watch conservative republicans not know how socialistic Total War was. Businesses got told by the government what they were manufacture for the war effort. No choices there.

the manufacturer was a private company paid by the government. that isn't socialist at all. My company makes product for the government and we get paid for it. hmmmm not clear your point asswipe.

The problem is that any program set up, run and funded by the government to benefit society, is "socialism", not the definition being used by American conservatives. Those programs give their citizens a tremendous amount of freedom to plan and organize our lives.

I have lived my life with the full knowledge and understanding that my basic medical care is a given. Whether I am working full time, unemployed or retired, I never in my life have had to worry about having enough money to take care of my medical needs. I don't have to save up for treatments or worry about co-pays, these things are a given. That, in and of itself, is freedom you don't have. I don't have to worry about what happens to my health care coverage if I change jobs, or if I'm unemployed for any length of time. Health care is my right.

Imagine if you had that freedom.

No need to "imagine" anything. I earn my way, pay my premiums, co-pays and coinsurance. Imagine my freedom of not needing a f*cking thing from you.

Until a bad accident or health problem comes your way . Then you’d be “socilaism Save me!”

Sorry son i'm paying my own way just like I always have

I do it all by myself

Don’t need no Gubmint

 

[Timmy]

It's funny to watch conservative republicans not know how socialistic Total War was. Businesses got told by the government what they were manufacture for the war effort. No choices there.

the manufacturer was a private company paid by the government. that isn't socialist at all. My company makes product for the government and we get paid for it. hmmmm not clear your point asswipe.

The problem is that any program set up, run and funded by the government to benefit society, is "socialism", not the definition being used by American conservatives. Those programs give their citizens a tremendous amount of freedom to plan and organize our lives.

I have lived my life with the full knowledge and understanding that my basic medical care is a given. Whether I am working full time, unemployed or retired, I never in my life have had to worry about having enough money to take care of my medical needs. I don't have to save up for treatments or worry about co-pays, these things are a given. That, in and of itself, is freedom you don't have. I don't have to worry about what happens to my health care coverage if I change jobs, or if I'm unemployed for any length of time. Health care is my right.

Imagine if you had that freedom.

No need to "imagine" anything. I earn my way, pay my premiums, co-pays and coinsurance. Imagine my freedom of not needing a f*cking thing from you.

Until a bad accident or health problem comes your way . Then you’d be “socilaism Save me!”

Sorry son i'm paying my own way just like I always have

How so? Cause you have insurance. The whole point of insurance is to not pay your own way .

 

[danielpalos]

Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia

ProgramsFederal Spending*State Spending*Total Spending*TOTAL cost in (billions) (2011)$717$210$927Social Security OASDI (2013)$785Medicare(2013)$574TOTAL all programs (billions)$2,286CASH ASSISTANCE (millions)SSI/Old Age Assistance56,4624,67361,135Earned Income Tax Credit (refundable portion)55,65255,652Refundable Child Credit22,69122,691Make Work Pay Tax Credit (Refundable Portion)13,90513,905Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF, old AFDC)6,8836,87713,760Foster Care Title IVE4,4563,9218,377Adoption Assistance Title IVE2,3621,3163,678General Assistance Cash2,6252,625Refugee Assistance168168General Assistance to Indians115115Assets for Independence2424CASH TOTAL162,71819,412182,130MEDICALMedicaid274,964157,600432,564SCHIP State Supplemental Health Insurance Program8,6293,79712,426Medical General Assistance6,9666,966Consolidated Health Center/Community Health Centers1,4811,481Maternal & Child Health6564921,148Medical Assistance to Refugees168168Healthy Start104104MEDICAL TOTAL289,817168,855458,672FOODFood Stamps, SNAP77,6376,98784,624School Lunch Program10,32110,321WIC Women, Infant and Children Food Program6,7876,787School Breakfast3,0763,076Child Care Food Program2,7322,732Nutrition Program for the Elderly, Nutrition Service Incentives820139959Summer Program376376Commodity Supplemental Food Program196196TEFAP Temporary Emergency Food Program247247Needy Families6060Farmers' Market Nutrition Program2323Special Milk Program1313FOOD TOTAL102,2887,127109,415HOUSINGSection 8 Housing (HUD)28,43528,435Public Housing (HUD)8,9738,973Low Income Housing Tax Credit for Developers6,1506,150Home Investment Partnership Program (HUD)2,8532,853Homeless Assistance Grants (HUD)2,2802,280State Housing Expenditures (from SWE)2,0852,085Rural Housing Insurance Fund (Agriculture)1,6891,689Rural Housing Service (Agriculture)1,0851,085Housing for the Elderly (HUD)934934Native American Housing Block Grants (HUD)854854Other Assisted Housing Programs (HUD)496496Housing for Persons with Disabilities (HUD)309309HOUSING TOTAL54,0582,08556,143ENERGY AND UTILITIESLIHEAP Low Income Home Energy Assistance4,4194,419Universal Service Fund Subsidized Low Income Phone Service1,7501,750Weatherization234234ENERGY AND UTILITIES TOTAL6,4036,403EDUCATIONPell Grants41,45841,458Title One Grants to Local Education Authorities14,47214,47221st Century Learning Centers1,1571,157Special Programs for Disadvantaged (TRIO)883883Supplemental Education Opportunity Grants740.00740.00Adult Basic Education Grants607607Migrant Education444444Gear-Up303303LEAP
Formerly State Student Incentive Grant Program (SSIG)11Education for Homeless Children and Youth6565Even Start44Aid for Graduate and Professional Study for Disadvantaged and Minorities4141EDUCATION TOTAL60,17560,175TRAININGTANF Work Activities and Training2,5058323,337Job Corps1,6591,659WIA Youth Opportunity Grants
Formerly Summer Youth Employment946946Senior Community Service Employment70578783WIA Adult Employment and Training
Formerly JTPA IIA Training for Disadvantaged Adults & Youth766766Food Stamp Employment and Training Program393166559Foster Grandparents10410114YouthBuild110110Migrant Training8585Native American Training5252TRAINING TOTAL7,3251,0868,411SERVICESTANF Block Grant Services5,3854,83810,223Title XX Social Services Block Grant1,7871,787Community Service Block Grant678678Social Services for Refugees Asylees and Humanitarian Cases417417Safe and Stable Families553553Title III Aging Americans Act369369Legal Services Block Grant406406Family Planning298298Emergency Food and Shelter Program4848Healthy Marriage and Responsible Fatherhood Grants5050Independent Living (Chafee Foster Care Independence Program)14028168Independent Living Training Vouchers4545Maternal, Infants and Children Home Visitation3636SERVICES TOTAL10,4114,86615,278CHILD CARE AND CHILD DEVELOPMENTHeadstart7,5591,8909,449Childcare and Child Development Block Grant2,9842,1765,160Childcare Entitlement to the States3,1003,100TANF Block Grant Child Care2,3192,6444,962CHILD CARE & CHILD DEVELOPMENT TOTAL15,9626,71022,671COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENTCommunity Development Block Grant and Related Development Funds7,4457,445Economic Development Administration (Dept. of Commerce)423423Appalachian Regional Development6868Empowerment Zones, Enterprise Communities Renewal11COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TOTAL7,9377,937TOTAL in millions (2011)$717,093$210,140$927,234Social Security OASDI (2013)$785,700Medicare (2013)$574,200TOTAL in millions$2,287,133

Well didn't post the way I copied but if you go to the top link and scroll down you'll see this better. Seems to me we're more than half way there.

Social services/programs is not socialism.

yes, social services must be socialism or they would be called capital services.

No need to further show off your low IQ.

We have known this about you for quite some time.

no actual rebuttal? too lazy to learn how to argue while alleging having a work ethic to learn how to fish is important.

I'm afraid I can not lower myself to your intellectual standard.

you have only fallacy not any valid rebuttals.

 

[jc456]

the manufacturer was a private company paid by the government. that isn't socialist at all. My company makes product for the government and we get paid for it. hmmmm not clear your point asswipe.

The problem is that any program set up, run and funded by the government to benefit society, is "socialism", not the definition being used by American conservatives. Those programs give their citizens a tremendous amount of freedom to plan and organize our lives.

I have lived my life with the full knowledge and understanding that my basic medical care is a given. Whether I am working full time, unemployed or retired, I never in my life have had to worry about having enough money to take care of my medical needs. I don't have to save up for treatments or worry about co-pays, these things are a given. That, in and of itself, is freedom you don't have. I don't have to worry about what happens to my health care coverage if I change jobs, or if I'm unemployed for any length of time. Health care is my right.

Imagine if you had that freedom.

No need to "imagine" anything. I earn my way, pay my premiums, co-pays and coinsurance. Imagine my freedom of not needing a f*cking thing from you.

Until a bad accident or health problem comes your way . Then you’d be “socilaism Save me!”

Sorry son i'm paying my own way just like I always have

How so? Cause you have insurance. The whole point of insurance is to not pay your own way .

how so? explain for us.

 

[boedicca]

the manufacturer was a private company paid by the government. that isn't socialist at all. My company makes product for the government and we get paid for it. hmmmm not clear your point asswipe.

The problem is that any program set up, run and funded by the government to benefit society, is "socialism", not the definition being used by American conservatives. Those programs give their citizens a tremendous amount of freedom to plan and organize our lives.

I have lived my life with the full knowledge and understanding that my basic medical care is a given. Whether I am working full time, unemployed or retired, I never in my life have had to worry about having enough money to take care of my medical needs. I don't have to save up for treatments or worry about co-pays, these things are a given. That, in and of itself, is freedom you don't have. I don't have to worry about what happens to my health care coverage if I change jobs, or if I'm unemployed for any length of time. Health care is my right.

Imagine if you had that freedom.

No need to "imagine" anything. I earn my way, pay my premiums, co-pays and coinsurance. Imagine my freedom of not needing a f*cking thing from you.

Until a bad accident or health problem comes your way . Then you’d be “socilaism Save me!”

Sorry son i'm paying my own way just like I always have

How so? Cause you have insurance. The whole point of insurance is to not pay your own way .

Incorrect. The idea of insurance is to pool risk so that one is covered in case of an expensive emergency.

One major problem with our current system is that it combines actual insurance with what are essentially prepaid routine services. Inserting insurance companies and the burdensome regulatory apparatus between patients and health care providers for routine services just makes the services far more expensive. In reality, we end up paying more for them.

 

[rightwinger]

What current programs in the USA constitute socialism?

 

[dblack]

What current programs in the USA constitute socialism?

I depends on which trojan definition of socialism you're playing with.

 

[basquebromance]

"All this “socialism” name calling must be seen for what it is: substance-free fear-mongering by Republicans who want to redistribute as much or more of our resources than Democrats. They just want to redistribute it upwards"

 

[bripat9643]

the manufacturer was a private company paid by the government. that isn't socialist at all. My company makes product for the government and we get paid for it. hmmmm not clear your point asswipe.

The problem is that any program set up, run and funded by the government to benefit society, is "socialism", not the definition being used by American conservatives. Those programs give their citizens a tremendous amount of freedom to plan and organize our lives.

I have lived my life with the full knowledge and understanding that my basic medical care is a given. Whether I am working full time, unemployed or retired, I never in my life have had to worry about having enough money to take care of my medical needs. I don't have to save up for treatments or worry about co-pays, these things are a given. That, in and of itself, is freedom you don't have. I don't have to worry about what happens to my health care coverage if I change jobs, or if I'm unemployed for any length of time. Health care is my right.

Imagine if you had that freedom.

No need to "imagine" anything. I earn my way, pay my premiums, co-pays and coinsurance. Imagine my freedom of not needing a f*cking thing from you.

Until a bad accident or health problem comes your way . Then you’d be “socilaism Save me!”

Sorry son i'm paying my own way just like I always have

How so? Cause you have insurance. The whole point of insurance is to not pay your own way .

You are paying your own way when you buy insurance, moron.

 

[bripat9643]

What current programs in the USA constitute socialism?

All of them.