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Hostile Workplace​


Obama White House pays women less than men, records show


BY: Andrew Stiles
April 11, 2012


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Female employees in the Obama White House make considerably less than their male colleagues, records show.

According to the 2011 annual report on White House staff, female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000).

Calculating the median salary for each gender required some assumptions to be made based on the employee names. When unclear, every effort was taken to determine the appropriate gender.

The Obama campaign on Wednesday lashed out at presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney for his failure to immediately endorse the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act, a controversial law enacted in 2009 that made it easier to file discrimination lawsuits.

President Obama has frequently criticized the gender pay gap, such as the one that exists in White House.

“Paycheck discrimination hurts families who lose out on badly needed income,” he said in a July 2010 statement. “And with so many families depending on women’s wages, it hurts the American economy as a whole.”

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This has been an issue for 40 years.

What did that dimwit want them to do that hasn't already been tried in 40 years ?

The left is really the center.....their heads are right up the middle of their asses.
 

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Mitt romney is a walking creep. He lies and hides his true feelings. If he wins many Americans will die in endless wars for profit
 

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From the article linked in the OP:
According to the 2011 annual report on White House staff, female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000).
Do you know how this median amount was obtained? You take every employee, without regard to their professional role, based purely on gender, and find the center point between the highest and lowest paid employees.

It's total rubbish. You can't compare the salaries of secretaries and executive directors and conclude gender bias.

You can only do a true comparison by looking at the position and educational background of employees, and comparing like to like.

Jesus Christ, is there any limit to the nearly endless stupidity on this board?

This is precisely the problem with the meaningless Bureau of Labor Statistics number that women earn $.77 for every dollar that men earn.
 
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Bet men and women who do the same job get the same pay.

Did you check that?

Hostile Workplace​


Obama White House pays women less than men, records show


BY: Andrew Stiles
April 11, 2012


[excerpt]
Female employees in the Obama White House make considerably less than their male colleagues, records show.

According to the 2011 annual report on White House staff, female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000).

Calculating the median salary for each gender required some assumptions to be made based on the employee names. When unclear, every effort was taken to determine the appropriate gender.

The Obama campaign on Wednesday lashed out at presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney for his failure to immediately endorse the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act, a controversial law enacted in 2009 that made it easier to file discrimination lawsuits.

President Obama has frequently criticized the gender pay gap, such as the one that exists in White House.

“Paycheck discrimination hurts families who lose out on badly needed income,” he said in a July 2010 statement. “And with so many families depending on women’s wages, it hurts the American economy as a whole.”

Read more: Hostile Workplace | Washington Free Beacon
 

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Mitt romney is a walking creep. He lies and hides his true feelings. If he wins many Americans will die in endless wars for profit
At least they would die for a country worth fighting for.

Right now....it's not so clear.
 
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Mitt romney is a walking creep. He lies and hides his true feelings. If he wins many Americans will die in endless wars for profit
Trying to deny, deflect or distance yourself from the truth is typical of your ideology. Why don't you comment on the facts presented to you? Oblamer claims that Romney is against women, when on the other hand Oblamer himself pays women less than their male counterparts within his own administration while touting Lilly Ledbetter. Hmm..???
 
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From the article linked in the OP:
According to the 2011 annual report on White House staff, female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000).
Do you know how this median amount was obtained? You take every employee, without regard to their professional role, based purely on gender, and find the center point between the highest and lowest paid employees.

It's total rubbish. You can't compare the salaries of secretaries and executive directors and conclude gender bias.

You can only do a true comparison by looking at the position and educational background of employees, and comparing like to like.

Jesus Christ, is there any limit to the nearly endless stupidity on this board?

This is precisely the problem with the meaningless Bureau of Labor Statistics number that women earn $.77 for every dollar that men earn.
Are you saying that Maobama would only have women in the less important lower paying jobs, I know for a fact he has several in cabinet levels, so why would an average work?
 

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From the article linked in the OP:
According to the 2011 annual report on White House staff, female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000).
Do you know how this median amount was obtained? You take every employee, without regard to their professional role, based purely on gender, and find the center point between the highest and lowest paid employees.

It's total rubbish. You can't compare the salaries of secretaries and executive directors and conclude gender bias.

You can only do a true comparison by looking at the position and educational background of employees, and comparing like to like.

Jesus Christ, is there any limit to the nearly endless stupidity on this board?

This is precisely the problem with the meaningless Bureau of Labor Statistics number that women earn $.77 for every dollar that men earn.
Are you saying that Maobama would only have women in the less important lower paying jobs, I know for a fact he has several in cabinet levels, so why would an average work?
An average or a median comparison by gender doesn't work in situations like this, because women are overrepresented in low paying jobs, like secretarial work. In other words, there are likely to be far more women at the lowest paying end of the scale, as opposed to men. Not because of preferential treatment of men by Obama, but because of women making personal choices not to pursue degrees and/or taking lower-skilled jobs.

In order to do a valid study to examine female treatment in the obama whitehouse, you would have to eliminate personal choices made by those women which limited them to lower-paying jobs. The only sound way to look at this issue would be to compare men and women who have similar educational backgrounds and job titles. If the women earn less, there is bias.

But, when you compare secretaries to executive directors, you're not just looking at pay, you're looking at life choices (i.e., taking a lower stress hourly wage job so you can focus on family priorities), educational background, work experience, and work requirements.

This comparison is like comparing the salaries of every man who works in a hospital, on average, with every woman. You'd have more male doctors and many more female nurses, and that would skew things. You know the average doctor earns more than the average nurse...a lot more, in fact. The average department head makes a lot more than the average secretary. But, there are a lot of female secretaries in any sort of office setting...not because of discrimination per se, but because of selection bias...many more women choose to become secretaries, nurses, and teachers. Many more men choose to become firefighters, cops, security personnel, and construction workers.

You can't compare female secretaries to male doctors and come up with anything meaningful to talk about gender...the male doctor is worth more in the marketplace because of his degree and skills, not because he's male. The female secretary is worth less, not because of her gender, but because of her skills, education, and types of expertise.

It is what it is. Women with degrees tend to earn as much or more than their male peers. Women without degrees who do secretarial work don't even keep pace with their degreed female peers.

So, it probably went something like this:

Women:
20 secretaries
40 low-level staffers
30 mid-level staffers
20 high-level staffers

Men:
40 low level staffers
30 mid-level staffers
20 high-level staffers

The secretaries are going to pull the women's wages down to be artificially low because secretaries typically make a lot less than staffers.
 
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Oblame-a's advantage is of course the full support of the liberal media. "Records" might show it but unless the media shows some sort of concern it unfortunately don't mean shit and president Hussein and his band of abusers go unrecognized and unpunished. I imagine that most women who consider working for a democrat are aware of the powerful liberal force that is ready and willing to ruin them just like back in the good old days of the "bimbo eruption" so they keep silent.
 
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The Irony: Obama's Female Debate Coach Complained About 'Hostile Workplace' at White House​



Obama's Female Debate Coach Complained About 'Hostile Workplace' at White House | The Weekly Standard
10/17/2012
Daniel Halper





Last night, President Obama presented himself as a crusader for women's issues. He later tweeted:
Mitt Romney still won’t say whether he’d stand up for equal pay, but he did tell us he has “binders full of women.” OFA.BO/LMVWmZ

— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) October 17, 2012

What's interesting about this is President Obama's own history with women in the work place.
When one of President Obama's debate coaches, Anita Dunn, worked at the White House, this is what she reportedly had to say about her experience there:

“This place would be in court for a hostile workplace. ... Because it actually fit all of the classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women.”

In the same piece, former economic adviser Christina Romer is reported as saying, "I felt like a piece of meat."

“‘I felt like a piece of meat,’ Christina Romer, former head of the Council of Economic Advisers, said of one meeting in which Suskind writes she was ‘boxed out’ by Summers,” reported the Post.

Time magazine called Obama's White House a "Boys' Club."

Excerpt) Read more at weeklystandard.com ...
 

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Mitt romney is a walking creep. He lies and hides his true feelings. If he wins many Americans will die in endless wars for profit
Typical Lib; It's so unAmerican for a company to make a profit. I'll bet you also think it's wrong for the owner of the company to make more than the employees he hires.
 

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Mitt romney is a walking creep. He lies and hides his true feelings. If he wins many Americans will die in endless wars for profit
Typical Lib; It's so unAmerican for a company to make a profit. I'll bet you also think it's wrong for the owner of the company to make more than the employees he hires.
oh I see Im dealing with a tea party person. No need to respond. You just need a white face in the Whitehouse
 

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From the article linked in the OP:

Do you know how this median amount was obtained? You take every employee, without regard to their professional role, based purely on gender, and find the center point between the highest and lowest paid employees.

It's total rubbish. You can't compare the salaries of secretaries and executive directors and conclude gender bias.

You can only do a true comparison by looking at the position and educational background of employees, and comparing like to like.

Jesus Christ, is there any limit to the nearly endless stupidity on this board?

This is precisely the problem with the meaningless Bureau of Labor Statistics number that women earn $.77 for every dollar that men earn.
Are you saying that Maobama would only have women in the less important lower paying jobs, I know for a fact he has several in cabinet levels, so why would an average work?
An average or a median comparison by gender doesn't work in situations like this, because women are overrepresented in low paying jobs, like secretarial work. In other words, there are likely to be far more women at the lowest paying end of the scale, as opposed to men. Not because of preferential treatment of men by Obama, but because of women making personal choices not to pursue degrees and/or taking lower-skilled jobs.

In order to do a valid study to examine female treatment in the obama whitehouse, you would have to eliminate personal choices made by those women which limited them to lower-paying jobs. The only sound way to look at this issue would be to compare men and women who have similar educational backgrounds and job titles. If the women earn less, there is bias.

But, when you compare secretaries to executive directors, you're not just looking at pay, you're looking at life choices (i.e., taking a lower stress hourly wage job so you can focus on family priorities), educational background, work experience, and work requirements.

This comparison is like comparing the salaries of every man who works in a hospital, on average, with every woman. You'd have more male doctors and many more female nurses, and that would skew things. You know the average doctor earns more than the average nurse...a lot more, in fact. The average department head makes a lot more than the average secretary. But, there are a lot of female secretaries in any sort of office setting...not because of discrimination per se, but because of selection bias...many more women choose to become secretaries, nurses, and teachers. Many more men choose to become firefighters, cops, security personnel, and construction workers.

You can't compare female secretaries to male doctors and come up with anything meaningful to talk about gender...the male doctor is worth more in the marketplace because of his degree and skills, not because he's male. The female secretary is worth less, not because of her gender, but because of her skills, education, and types of expertise.

It is what it is. Women with degrees tend to earn as much or more than their male peers. Women without degrees who do secretarial work don't even keep pace with their degreed female peers.

So, it probably went something like this:

Women:
20 secretaries
40 low-level staffers
30 mid-level staffers
20 high-level staffers

Men:
40 low level staffers
30 mid-level staffers
20 high-level staffers

The secretaries are going to pull the women's wages down to be artificially low because secretaries typically make a lot less than staffers.
So what your saying is all the details matter, so why is the left so happy with generalizations in most cases. It is a fact that women tend to miss more work for family related matters, they tend to have higher medical cost because of biology, yet it's called discrimination when they are treated differently. Amazing.
 

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