House Healthcare Tax On Rich Equals Bad Consequences On House Democrats

[MaggieMae]

Those are actually excellent suggestions. Frankly, I'm hoping nothing does get passed this year. I think some breathing room, a timeout, is necessary. [/I]

And...if nothing gets done this year then House Democrats don't have to go home a face their districts for the 2010 election having just passed socialized medicine.

Nice try. But there's been no holdout for debating this with 2010 in mind. Ironically, most "liberals" want a universal health CARE package, not just some puny insurance guarantee. ALL Democrats, and ironically MOST sane Republicans want some sort of reform this year, along with every professional private medical organization in the country.

 

[MaggieMae]

I agree. It's time for everyone, including the government to understand it. However, there are things that can be done:

1. As you stated, preventative care and healthier lifestyles go a long way to keeping most in good health. When it comes to 'check ups' and regular care-make it 'off insurance.' Docs will have lower costs, not having to have so many people to fill out insurance forms and fighting to have the tests they want or don't ordered/approved. They will also have more time to treat and talk with patients, perhaps picking up signs of some developing problem and heading it off.

2. Drop the dental and eye care coverages. Again paperwork, more importantly it's allowed costs to skyrocket beyond what would have normally occurred.

3. Have what used to be called 'hospitalization insurance', allowing this coverage for all, regardiless of pre-existing conditions. One way or another the sickest are going to get treatment, by having insurance there would be less time wasted waiting for approval, again with the possibility that the earlier the treatment, lower the costs.

4. For those that can't afford the major medical, keep Medicaid or have the state pay for/ subsidize the insurance.

5. Allow newly licensed doctors the opportunity to 'pay off' their school debt by working in clinics in inner cities or rural areas where there are shortages of doctors. Not only would this open up medicine as a career for those that can't afford it, some may well begin their practices in areas that are currently under served.

Those are actually excellent suggestions. Frankly, I'm hoping nothing does get passed this year. I think some breathing room, a timeout, is necessary. Here's what I posted in another thread:

So here's what I think will happen.

Congress will develop a health care reform plan dealing strictly with some sort of government guarantee that ALL eligible Americans will be covered by health insurance. The details will be worked out over the next few months, and a final bill will be voted upon.

However, that bill will include a moratorium on the government carrying out such a program for X-number of years (3 to 5 would be reasonable) during which time the private sector would need to get its own act together and REFORM their own methods of delivery so that more people would be eligible for coverage, at reasonable costs.

That's broadly put, but in my opinion, it's as far as any health care reform will go during Obama's first term. But at least ONE DOCUMENT will be out there, waiting in the wings, and another session of back-to-back draft plans muddying up the intent won't be required.

Indeed they are a good start. Many more than myself have better ideas, but you are correct; the Democrats are going to pass an outrageous bill that will eventually be overturned by a new Congress. See bobo's post following. Sort of reminds me of the trillions thrown to automakers, only to have them go into bankruptcy, which we all knew was going to happen.

Face it. Obama admin. sucks.

I said nothing about any policy being overturned, either by the current or a new congress. The idea is to allow the private sector the chance to prove they can do it better, rather than just 30+ years of lip service, and if so, THEN any new health bill will be tabled (or trashed). I realize you must take every opportunity to trash Obama, but why would you object to that?

 

[Annie]

Those are actually excellent suggestions. Frankly, I'm hoping nothing does get passed this year. I think some breathing room, a timeout, is necessary. Here's what I posted in another thread:

So here's what I think will happen.

Congress will develop a health care reform plan dealing strictly with some sort of government guarantee that ALL eligible Americans will be covered by health insurance. The details will be worked out over the next few months, and a final bill will be voted upon.

However, that bill will include a moratorium on the government carrying out such a program for X-number of years (3 to 5 would be reasonable) during which time the private sector would need to get its own act together and REFORM their own methods of delivery so that more people would be eligible for coverage, at reasonable costs.

That's broadly put, but in my opinion, it's as far as any health care reform will go during Obama's first term. But at least ONE DOCUMENT will be out there, waiting in the wings, and another session of back-to-back draft plans muddying up the intent won't be required.

Indeed they are a good start. Many more than myself have better ideas, but you are correct; the Democrats are going to pass an outrageous bill that will eventually be overturned by a new Congress. See bobo's post following. Sort of reminds me of the trillions thrown to automakers, only to have them go into bankruptcy, which we all knew was going to happen.

Face it. Obama admin. sucks.

I said nothing about any policy being overturned, either by the current or a new congress. The idea is to allow the private sector the chance to prove they can do it better, rather than just 30+ years of lip service, and if so, THEN any new health bill will be tabled (or trashed). I realize you must take every opportunity to trash Obama, but why would you object to that?

The only ones that have a 'belief' in private health care under any parameters are the lacking cognitive abilities. Face it, Obama is not about allowing, he's about controlling. Give it up is the mantra! Oh, it feels so good!

 

[MaggieMae]

Are you a socialist??? Is it fair for people who work hard, many small business people, who hire employees, over 80 % of Americans are employed by small business to punish their hard work and success so you can have your needs met????

Maybe, it could be, that you made poor choices, you were lazy and did not take opportunities that were before you that makes you one of these rich envy people.

I don't think you should be rewarded with other people's hard earned money, you did not earn it, and you probably had plenty of opportunities to do it.

Socialistic government- reward failure and punish success.

Margaret Thatcher" Socialism works fine until you run out of other people's money."

Run out- is what we are going to do, there simply is not enough people who make over $250,000 to flip the bill for everyone else.

That is such outdated right-wing ideological dogma I get sick every time I see it "worded" differently. Maybe the theory worked in practice oh, I don't know, a couple hundred years ago (until the first of the "conservative" robber barons emerged), but it sure as hell doesn't work that way in today's socially diverse economy.

It's almost perverse that the reason the entire financial backbone came crashing to the ground was the continued belief that markets work best when corporations are free to pursue their own selfish interests, even if it means stepping all over the lower and middle classes who would surely be devastated by this greed. We all know how that story ends, and only idiots think it's still the answer.

 

[MaggieMae]

Indeed they are a good start. Many more than myself have better ideas, but you are correct; the Democrats are going to pass an outrageous bill that will eventually be overturned by a new Congress. See bobo's post following. Sort of reminds me of the trillions thrown to automakers, only to have them go into bankruptcy, which we all knew was going to happen.

Face it. Obama admin. sucks.

I said nothing about any policy being overturned, either by the current or a new congress. The idea is to allow the private sector the chance to prove they can do it better, rather than just 30+ years of lip service, and if so, THEN any new health bill will be tabled (or trashed). I realize you must take every opportunity to trash Obama, but why would you object to that?

The only ones that have a 'belief' in private health care under any parameters are the lacking cognitive abilities. Face it, Obama is not about allowing, he's about controlling. Give it up is the mantra! Oh, it feels so good!

I used to actually enjoy some of your more articulate opinions. Now it seems you've just joined the bunch of fringers here who think that crap like that actually helps your position. It doesn't.

 

[ba1614]

Those are actually excellent suggestions. Frankly, I'm hoping nothing does get passed this year. I think some breathing room, a timeout, is necessary. [/I]

And...if nothing gets done this year then House Democrats don't have to go home a face their districts for the 2010 election having just passed socialized medicine.

Nice try. But there's been no holdout for debating this with 2010 in mind. Ironically, most "liberals" want a universal health CARE package, not just some puny insurance guarantee. ALL Democrats, and ironically MOST sane Republicans want some sort of reform this year, along with every professional private medical organization in the country.

Right, but just because most people want some kind of reform, doesn't mean that they want just anything. The current proposals haven't been thought through, and they are trying to force it on the people. There needs to be more debate on it.

 

[MaggieMae]

Those are actually excellent suggestions. Frankly, I'm hoping nothing does get passed this year. I think some breathing room, a timeout, is necessary. [/I]

And...if nothing gets done this year then House Democrats don't have to go home a face their districts for the 2010 election having just passed socialized medicine.

Nice try. But there's been no holdout for debating this with 2010 in mind. Ironically, most "liberals" want a universal health CARE package, not just some puny insurance guarantee. ALL Democrats, and ironically MOST sane Republicans want some sort of reform this year, along with every professional private medical organization in the country.

Right, but just because most people want some kind of reform, doesn't mean that they want just anything. The current proposals haven't been thought through, and they are trying to force it on the people. There needs to be more debate on it.[/QUOTE]

It would be nice if you paid attention. See Post #16.

 

[ba1614]

And...if nothing gets done this year then House Democrats don't have to go home a face their districts for the 2010 election having just passed socialized medicine.

Nice try. But there's been no holdout for debating this with 2010 in mind. Ironically, most "liberals" want a universal health CARE package, not just some puny insurance guarantee. ALL Democrats, and ironically MOST sane Republicans want some sort of reform this year, along with every professional private medical organization in the country.

Right, but just because most people want some kind of reform, doesn't mean that they want just anything. The current proposals haven't been thought through, and they are trying to force it on the people. There needs to be more debate on it.

It would be nice if you paid attention. See Post #16.[/QUOTE]

I read #16, which even makes it worse that you continue to defend anything Obama is trying to rush through, just because he apparently can do no wrong.

 

[Annie]

I said nothing about any policy being overturned, either by the current or a new congress. The idea is to allow the private sector the chance to prove they can do it better, rather than just 30+ years of lip service, and if so, THEN any new health bill will be tabled (or trashed). I realize you must take every opportunity to trash Obama, but why would you object to that?

The only ones that have a 'belief' in private health care under any parameters are the lacking cognitive abilities. Face it, Obama is not about allowing, he's about controlling. Give it up is the mantra! Oh, it feels so good!

I used to actually enjoy some of your more articulate opinions. Now it seems you've just joined the bunch of fringers here who think that crap like that actually helps your position. It doesn't.

Could have fooled me with your responses. In any case, I'm not aiming to please you or anyone. Obama is a disaster, be you liberal or conservative. Well meaning you really care about being American, and capitalism.