Debate Now Honest Debate About Abortion: Rules Posted

[JoeB131]

Again, you said a "human" can only be called as such if they have articulate speech and are able to stand upright.

By that logic, it would be okay to kill a 6 month old baby.

Perhaps you should drop the "dictionary-only" approach and attempt to dabble into the actual issue. You're like a robot here, one that is advocating for infanticide.

Except that's not what he said at all.

 

[JoeB131]

so getting away from the tired discussion about fetuses being just like people because they have human DNA...

Here's the problem with the anti-choice position. They want largely unenforceable laws.

A woman who doesn't want to be pregnant will find a way to not be pregnant, not matter what the laws are. By the time Roe put the Abortion Laws out of their misery in 1973, most women who wanted to end an unwanted pregnancy went into their OB/GYN's office, got an abortion, and the doctor wrote down something else on the chart.

It's like you guys learn nothing from history. Look at Prohibition. How long did it take clever people, from the guy making bathtub gin to Al Capone, to figure out how to sneak in copious amounts of alcohol to people who wanted to get drunk?

Or for a more modern example, look at the prostitution laws. Sure, Prostitution is illegal in 49 of the 50 states. And you could have no problem finding someone willing to have sex for money on line, or at a strip club, or an adult book store, or a massage parlor. Why? Because for the most part, the police don't consider it worth their time to enforce these laws. Sure, around election time, they'll send out some cops to hassle the streetwalkers. But mostly, they just don't care.

So when you guys get your abortion laws, police won't put a priority on enforcing them, prosecutors won't put a priority on bringing cases, and juries won't convict. Heck, if I ever found myself on a jury for an abortion case, I wouldn't care if you had the provider tossing globby the fetus across the room and yelling "THREE POINTS" when it hit the medical waste container, I'm still voting to acquit. So will a lot of other people.

 

[martybegan]

Can they match a Don't say Gay law?

Or are they just more defending white guys who blame the Holocaust on them?

The law doesn't say that. Can you ever take a position without lying?

Most of the Holocaust denial these days come from your side.

 

[otto105]

The law doesn't say that. Can you ever take a position without lying?

Most of the Holocaust denial these days come from your side.

Lying?

Florida has banned books, removed references of climate change from government reports on top of the don’t say gay law.

Denial or deflection of the Holocaust has always been a far right endeavor. Right nick?

 

[martybegan]

Lying?

Florida has banned books, removed references of climate change from government reports on top of the don’t say gay law.

Denial or deflection of the Holocaust has always been a far right endeavor. Right nick?

That's not "Don't say gay"

So you can't buy these books in Florida?

Yet we ignore those fucks, you idiots embrace the Palestine/Hamas loving freaks.

 

[otto105]

That's not "Don't say gay"

So you can't buy these books in Florida?

Yet we ignore those fucks, you idiots embrace the Palestine/Hamas loving freaks.

Hilarious marty

 

[Frankenstein]

A. fetus does not mean "offspring".

B. the "fetal stage" doesn't begin until 9 weeks.

C. as soon as you figure out how to make the male carry a fetus you might have a point, until then, this is over.

Why, that is just the science, or biology of it, why is the woman then the only one to make a decision the man should have equal rights

 

[otto105]

Why, that is just the science, or biology of it, why is the woman then the only one to make a decision the man should have equal rights

It’s her body.

 

[Frankenstein]

It’s her body.

So? It is still his child also! Science!!!

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I posted the evidence that rebuts Mr. Friscus's nonsense. Mods, please close this thread.

This thread is about abortion, and you’re obsessed with holocaust denial.

Why don’t you go make a thread about holocaust denial, and if you’d like to take issue with any aspect of abortion, by all means.. that’s what the thread is for

 

[Samofvt]

Well, 10 days of banter. Were there any rational arguments that might have changed anyone's mind?

I say let the abortionists have at it. Only emotional and selfish girls argue in favor of unlimited abortion. Also, weak men who want to suck up to such women and who don't care about their offspring.

God will sort them out. Government should not be involved.

 

[MarathonMike]

After all the arm waving and hysterics over abortion, the entire debate boils down to "WHAT'S THE LIMIT"? Trump supports a 15 week limit on surgical abortions. Total abortion bans i.e. "every pregnant woman will be forced to have their baby" will never become law. And 3rd trimester up to "first drawn breath" abortions are clearly murder. Stop with the arm waving and pick your limit on surgical abortion. Most abortions today are done via drugs before week 9.

 

[JoeB131]

After all the arm waving and hysterics over abortion, the entire debate boils down to "WHAT'S THE LIMIT"? Trump supports a 15 week limit on surgical abortions. Total abortion bans i.e. "every pregnant woman will be forced to have their baby" will never become law. And 3rd trimester up to "first drawn breath" abortions are clearly murder. Stop with the arm waving and pick your limit on surgical abortion. Most abortions today are done via drugs before week 9.

Yes, they are.

But some states have set a limit of 6 weeks.
And some people are trying to ban abortion drugs. The only reason why SCOTUS didn't go along with them was because it was an election year, they claimed they didn't have jurisdiction.

You guys can't be trusted on this issue, period. Left to your own devices, we get THIS.

 

[Zincwarrior]

So you would murder a 9 month fetus.

There could be reasons for that. Massive abnormalities such that it is in pain or would only live for a short period of time in pain, emergency medical issues with the mother.

 

[otto105]

Texas has exceptions and performs abortions. You're just lying. Stop being a serial liar.

Hilarious

Even a woman bleeding out in hospital parking lot would be denied those so-called exceptions.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Hilarious

Even a woman bleeding out in hospital parking lot would be denied those so-called exceptions.

That...actually happened.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Let God sort it out, and the hypocrites can get back on their knees.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

There could be reasons for that. Massive abnormalities such that it is in pain or would only live for a short period of time in pain, emergency medical issues with the mother.

I’m obviously talking about the 99%, not the 1%, and I think you probably know that.

If a woman declared emotional damage if she had this child at 9 months… and she found a progressive insane doctor to value her mental health over the baby.. would you be okay with that?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Let God sort it out, and the hypocrites can get back on their knees.

Sounds like Joseph Stalin…

 

[otto105]

I’m obviously talking about the 99%, not the 1%, and I think you probably know that.

If a woman declared emotional damage if she had this child at 9 months… and she found a progressive insane doctor to value her mental health over the baby.. would you be okay with that?

Why don't you breakdown the amount and causes of abortions after the 9th month before creating a strawman agreement.