Honda and GM SCRAP $5 billion plan to develop more affordable electric vehicles – after Ford boss warned eco cars had become a ‘political football’

[martybegan]

What law is that?

The ICE vehicle bans in NY, CA and MA?

The CAFE changes that make it impossible to meet fleet milage standards without selling large numbers of EVs?

Stop trying to be slick.

 

[Crick]

The ICE vehicle bans in NY, CA and MA?

The CAFE changes that make it impossible to meet fleet milage standards without selling large numbers of EVs?

Stop trying to be slick.

The laws in NY, Ca and Ma do not ban the production and purchase of ICE cars in other states nor driving them in NY, Ca or Ma, do they.

The CAFE changes do not make it impossible to produce, sell and purchase an ICE vehicle. The simply address fleet average gas mileage.

 

[badger2]

It would help if there was actual intelligence behind EV design. Universalized pre-charged modular batteries (across brands) that go into vending machines. In this example, Musk deliberately sidesteps the obvious intelligence to perpetuate his fascist ploy to not change anything in the die shop, while ironically enough, BP plays the part of the vending machine station:

Tesla Ultra-Fast Charger / BP

Tesla gets $100 million US ultra-fast charger order from BP EV charging unit

BP's electric vehicle charger unit is ordering $100 million worth of Tesla ultra-fast chargers for rollout in the United States, the first deployment of Tesla's chargers on an independent network, the companies said on Thursday. The purchase is part of BP Pulse's plans to invest up to $1...

finance.yahoo.com

 

[Crick]

It would help if there was actual intelligence behind EV design. Universalized pre-charged modular batteries (across brands) that go into vending machines. In this example, Musk deliberately sidesteps the obvious intelligence to perpetuate his fascist ploy to not change anything in the die shop, while ironically enough, BP plays the part of the vending machine station:

Tesla Ultra-Fast Charger / BP

Tesla gets $100 million US ultra-fast charger order from BP EV charging unit

BP's electric vehicle charger unit is ordering $100 million worth of Tesla ultra-fast chargers for rollout in the United States, the first deployment of Tesla's chargers on an independent network, the companies said on Thursday. The purchase is part of BP Pulse's plans to invest up to $1...

finance.yahoo.com

Here is an article with some interesting information on battery swapping technology IN USE TODAY.

How 5-minute battery swaps could get more EVs on the road

Battery-swap companies claim the technology could match the speed of a gas station, but experts say charging might stick around for most of us.

www.technologyreview.com

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I personally think hydrogen will replace all of them, but in any case, fossil fuels are on their way out. Your math doesn't mean shit (and is shit besides).

You keep forgetting the greatest sources of hydrogen are hydrocarbons, which the last time I checked were fossil fuels.

 

[Crick]

You keep forgetting the greatest sources of hydrogen are hydrocarbons, which the last time I checked were fossil fuels.

The greatest source of hydrogen is the ocean.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The greatest source of hydrogen is the ocean.

Where are you getting the electricity?

 

[Crick]

Where are you getting the electricity?

From non-emitting sources.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

From non-emitting sources.

Such as? This is the point where you will fail to supply an economically and environmentally favorable answer.

 

[Crick]

Such as? This is the point where you will fail to supply an economically and environmentally favorable answer.

Wind, solar, hydroelectric, nuclear, fusion (soon enough). And what you may think of the economic and environmental favorability of those has no bearing on the question of what non-emitting technologies I was thinking about.

 

[ding]

non-emitting technologies

Like coal and natural gas powered EV's?

 

[ding]

The greatest source of hydrogen is the ocean.

Currently, most hydrogen is produced from fossil fuels, specifically natural gas.

Hydrogen Resources

Hydrogen can be produced from diverse, domestic resources including natural gas and other fossil fuels, solar, wind, biomass, and electricity.

www.energy.gov

 

[ding]

Wind, solar, hydroelectric, nuclear, fusion (soon enough). And what you may think of the economic and environmental favorability of those has no bearing on the question of what non-emitting technologies I was thinking about.

Hydrogen production is the family of industrial methods for generating hydrogen gas. There are four main sources for the commercial production of hydrogen: natural gas, oil, coal, and electrolysis of water; which account for 48%, 30%, 18% and 4% of the world's hydrogen production respectively.

Water electrolysis is using electricity to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. As of 2020, less than 0.1% of hydrogen production comes from water electrolysis. Electrolysis of water is 70–80% efficient (a 20–30% conversion loss).

Do you understand what a 20% to 30% conversion loss means?

 

[ding]

With current tech, electrolysis generally produces hydrogen at about 75 per cent efficiency. So to create a kilo of pure hydrogen fuel, which holds about 39.4kWh of energy, it takes 52.5kWh.

 

[badger2]

Here is an article with some interesting information on battery swapping technology IN USE TODAY.

How 5-minute battery swaps could get more EVs on the road

Battery-swap companies claim the technology could match the speed of a gas station, but experts say charging might stick around for most of us.

www.technologyreview.com

We weren't monkeying around when we pointed to Musk's inability to change the dies. In your posted article, Jeremy Michalek does mention "standardization," then right away gets stupid with this remark: ' "Putting the same size modules into different vehicles is very limiting," he says.'

 

[martybegan]

The laws in NY, Ca and Ma do not ban the production and purchase of ICE cars in other states nor driving them in NY, Ca or Ma, do they.

The CAFE changes do not make it impossible to produce, sell and purchase an ICE vehicle. The simply address fleet average gas mileage.

That's not the point and you know it.

Set them high enough and the sure as hell do.

EV's set an average of "0" so they create an incentive to sell EV's over ICE vehicles.

Stop trying to be slick.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Wind, solar, hydroelectric, nuclear, fusion (soon enough). And what you may think of the economic and environmental favorability of those has no bearing on the question of what non-emitting technologies I was thinking about.

What will you use to replace those energy sources that now provide energy to the electric grid now?

Fusion? You have no concept of current sources? All of the current sources you cite are insufficient already. How will you build more?

 

[Weatherman2020]

What law is that?

E.P.A. Lays Out Rules to Turbocharge Sales of Electric Cars and Trucks

The Biden administration is proposing rules to ensure that two-thirds of new cars and a quarter of new heavy trucks sold in the United States by 2032 are all-electric.

www.nytimes.com

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[Weatherman2020]

Wind, solar, hydroelectric, nuclear, fusion (soon enough). And what you may think of the economic and environmental favorability of those has no bearing on the question of what non-emitting technologies I was thinking about.

Democrats of California have closed all of its nuke plants and tore down a number of dams. And bans wind turbines from the coast so as to not block the view of the rich elite in their mansions

 

[Mushroom]

What law is that?

The People's Republic of California has such a law.

As of this time, it is a law in California that will prohibit all new ICE cars and trucks in 12 years, and the only vehicles allowed to be sold in the state will be electric.

But that is already seeing push-back in Congress, which is already trying to pass a law to prohibit states from passing such mandates and removing the choice of their residents. And even some in California are starting to resist that, as for many people electric vehicles are just not practical.