Holding Up A Mirror to the Argument Against DEI

[whitehall]

Lots of statistics to back up a bullshit argument.

 

[MarcATL]

Let's just get to the point here. Right-wingers are lying about what they want. Their claim is that they want equal opportunity for everyone. But the reality is they are advocating for white preferential treatment. If this were not the case, those in opposition would not be presenting this argument solely in discussions about people of color who are hired in high-level positions. They claim that DEI leads to hiring unqualified individuals from diverse backgrounds. What is never considered is the fact that unqualified whites exist. It is a racist argument, and it is done by whites who think they are entitled to everything because they are white. The use of plausible deniability won't work here. The argument of reverse or anti-white discrimination does not stand up under the scrutiny of fact. According to the 2024 Department of Labor Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey, which includes data on employed persons by detailed occupation, sex, race, and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity, there is no indication of discrimination against white individuals, as they represent 76.3 percent of the workforce. Hispanics were 19.4 percent, Blacks, 12.8 percent, and Asians were 7 percent. Where the fallacy in the right-wing argument is revealed most is in the various types of management. While whites are 76.3 percent of the overall workforce, they are 76.7 percent of those holding various management positions.

Whites are:

• 86 percent of the CEOS.
• 80 percent of the GMS and Operations managers.
• 92 percent of the Advertising/Promotions managers.
• 82.6 percent of the Marketing managers.
• 87 percent of the Sales managers.
• 88.5 percent of the P.R. and fundraising managers.
• 80.8 percent of the Administrative Services managers.
• 79.9 percent of the Facilities managers.
• 71.9 percent of the Computer and Information managers.
• 77.4 percent of the Financial managers.
• 78.9 percent of the Human Resource managers.
• 88.1 percent of the Training and Development managers
• 81 percent of the Industrial Production managers.
• 83 percent of the Purchasing managers.
• 77.2 percent of the Transportation, Storage, and Distribution managers.
• 96.3 percent of Farm, Ranch, and other agricultural managers.
• 89.3 percent of the Construction managers.
• 78 percent of the Education and childcare administrators.
• 75.8 percent of the Food service managers.
• 80 percent of the Entertainment/Recreation managers.
• 75.6 percent of the Lodging managers.
• 76.4 percent of the Medical and Health Services managers.
• 79.6 percent of the Property, Real Estate and Community Associations managers.
• 77.2 percent of the Social and Community Services managers

It doesn’t stop with management.

Whites are:

• 77 percent of the employees in Business and financial occupations.
• 64.2 percent of the employees in Computer and mathematic occupations.
• 76 percent of the employees in Architecture/engineering occupations.
• 72.6 percent of the employees in the Life, physic and social science occupations.
• 71.8 percent of the employees in the Community and Social service occupations.
• 82.1 percent of the employees in the Lega occupations.
• 78.7 percent of the Education, training and library occupations.
• 79.7 percent of the Arts, design, entertainment, sports, and media occupations.
• 79 percent of the police officers.
• 80.6 percent of the Detectives and criminal investigators.
• 66.8 percent of of the correction officers and jailers.9

These numbers are not because whites were all the most qualified. Where is the discrimination against whites because of DEI? I’ll answer:

IT DOESN’T EXIST!

Employed persons by detailed occupation, sex, race, and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity

Employed persons by detailed occupation, sex, race, and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity

www.bls.gov

Brilliant!

 

[Kondor3]

Actually, that's not the case. There are more Pete Hegseths, white second and third stringers and incompetents who work in every occupation.

In truth the second- and third -stringers and incompetents can be found in both the public and private sectors.

It's just that in the PUBLIC sector they represent a much higher percentage of the workforce and they are more difficult to fire.

I know... from personal and recent experience on the Federal level as one who witnessed the depth of that truth every day.

 

[IM2]

In truth the second- and third -stringers and incompetents can be found in both the public and private sectors.

It's just that in the PUBLIC sector they represent a much higher percentage of the workforce and they are more difficult to fire.

I know... from personal and recent experience on the Federal level as one who witnessed the depth of that truth every day.

Actually, anyone can start a private business. Anyone can't get a job in a government agency. You won't see a 12-year-old being given a directorship in an agency, but 12-year-olds have started businesses.

 

[Robert W]

Actually, anyone can start a private business. Anyone can't get a job in a government agency. You won't see a 12-year-old being given a directorship in an agency, but 12-year-olds have started businesses.

Lets see you start a auto dealership!!!

 

[MayorQuimby]

The denials from the usual suspects have come. Whites aren't affected by DEI, and if you're whining about getting 77 percent of the jobs, you aren't wanting merit.

What if white people are naturally more competent? This is a real possibility.

 

[MayorQuimby]

Actually, anyone can start a private business. Anyone can't get a job in a government agency. You won't see a 12-year-old being given a directorship in an agency, but 12-year-olds have started businesses.

Don't you need to be of a certain age to open a business account with a bank? How is a 12 year old going to receive payments for his business without an account.

 

[Robert W]

Don't you need to be of a certain age to open a business account with a bank? How is a 12 year old going to receive payments for his business without an account.

Children are not allowed to operate as adults.

 

[IM2]

What if white people are naturally more competent? This is a real possibility.

Actually its not.. Whites are no more competent than anyone else.

 

[IM2]

Don't you need to be of a certain age to open a business account with a bank? How is a 12 year old going to receive payments for his business without an account.

You can ask all the questions you want but kids have started businesses.

 

[Auld Phart]

Actually its not.. Whites are no more competent than anyone else.

Whites are no more competent than anyone else.

nor more incompetent

 

[Kondor3]

What if white people are naturally more competent? This is a real possibility.

White People built this country and its democratic vision and crafted its Constitution and lifted up its ignorant Minorities.

 

[IM2]

White People built this country and its democratic vision and crafted its Constitution and lifted up its ignorant Minorities.

White people created a fascist system that was built to prefer whites. Whites did not build this country alone. In fact, forced non-white labor literally built this country. It is time some whites stopped repeating the tall tale you have posted.

 

[Kondor3]

White people created a fascist system that was built to prefer whites.

Fun, wasn't it?

We've gone a long way towards eliminating such distinctions; too far, in fact, and now you're largely "on your own".

Like the rest of us.

Free ride's over.

Whites did not build this country alone.

Quite true.

Although the fruits of much of Black labor were wiped out once slave-based agriculture was erased from the South.

Whites supplied the Vision and the vast majority of Knowledge and Skill.

Blacks supplied a fraction of the overall Labor invested into the building of the Northeast, Midwest and West.

Whites (and, later, to some extent, Hispanics and Asians) did the rest nationwide.

In fact, forced non-white labor literally built this country.

Hor$e$hit.

Blacks helped a lot in the Southeast during the formative years of the Republic. Not so much elsewhere.

And the erasure of the Southern slave-based agricultural economy also erased most of the value of that old slave labor.

It is time some whites stopped repeating the tall tale you have posted.

Rather, it's time you stopped Playing the Racial Victim Card and acting like you're something special. You're not.

 

[IM2]

Fun, wasn't it?

We've gone a long way towards eliminating such distinctions; too far, in fact, and now you're largely "on your own".

Like the rest of us.

Free ride's over.

Quite true.

Although the fruits of much of Black labor were wiped out once slave-based agriculture was erased from the South.

Whites supplied the Vision and the vast majority of Knowledge and Skill.

Blacks supplied a fraction of the overall Labor invested into the building of the Northeast, Midwest and West.

Whites (and, later, to some extent, Hispanics and Asians) did the rest nationwide.


Hor$e$hit.

Blacks helped a lot in the Southeast during the formative years of the Republic. Not so much elsewhere.

And the erasure of the Southern slave-based agricultural economy also erased most of the value of that old slave labor.

Rather, it's time you stopped Playing the Racial Victim Card and acting like you're something special. You're not.

Reality supported by data shows that every word you wrote is untrue. The only people who have played any racial victim cards from the beginning of this country have been whites.

Slave backed securities helped industrialize the North. They were sold internationally. I get tired of you racists and your emotion-based opinions. The facts show a different story, and you shouldn't try arguing your emotional bs wth someone who has studied and continues to study the facts.

 

[BackAgain]

Let's just get to the point here. Right-wingers are lying about what they want. Their claim is that they want equal opportunity for everyone. But the reality is they are advocating for white preferential treatment. If this were not the case, those in opposition would not be presenting this argument solely in discussions about people of color who are hired in high-level positions. They claim that DEI leads to hiring unqualified individuals from diverse backgrounds. What is never considered is the fact that unqualified whites exist. It is a racist argument, and it is done by whites who think they are entitled to everything because they are white. The use of plausible deniability won't work here. The argument of reverse or anti-white discrimination does not stand up under the scrutiny of fact. According to the 2024 Department of Labor Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey, which includes data on employed persons by detailed occupation, sex, race, and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity, there is no indication of discrimination against white individuals, as they represent 76.3 percent of the workforce. Hispanics were 19.4 percent, Blacks, 12.8 percent, and Asians were 7 percent. Where the fallacy in the right-wing argument is revealed most is in the various types of management. While whites are 76.3 percent of the overall workforce, they are 76.7 percent of those holding various management positions.

Whites are:

• 86 percent of the CEOS.
• 80 percent of the GMS and Operations managers.
• 92 percent of the Advertising/Promotions managers.
• 82.6 percent of the Marketing managers.
• 87 percent of the Sales managers.
• 88.5 percent of the P.R. and fundraising managers.
• 80.8 percent of the Administrative Services managers.
• 79.9 percent of the Facilities managers.
• 71.9 percent of the Computer and Information managers.
• 77.4 percent of the Financial managers.
• 78.9 percent of the Human Resource managers.
• 88.1 percent of the Training and Development managers
• 81 percent of the Industrial Production managers.
• 83 percent of the Purchasing managers.
• 77.2 percent of the Transportation, Storage, and Distribution managers.
• 96.3 percent of Farm, Ranch, and other agricultural managers.
• 89.3 percent of the Construction managers.
• 78 percent of the Education and childcare administrators.
• 75.8 percent of the Food service managers.
• 80 percent of the Entertainment/Recreation managers.
• 75.6 percent of the Lodging managers.
• 76.4 percent of the Medical and Health Services managers.
• 79.6 percent of the Property, Real Estate and Community Associations managers.
• 77.2 percent of the Social and Community Services managers

It doesn’t stop with management.

Whites are:

• 77 percent of the employees in Business and financial occupations.
• 64.2 percent of the employees in Computer and mathematic occupations.
• 76 percent of the employees in Architecture/engineering occupations.
• 72.6 percent of the employees in the Life, physic and social science occupations.
• 71.8 percent of the employees in the Community and Social service occupations.
• 82.1 percent of the employees in the Lega occupations.
• 78.7 percent of the Education, training and library occupations.
• 79.7 percent of the Arts, design, entertainment, sports, and media occupations.
• 79 percent of the police officers.
• 80.6 percent of the Detectives and criminal investigators.
• 66.8 percent of of the correction officers and jailers.9

These numbers are not because whites were all the most qualified. Where is the discrimination against whites because of DEI? I’ll answer:

IT DOESN’T EXIST!

Employed persons by detailed occupation, sex, race, and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity

Employed persons by detailed occupation, sex, race, and Hispanic or Latino ethnicity

www.bls.gov

Let’s get to the point here. IQ2 is a dishonest one note symphony of racist stupidity.

 

[Auld Phart]

Reality supported by data shows that every word you wrote is untrue. The only people who have played any racial victim cards from the beginning of this country have been whites.

Slave backed securities helped industrialize the North. They were sold internationally. I get tired of you racists and your emotion-based opinions. The facts show a different story, and you shouldn't try arguing your emotional bs wth someone who has studied and continues to study the facts.

The only people who have played any racial victim cards from the beginning of this country have been whites.

Malcom X disagrees, and you prove it to be a lie yourself.

 

[Kondor3]

Reality supported by data shows that every word you wrote is untrue. The only people who have played any racial victim cards from the beginning of this country have been whites.

Generally speaking, Whites have stopped listening to your spiel... Blacks are mainstreaming faster than ever... suck it up, buttercup.

Slave backed securities helped industrialize the North.

Helped (to some extent). Not 'built by themselves' .

They were sold internationally.

Whatever. Musty, moldy old history. Nobody outside your circles really gives a rat's a$$ anymore.

I get tired of you racists and your emotion-based opinions.

That's nice.

The facts show a different story, and you shouldn't try arguing your emotional bs wth someone who has studied and continues to study the facts.

Oh, I'm certain that you've "studied"... all your life... that explains the Texas-sized chip on your shoulder. Funny stuff.

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

No, he didn't, and you're right to point it out, however, that does NOT speak to the vast numbers of DEI hires, oftentimes second- and third-stringers and incompetents and government-dole layabouts, who should NEVER have been given government jobs. Nice try.

DEI also helps WHITE WOMEN, veterans, LGBT people, diasabled people. But all you concentrate on is Black people.
Your racism is showing.

 

[Kondor3]

DEI also helps WHITE WOMEN, veterans, LGBT people, diasabled people.

It helps them far, far, FAR less than it does Black Folk...

I know this for a fact after years of first-hand observation in a very, very large-scale Federal environment...

But all you concentrate on is Black people.

Because that is who it helps most... by an order of magnitude... therefore, it is right to keep the focus there...

Regardless of your opinion on the subject...

Your racism is showing.

I am, indeed, a racist, insofar as I care more about my own race than I do others...

That is merely instinctive human behavior and is neither good nor bad in its own right...

However, I do not wish bad things for members of other races, and am perfectly willing to live in peace alongside them...

So long as my own rights and prerogatives are not encroached upon, I am content to live in that safe, comfortable peace...

But that has very little to do with the FACT that D.E.I. primarily helps Black Folks far more than any other group...

Sorry... you lose...