Homophobia: Fun Fact

[Cecilie1200]

Homophobia is dying out, give it 30 years and they will go the way of the racists, shamed into the closet

Wanna bet?

There will always be sexual deviants, anomalies, aberrations, whatever you want to call them (and if you want to attach some sort of value and judgement to those words, that's YOUR problem, not mine). There always have been. And even a cursory glance at history will show you that they go through stages, or cycles, of suppression and acceptance in every society that has ever existed. Generally, and I'm very sorry if this upsets anyone, they do best when they accept that they are not the mainstream, never will be, and that that's actually okay.

Frankly, if you have so much trouble with the concept of being different that you have to try to define it away and force people to pretend you're something you're not in order to feel good about yourself, you need help.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No surrender from me, just fact based opinions. Want to make this a constitution debate, lets. We will start with Article one, ya know the whole thing about not making any laws establishing religon. So i say that since Christianity can not play a role, Same Sex marriage has the full legal right to exist. Check out the last eleven states plus D.C. All legal, all within the parameters of the law. It is only a matter of a few years until those legal guidlines stretch to all fifty and the anti gay marriage folks are silenced once and for all. Ah what a great day that will be in this nation and the good news is, youll be here to see it all happen!

Indeed, ideally this should be the manner the issue is addressed, where all 50 states obey the Constitution and allow same-sex couples to marry.

This shouldn’t be a matter for the courts, as each state should follow the law.

Unfortunately, in the real world, there are ignorant, hateful, frightened people who see fit to oppose the Constitution and work to deny their fellow citizens their civil liberties as a consequence of that ignorance, hate, and fear.

Same-sex couples have no other recourse than to seek remedy in the Federal courts, and compel the states to obey the Constitution.

Ideally, the federal government would obey the Constitution and leave marriage to the states, where it belongs.

And, equally ideally, the courts would leave the lawmaking to the legislatures and, where appropriate, the voters.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Indeed, ideally this should be the manner the issue is addressed, where all 50 states obey the Constitution and allow same-sex couples to marry.

This shouldn’t be a matter for the courts, as each state should follow the law.

Unfortunately, in the real world, there are ignorant, hateful, frightened people who see fit to oppose the Constitution and work to deny their fellow citizens their civil liberties as a consequence of that ignorance, hate, and fear.

Same-sex couples have no other recourse than to seek remedy in the Federal courts, and compel the states to obey the Constitution.

Ideally, the federal government would obey the Constitution and leave marriage to the states, where it belongs.

And, equally ideally, the courts would leave the lawmaking to the legislatures and, where appropriate, the voters.

One can dream.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Ideally, the federal government would obey the Constitution and leave marriage to the states, where it belongs.

And, equally ideally, the courts would leave the lawmaking to the legislatures and, where appropriate, the voters.

One can dream.

One suspects, though, that more luck would be had dreaming about winning the lottery.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your opinion is immaterial, Cecilie1200.

The only points about your opinion is that it is wrong.

No, you're demanding a radical redefinition of everything in society to fit your particular idiosyncratic view of "equal".

The shame of it is that so many people in this country are functionally illiterate that while they know what you're selling is gift-wrapped horseshit, they don't have the education to articulate WHY.

Wrong again, as usual.

The Constitution requires equal protection of (access to) the law, it has nothing to do with what gays and lesbians ‘want’ or ‘demand.’ The Constitution requires there be a consistent application of the law and civil liberties, and compels the state to justify any deviation from that mandate – citizens are not required to justify their exercising of a civil right.

And same-sex couples are opposed to a ‘radical redefinition’ of any aspect of society, including marriage. They simply seek access to their state’s marriage law, unchanged, unaltered, just as made available to opposite-sex couples, just as mandated by the 14th Amendment.

Nice try, asshole, but you and I both know that the heart of the argument isn't "Does the Constitution require equal protection", but "What does 'equal protection' mean", so trying on this disingenuous crap of "The Constitution says THIS, and OBVIOUSLY it means what we want it to mean" is a waste of time.

How many times do you have to have it pointed out to you that this diversionary bullshit isn't going to fly with me before you strap on a pair and actually DEBATE? Go ahead and try to force your parameters on me a million times; I'll just reject them and point out what a poltroon you are for trying it a million and one times.

What is this, your 56th surrender or so, just on THIS particular topic?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Cecilie1200 strutted out on the playground, called people out, and got thumped badly.

 

[Sunni Man]

Your opinion is immaterial, Cecilie1200.

The only points about your opinion is that it is wrong.

^^^^^ Says the great and mighty JakeStarky..........

 

[JakeStarkey]

Says the facts. Opinions based on ultra right Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are contrary.

Your opinion is immaterial, Cecilie1200.

The only points about your opinion is that it is wrong.

^^^^^ Says the great and mighty JakeStarky..........

 

[Sunni Man]

Says the facts. Opinions based on ultra right Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are contrary.

Contrary to what??

 

[AmyNation]

Homophobia is dying out, give it 30 years and they will go the way of the racists, shamed into the closet

Wanna bet?

Sure. Let's meet back in 30 years and see if homophobia has gone the way of racism.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Contemporary Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.

Says the facts. Opinions based on ultra right Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are contrary.

Contrary to what??

 

[Sunni Man]

Contemporary Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.

Says the facts. Opinions based on ultra right Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are contrary.

Contrary to what??

Thankfully, there is no such thing as contemporary Islam.....just Islam........

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ah, sure there is. I know many young Sunni American men and women under 35, and they think the way of their elders is the way of the past. At least 4 out of 5 think the anti-homosexuality is absolutely stupid. Many are re-thinking their positions on feminism. You will be glad to know most are anti-Israel, but I bet their children will be far less so.

You are the past, SM.

 

[Sunni Man]

Ah, sure there is. I know many young Sunni American men and women under 35, and they think the way of their elders is the way of the past. At least 4 out of 5 think the anti-homosexuality is absolutely stupid. Many are re-thinking their positions on feminism. You will be glad to know most are anti-Israel, but I bet their children will be far less so.

No doubt you have evidence or a Link to back up your idiotic claims??

 

[JakeStarkey]

The slice of Islamic youth in my community, probably 25 to 30, think as I have described.

The are probably not much different that other Islamic youth throughout the country who are exposed to modern communications, technology, and their peers.

You and your beliefs are on the down slope of American Islam, I would imagine.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Homophobia: Fun Fact

I'm not "afraid" of queers... I just don't like 'em.

 

[Sunni Man]

You are full of pure BS

I work directly with the muslim youth in my community, and they are not as you describe them to be like on the issues of homos and feminism.

The difference Jake, is that Judaism and Christianity have become buffet religions.

Pick out the parts that you agree with; and disgard the rest as as you please.

Whereas, Islam is an all or nothing religion.

You either accept it 100% or leave the religion.

You cannot disregard or change even one single word of the Quran or the sunnah (words and actions) of the Prophet.

 

[mjollnir]

You are full of pure BS

I work directly with the muslim youth in my community, and they are not as you describe them to be like on the issues of homos and feminism.

The difference Jake, is that Judaism and Christianity have become buffet religions.

Pick out the parts that you agree with; and disgard the rest as as you please.

Whereas, Islam is an all or nothing religion.

You either accept it 100% or leave the religion.

You cannot disregard or change even one single word of the Quran or the sunnah (words and actions) of the Prophet.

Yawn. More pathetic attempts to validate your own, personal anecdotes, which are completely irrelevant to any other posters.

And yes, one can disregard anything in the Koran. Muslims do this every day, you're just too ******* stupid to see it. No one accepts '100% of the Koran'.

 

[Sunni Man]

Please go visit your local mosque and inquire as to what parts of the Quran are considered to be invalid and then get back with me...........

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are entitled to your opinion. Peace be upon your head.

You are full of pure BS I work directly with the muslim youth in my community, and they are not as you describe them to be like on the issues of homos and feminism. The difference Jake, is that Judaism and Christianity have become buffet religions. Pick out the parts that you agree with; and disgard the rest as as you please. Whereas, Islam is an all or nothing religion. You either accept it 100% or leave the religion. You cannot disregard or change even one single word of the Quran or the sunnah (words and actions) of the Prophet.