Homegrown Fascists, Fearful Of Faith

[whitehall]

"Separation of Church and State" has no basis in the Constitution. As a matter of fact it is a violation of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution that guarantees the protection of religious beliefs. The current version of "Church/State" is a result of the majority opinion of a former KKK member appointed to the Supreme court by FDR. As a KKK member, Justice Black might have grown up with an abiding hatred of Papists as well as Blacks . Around the late 40's, Catholic based education challenged the liberal FDR federal education policies and Justice Black and the liberal Supreme Court invented the concept of separation that did not exist in the Constitution in order to try to stop Papist learning institutions from challenging federal education.

 

[busybee01]

7. "The Supreme Court is “deciding a very narrow question, which is whether or not [a football coach] can be fired from their job if [he] engages in a private prayer on one knee at the 50-yard line,” Jeremy Dys, an attorney for First Liberty, told The Daily Signal.

“Kennedy did not surrender his First Amendment rights at the schoolhouse gate,” Sarah Parshall Perry, a legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation, said. “The Supreme Court has continuously reaffirmed that principle since its 1969 decision, Tinker v. Des Moines.”

From Football Field to Supreme Court: Meet the Coach Who's Fighting for Freedom to Pray

“The only thing I'm asking the Supreme Court is that I get to be a coach, and I get to thank God afterwards,” Joe Kennedy says.

www.dailysignal.com

8. Nor are the Fascists.....er, Democrats,.....shy about breaking the law of the land, the Constitution:

Under Democrat/Liberal LBJ, the law was passed that deprived pastors 2of their right of free speech.
What possible compelling government interest could this represent????

“The 1954 federal Johnson Amendment prohibits a pastor from talking about candidates from the pulpit in light of Scripture. Thus, based on what a pastor says about an election from the pulpit, the tax code allows the government to tax a church. Consider that in light of the Internal Revenue Service's increasingly vague regulations, and you have a recipe for the censorship of religion. The IRS, through those vague regulations, reserves for itself tremendous discretion and power to decide which churches to punish for violations of the Johnson Amendment and which not to punish.”
Why don't churches pay taxes?


Any reading of the first amendment will prove this to be unconstitutional.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.



Another reason the Fascists hate Trump:

"My Administration is also defending religious liberty, and that includes the Constitutional right to pray in public schools. In America, we do not punish prayer. We do not tear down crosses. We do not ban symbols of faith. We do not muzzle preachers and pastors. In America, we celebrate faith. We cherish religion. We lift our voices in prayer, and we raise our sights to the Glory of God!"
Trump, SOTU 2020

It is not private when you are doing it on the 50 yard line. Trump doesn't believe in God. It is a tool for the con man that Trump is. Was Trump following God's word when he cheated on his wife?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wow, you are all over the place on this one. That coach has, and had, every right in the world to pray at midfield. . Before the game, after the game, during the game. What he cannot do, as a state employee on state property, is engage in a full blown "circus", as that midfield prayer morphed into. Matter of fact, the coach was told to stop those meetings at midfield, and he did. After the team cleared the field and he met with them in the locker room he came back to midfield, alone, and prayed. It just didn't feel the same to him. Yet his lawyers today will argue in court that it is the same.

Now, what you want the SCOTUS to do here is overturn lower court rulings. They may very well do that, the fact that they are hearing the case points to that decision. They will overturn those lower court rulings using a process called judicial review. But you have attached a white paper by Lino Graglia, who was one of the most conservative legal academics in the nation. He believed that judicial review, which has been around since Marbury v. Madison, should be eliminated. Your two links are contradicting one another.

I have to ask, did Graglia not read any of the Federalist papers, or did he just skip 51? Giving Congress the last word on constitutional interpretation is in direct conflict with the principal of separation of powers. Here is the deal, you people on the right bitch and moan about the judiciary when it rules against your beliefs. But then you applaud them, hold them up as heroes, and work diligently to "seed" the courts with judges willing to support your agenda. This case is a bellwether case, reversing the lower court rulings will be judicial activism on a scale not seen since Heller. Graglia would be appalled.

You're so smart!! By kneeling, that coach established Christianity as the American religion. /sarcasm

We should seek the removal of every SCOTUS judge siding against his free expression

 

[CrusaderFrank]

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21-418/220003/20220401114832974_220311a%20Amicus%20Brief%20for%20e-filing.pdf

No answer

 

[busybee01]

"Separation of Church and State" has no basis in the Constitution. As a matter of fact it is a violation of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution that guarantees the protection of religious beliefs. The current version of "Church/State" is a result of the majority opinion of a former KKK member appointed to the Supreme court by FDR. As a KKK member, Justice Black might have grown up with an abiding hatred of Papists as well as Blacks . Around the late 40's, Catholic based education challenged the liberal FDR federal education policies and Justice Black and the liberal Supreme Court invented the concept of separation that did not exist in the Constitution in order to try to stop Papist learning institutions from challenging federal education.

That is so much bullshit. The founding fathers never approved of a state religion. They wanted a secular state. Thomas Jefferson was one of the major authors of the Constitution and stated that there was a wall of separation between church and state.

 

[busybee01]

6. The courts have been infested by Progressives who will not abide by the values and heritage of this once great nation.


“ The Court has become the “ultimate law-giver on most of the basic issues of domestic social policy,” and these are the “issues that determine the basic values, nature, and quality of a society.” Racial and gender equality are denied by decisions favoring affirmative action and group identity while an egregiously broad scope for personal autonomy undercuts legitimate community desires for a degree of order and morality.

The undercutting takes several forms: the creation of unjustified restraints on the criminal justice system that make policing, prosecution, and punishment difficult, often inordinately delayed, and sometimes impossible; disapproval of laws reinforcing morality, particularly in sexual matters, to the detriment of marriage, families, and the traditional moral order; virulent antagonism to public displays of religion; and, in a stunning inversion of the First Amendment’s guarantee of freedom of speech, protection of the worst forms of pornography and vulgarity but approval of even prior restraints on political speech, historically the heart of the Amendment. Graglia’s comprehensive indictment is entirely justified.
The contest is one between democracy and oligarchy, and for half a century the oligarchs have been winning.”
Bork, “A Country I Do Not Recognize”

Those restraints were set by the founding fathers and thank God for that. This is not a police state. Whose morality are we talking about? Yours? I am the one who believes in freedom while you support freedom for what you believe in but for no one else. You want to dictate your morality. You are the oligarchs.

 

[busybee01]

7. "The Supreme Court is “deciding a very narrow question, which is whether or not [a football coach] can be fired from their job if [he] engages in a private prayer on one knee at the 50-yard line,” Jeremy Dys, an attorney for First Liberty, told The Daily Signal.

“Kennedy did not surrender his First Amendment rights at the schoolhouse gate,” Sarah Parshall Perry, a legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation, said. “The Supreme Court has continuously reaffirmed that principle since its 1969 decision, Tinker v. Des Moines.”

From Football Field to Supreme Court: Meet the Coach Who's Fighting for Freedom to Pray

“The only thing I'm asking the Supreme Court is that I get to be a coach, and I get to thank God afterwards,” Joe Kennedy says.

www.dailysignal.com

8. Nor are the Fascists.....er, Democrats,.....shy about breaking the law of the land, the Constitution:

Under Democrat/Liberal LBJ, the law was passed that deprived pastors 2of their right of free speech.
What possible compelling government interest could this represent????

“The 1954 federal Johnson Amendment prohibits a pastor from talking about candidates from the pulpit in light of Scripture. Thus, based on what a pastor says about an election from the pulpit, the tax code allows the government to tax a church. Consider that in light of the Internal Revenue Service's increasingly vague regulations, and you have a recipe for the censorship of religion. The IRS, through those vague regulations, reserves for itself tremendous discretion and power to decide which churches to punish for violations of the Johnson Amendment and which not to punish.”
Why don't churches pay taxes?


Any reading of the first amendment will prove this to be unconstitutional.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.



Another reason the Fascists hate Trump:

"My Administration is also defending religious liberty, and that includes the Constitutional right to pray in public schools. In America, we do not punish prayer. We do not tear down crosses. We do not ban symbols of faith. We do not muzzle preachers and pastors. In America, we celebrate faith. We cherish religion. We lift our voices in prayer, and we raise our sights to the Glory of God!"
Trump, SOTU 2020

Any proper reading of the Constitution would be that this is constitutional. His rights were not violated. He was not told that he could not pray, he could not do it on the 50 yard line. You cannot yell fire in a crowded theater. These rights are not absolute. There is a time and place limitation on any right.

Trump is a fascist. There is no Constitutional right to pray in public schools. You can pray on your own, no one is prohibiting that. Once again, time and place for every right. Did Trump care about God when he cheated on his wife? When he cheated businesses by refusing to pay them for services they performed?

 

[busybee01]

Anyone who decides against the coach should be impeached, because they're not deciding based on the Constitution.

They should rule against the coach if they are deciding the case on the Constitution. However these right wing judges don't care about the Constitution.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Former Bremerton High School assistant coach Joe Kennedy was fired because he would not abandon his post-game prayer. Kennedy then launched a six-year fight that reached the nation’s highest court on Monday.

“I fought and defended the Constitution, and the thought of leaving the field of battle where the guys just played and having to go and hide my faith because it was uncomfortable to somebody — that’s just not America,” the Marine veteran said, according to NPR.

The New York Times summarized the arguments by writing that “Members of the court’s conservative majority indicated that the coach, Joseph A. Kennedy, had a constitutional right to kneel and pray at the 50-yard line after games.”


The outcome could strengthen the acceptability of some religious practices in the public school setting.”

Prayer Coming Back to Public Schools? SCOTUS Hears Case That Would Do Just That

A major Supreme Court case has just finished being heard, and the decision could bring prayer back into U.S. schools.

www.westernjournal.com

 

[PoliticalChic]

It is shocking how deep the lies go.


Not an hour ago I listened to an interview with one of my favs....I've read several of his books....Alan Dershowitz.....who said the following in discussing the Coach Kennedy prayer case:

"He'll probably win, but he shouldn't: the Constitution forbids prayer in school."


As confident as I am, I hesitate to call Dershowitz a liar......but here it is: he is a liar- there is no such restriction in the Constitution.


I challenge any Democrat/Liberal/Progressive to dispute what I just said.

 

[Winston]

You're so smart!! By kneeling, that coach established Christianity as the American religion. /sarcasm

We should seek the removal of every SCOTUS judge siding against his free expression

This is not about the establishment clause. And yes, if you listened to oral arguments, and it was stomach turning, you can see precisely what the right wing judges are attempting to do here. They want to pretend that this was that coaches attempt at having a private prayer, oh others could join in if the like. I mean such horseshit. One of the judges, probably Kavanaugh asked, "If the coach would have made the sign of the cross, visible on the sideline, would that be a firing offense. I couldn't believe the response, and it was a no, but it should have been expanded. No, but if he made a dozen television appearances, asked a half dozen TV film crews to be there to film him, had a couple of state representatives there touching his shoulder, and told 14 year old young men that they could make that sign too before the game, then hell yeah, can his damn ass.u cowasStare decisis, previous rulings, make this case a no-brainer. But I suspect they are going to rule in the coach's favor in the most stunning act of judicial creationism this nation has ever seen. While you claim that every judge who rules against this coach should be removed, the opposite is the case. In listening to the oral arguments it was clear, these judges are not there to make a ruling on constitutionality or legal precedence. They already know the conclusion they want to get to, they are just looking for a way to get there. That is the very definition of judicial creationism.

And that is just it. When this ruling comes down, in the coaches favor, I be damned if a single Republican can ever complain about judicial activism again. The founders, and hell yeah, I said it, the founders would be absolutely appalled. The Constitution, hell, might as well tear it up and throw it the hell away. And the bad part, the school district should have fired his ass, not because he was praying at the 50 yard line, but because he made it a damn circus. It wasn't about God, it was about HIM. Is it not easy to see. He was little more than an assistant coach and yet he wanted to make himself the center of attention. Damn skippy, YOUR FIRED.

 

[Winston]

It is shocking how deep the lies go.


Not an hour ago I listened to an interview with one of my favs....I've read several of his books....Alan Dershowitz.....who said the following in discussing the Coach Kennedy prayer case:

"He'll probably win, but he shouldn't: the Constitution forbids prayer in school."


As confident as I am, I hesitate to call Dershowitz a liar......but here it is: he is a liar- there is no such restriction in the Constitution.


I challenge any Democrat/Liberal/Progressive to dispute what I just said.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What part of that do you not understand? This coach had every right to have a private prayer at the 50 yard line, after the game was over, when the players were on their way home, when he was alone. And as a matter of fact, he had that opportunity and he just didn't feel that was enough.

But, his ass is paid by the state. He is a state employee, and he can't have a prayer at midfield immediately after the game, inviting his students, and oh yeah--broadcasting through social media, making appearances on multiple new outlets, and proclaiming to anyone and everyone that this was his way of "making these men better people".

One of my favorite movies is The Incredible Mister Limpet, be careful what you wish for. The SCOTUS rule in the coaches favor I may very well seek a position as an assistant coach at the local high school. I will conduct a Wiccan ceremony at midfield, probably include me being naked and maybe sacrificing a chicken in the process, and "invite" my players to participate. Don't participate, I will bench your ass. I mean these right wing Trump appointees are so damn stupid that they can't see that.

You are an idiot. You have no clue as to what the Constitution says or how the founding fathers thought. In no small way, the founding fathers were revolting against the first Great Awakening, something I am sure you have never heard of. But , I am here to tell you, the founding fathers, to the person, would be absolutely appalled at this case, and would can this self-absorbed dipshit without a second thought.

 

[daveman]

The real question is whether Christians will receive another privilege. There is nothing that says he has to do it on the 50 yard line. He can find a private place after the game and pray. The Supreme Court seems to have more in common with the mullahs in Iran.

Praying in public is not a privilege.

And your comparison to Islam is laughable. You Christian-haters don't dare criticize Muslims.

 

[daveman]

I am the one who believes in freedom...

No, you're not.

 

[daveman]

Trump is a fascist.

Wait for it...

There is no Constitutional right to pray in public schools.

Kinda sounds like you're the fascist who wants the government to enforce your beliefs with violence, there, Skippy.

 

[daveman]

They should rule against the coach if they are deciding the case on the Constitution. However these right wing judges don't care about the Constitution.

Sheer projection.

 

[daveman]

It is shocking how deep the lies go.


Not an hour ago I listened to an interview with one of my favs....I've read several of his books....Alan Dershowitz.....who said the following in discussing the Coach Kennedy prayer case:

"He'll probably win, but he shouldn't: the Constitution forbids prayer in school."


As confident as I am, I hesitate to call Dershowitz a liar......but here it is: he is a liar- there is no such restriction in the Constitution.


I challenge any Democrat/Liberal/Progressive to dispute what I just said.

They'll dispute it, but only by blindly repeating the lie.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

This is not about the establishment clause. And yes, if you listened to oral arguments, and it was stomach turning, you can see precisely what the right wing judges are attempting to do here. They want to pretend that this was that coaches attempt at having a private prayer, oh others could join in if the like. I mean such horseshit. One of the judges, probably Kavanaugh asked, "If the coach would have made the sign of the cross, visible on the sideline, would that be a firing offense. I couldn't believe the response, and it was a no, but it should have been expanded. No, but if he made a dozen television appearances, asked a half dozen TV film crews to be there to film him, had a couple of state representatives there touching his shoulder, and told 14 year old young men that they could make that sign too before the game, then hell yeah, can his damn ass.u cowasStare decisis, previous rulings, make this case a no-brainer. But I suspect they are going to rule in the coach's favor in the most stunning act of judicial creationism this nation has ever seen. While you claim that every judge who rules against this coach should be removed, the opposite is the case. In listening to the oral arguments it was clear, these judges are not there to make a ruling on constitutionality or legal precedence. They already know the conclusion they want to get to, they are just looking for a way to get there. That is the very definition of judicial creationism.

And that is just it. When this ruling comes down, in the coaches favor, I be damned if a single Republican can ever complain about judicial activism again. The founders, and hell yeah, I said it, the founders would be absolutely appalled. The Constitution, hell, might as well tear it up and throw it the hell away. And the bad part, the school district should have fired his ass, not because he was praying at the 50 yard line, but because he made it a damn circus. It wasn't about God, it was about HIM. Is it not easy to see. He was little more than an assistant coach and yet he wanted to make himself the center of attention. Damn skippy, YOUR FIRED.

Please post your version of the First Amendment

 

[daveman]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What part of that do you not understand? This coach had every right to have a private prayer at the 50 yard line, after the game was over, when the players were on their way home, when he was alone. And as a matter of fact, he had that opportunity and he just didn't feel that was enough.

But, his ass is paid by the state. He is a state employee, and he can't have a prayer at midfield immediately after the game, inviting his students, and oh yeah--broadcasting through social media, making appearances on multiple new outlets, and proclaiming to anyone and everyone that this was his way of "making these men better people".

One of my favorite movies is The Incredible Mister Limpet, be careful what you wish for. The SCOTUS rule in the coaches favor I may very well seek a position as an assistant coach at the local high school. I will conduct a Wiccan ceremony at midfield, probably include me being naked and maybe sacrificing a chicken in the process, and "invite" my players to participate. Don't participate, I will bench your ass. I mean these right wing Trump appointees are so damn stupid that they can't see that.

You are an idiot. You have no clue as to what the Constitution says or how the founding fathers thought. In no small way, the founding fathers were revolting against the first Great Awakening, something I am sure you have never heard of. But , I am here to tell you, the founding fathers, to the person, would be absolutely appalled at this case, and would can this self-absorbed dipshit without a second thought.

He said the word "God".

You heard him.

You're a Christian now, against your will.

See, that's how stupid you sound.

 

[daveman]

Please post your version of the First Amendment

NOBODY CAN SAY ANYTHING I DONT LIKE

There, covered that for you, Winston. You're welcome.