Competency Doesn't Mean White!

[jc456]

Have all men had equal access to opportunity based on the law? Has the law been applied to all men equally?

These are better questions. Questions you don't want to answer.

Where’s that quote?

 

[WEATHER53]

Are all men created equal?

One would sayv that sinec are born in probation and will need help all their lives from endless scrapes

 

[WEATHER53]

Liar. Just stop. The facts show differently. Stop trying to argue when you haven't studied the facts. Your feelings don't count..

Name call first word sure sign of dumbness and lack of response

 

[IM2]

Name call first word sure sign of dumbness and lack of response

And you do that all the time. The fact is that the data shows you are lying. Since you've done no research, stop trying to argue with someone who has.

 

[IM2]

Where’s that quote?

We aren't talking about a quote. We are talking about equal opportunity. You don't want to answer those questions because you know what the answer is.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

Nor does merit. This whole DEI argument is based on the claim that competency and merit are passed ver because of color. Competency and merit do not mean white. Everybody white is not always the best qualified. It's never been that way even when whites were allowed to exclude us who were not white by law. The only reason why so many fields are dominated by whites today is due to the exclusion in the past, not superior white competence or merit. This current administration is just another example of 249 years of unqualified whites, specifically white men, who have been put in high offices over far more qualified people of color.

Donald Trump's war on DEI is not about "merit"​

Executive orders attacking DEI are about promoting unqualified white men over diverse candidates​

onald Trump lies about everything, but the lies strewn throughout his executive order shutting down diversity, equity and inclusion, or DEI, policies in the federal government are especially taxing on one's credulity. Efforts to improve diversity, the order reads, "deny, discredit, and undermine the traditional American values of hard work, excellence, and individual achievement." This paean to the importance of "excellence" and "hard work" comes from a man who, a mere five years ago, looked a row of medical researchers and doctors in the eye and suggested he understood science better than they did, despite having not studied it for a day of his life. He then theorized that Lysol and bleach be used to treat COVID-19 patients "by injection inside, or almost a cleaning, because, you see, it gets in the lungs," aware of the basic scientific principle that painting your lungs with poisonous substances will kill you.

The new executive order insists that recruiting diverse applicants is "diminishing the importance of individual merit, aptitude, hard work, and determination." It was signed by a man who has nominated Pete Hegseth, an understudy Fox News host, to run the Department of Defense. Hegseth's only prior administrative experience comes from running two small-time charities into the ground, resulting in his removal from leadership. This ode to the value of skills and knowledge comes from the same half-literate president who also nominated Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to run Health and Human Services, even though Kennedy claims cognitive decline from a brain worm and also refuses to accept the overwhelming scientific evidence showing that vaccines are safe and effective. The only reason the alleged testament to "merit" is even readable is because someone other than Trump wrote it. The "merit"-loving president famously can't get through a 240-character social media post without multiple grammatical errors and misspellings.

All three of these men embody the concept of incompetence, but they are white, straight and male. When Trump or any MAGA devotee is talking about "merit" or "excellence," that is what they mean: whiteness, straightness and maleness.

And the more incompetent or ignorant the straight white man is, the more he is held out as the exemplar of "merit" in MAGA-speak. For all the talk about opposition to discrimination and belief in a "colorblind" society, the actions of MAGA show that their true goal is reserving better jobs and opportunities for straight white men, while relegating women, LGBTQ folks and people of color to underpaid and lower-status employment.

MAGA's war on DEI is not about "merit"

Executive orders attacking DEI are about promoting unqualified white men over diverse candidates

www.salon.com

Sure, same NFL Cornerbacks.................Give white men, and transgenders a chance.

 

[IM2]

Sure, same NFL Cornerbacks.................Give white men, and transgenders a chance.

Another dumb post. What about Hockey? Golf?

Again, these positions are earned by competing physically against each other. So try another argument racist dunce.

Why aren't more non whites working in NFL front offices? Why has there never been a black NFL commissioner? And when you go to NFL HQ, you don't see many blacks. The players are basically entry-level employees whose careers average 3 years..

 

[Lisa558]

again, until you get rid of white privilege, you will still need DEI, not just for people of color, but for women, the disabled, etc.

There hasn’t been any white privilege since I was in college in the late 70s. There has been two full generations of black privilege, both in college and grad school admissions (med schools are the most blatant in terms of their favoritism toward blacks), as well as in job hiring and promotions.

Way past time for DEI to DIE. And yes, that means that a Jewish boy with superior grades and scores will get in over a black with worse grades and scores. As it should be. Fair is fair.

 

[Lisa558]

Test had to be dumbed down for too stupids

They did that with the med school test, too. Dumbed it down.

And at TJ High School, they simply got rid of the entrance exam altogether. Too many Asians were acing it, and very few blacks.

 

[Lisa558]

Sure, same NFL Cornerbacks.................Give white men, and transgenders a chance.

What about women? I wanna play in the NFL! Waaaaaah.

 

[WEATHER53]

Complacency does mean black as all have seen

 

[IM2]

There hasn’t been any white privilege since I was in college in the late 70s. There has been two full generations of black privilege, both in college and grad school admissions (med schools are the most blatant in terms of their favoritism toward blacks), as well as in job hiring and promotions.

Way past time for DEI to DIE. And yes, that means that a Jewish boy with superior grades and scores will get in over a black with worse grades and scores. As it should be. Fair is fair.

You are an example of white privilege. There has never been any black privilege. I won't continue arguing this with some idiotic, flagrantly white racist b----. There are black Jews and the white Jew Jared Kushner was admitted to Harvard with lower scores than blacks who were denied because his daddy donated a large sum of money to the school.

The Story Behind Jared Kushner’s Curious Acceptance Into Harvard University​

My book exposed a grubby secret of American higher education: that the rich buy their under-achieving children’s way into elite universities with massive, tax-deductible donations. It reported that New Jersey real estate developer Charles Kushner had pledged $2.5 million to Harvard University in 1998, not long before his son Jared was admitted to the prestigious Ivy League school. At the time, Harvard accepted about one of every nine applicants. (Nowadays, it only takes one out of 20.)

I also quoted administrators at Jared’s high school, who described him as a less than stellar student and expressed dismay at Harvard’s decision.

“There was no way anybody in the administrative office of the school thought he would on the merits get into Harvard,” a former official at The Frisch School in Paramus, New Jersey, told me. “His GPA did not warrant it, his SAT scores did not warrant it. We thought for sure, there was no way this was going to happen. Then, lo and behold, Jared was accepted. It was a little bit disappointing because there were at the time other kids we thought should really get in on the merits, and they did not.”

The Story Behind Jared Kushner’s Curious Acceptance Into Harvard University

Daniel Golden wrote a book a decade ago about how the rich buy their children access to elite…

psmag.com

STHU.

 

[jc456]

We aren't talking about a quote. We are talking about equal opportunity. You don't want to answer those questions because you know what the answer is.

well that wasn't in his speech, it was all men are created equal, there is nothing else that is equal. There are opportunities for everyone willing to pursue today, no more living in 1865. Time to move forward. MLK did.

 

[jc456]

Another dumb post. What about Hockey? Golf?

Again, these positions are earned by competing physically against each other. So try another argument racist dunce.

Why aren't more non whites working in NFL front offices? Why has there never been a black NFL commissioner? And when you go to NFL HQ, you don't see many blacks. The players are basically entry-level employees whose careers average 3 years..

are there non whites working there? Why is there a perceived percentage with you?

 

[JoeB131]

Um, I was a 5 year letterman(lettered in varsity while still in middle school) and was recruited by colleges. I am also a college graduate who is much more successful than you.

I'm sure your double-wide is very nice, Cleetus.

Are African Americans inherently better at athletics, in general? If so, why? I can give you some scientific facts based on biology that make the case. Are Asians inherently more intelligent than whites, in general? Are there any genetic differences among races at all? That is a trick question.

Well, you talk to your buddy Hector12, he would say yes.

I would recognize there are other factors involved. For blacks, it's 400 years of institutionalized racism. For Asians, we are kind of getting the cream of the crop. They are more likely to be affluent in their home country, etc. If they can afford to come here, it's because they have the resources and skills to.

As for your absurd assertion that I believe that whites are more intelligent than blacks, everyone should be individually evaluated on their abilities, regardless of race. I know that is a REALLY hard concept for closet, maybe even subconscious, racist like yourself to accept or understand.

Again, when you've erased the effects of 400 years of institutionalized racism and white privilege, we can come back and talk.

not before.

Oh please. Yeah, Patrick Mahomes is a poor, exploited soul making 50 million/yr.

So how many Mahomes are there who won the Hunger Games? Vs. How many kids just got the concussive brain injuries in HS and are flipping burgers right now. How many washouts didn't finish college and were expelled after their schools were done with them.

And maybe you weren't aware that NBA players don't wear helmets. Playing basketball isn't exactly free solo rock climbing. Being a non-athlete, you don't have a clue what you are talking about, but as usual, you lefties fancy yourselves as experts at everything, which begs the question why so many of them are complete losers.

I've very successful at what I do... I know one thing that I did do which probably set me back was "Serving in the military", which didn't pay well, and it was a bit of an adjustment after I got out. (I also had the misfortune of getting out the same time Poppy Bush had ratfucked the economy, which didn't help.)

1000 Dow drop today. Looks like another Republican Ratfucking is coming.

I haven't said a think that is racist. Disagreeing with you and others like you doesn't make it so.

No, but trying to rationalize a racist system is. Not every German was tossing Jews into the ovens, but they all tolerated it for way too long.

As to white privilege, well, I guess that just doesn't apply in the NFL or the NBA. White coaches don't give their sons multi-million dollar contracts just because they are their kid. Sure, I would bring my son on to run my business, but if he was incompetent, his role would be minimal. Nepotism aside, no reasonable business person would bring on an employee simply because they are white.

Again, NFL and NBA are poor examples, because only 0.4% who try ever get there. We sell these kids that sports are their ticket out, and usually, it isn't.

Nepotism aside, no reasonable business person would bring on an employee simply because they are white. Would you?

No, but most people will hire people who they can relate to.

I have had three companies hire me based on my being a veteran.
Two of those companies hired me because someone on the inside recommended me.
At another company I worked at, the boss really liked me because I was a fellow Star Trek nerd.
The one thing I can say about every company that's hired me since I left the military. The person making the decision was always white.

You may be as white as the driven snow, but I wouldn't hire you because your woke ideology and white guilt would likely interfere with your job performance.

Then you need to stop being such an obsessive cultist.
My career has been just fine, even after I did a 180 on my political beliefs in 2008.

 

[Kondor3]

Nor does merit. This whole DEI argument is based on the claim that competency and merit are passed ver because of color. Competency and merit do not mean white. Everybody white is not always the best qualified. It's never been that way even when whites were allowed to exclude us who were not white by law. The only reason why so many fields are dominated by whites today is due to the exclusion in the past, not superior white competence or merit. This current administration is just another example of 249 years of unqualified whites, specifically white men, who have been put in high offices over far more qualified people of color.

Donald Trump's war on DEI is not about "merit"​

Executive orders attacking DEI are about promoting unqualified white men over diverse candidates​

onald Trump lies about everything, but the lies strewn throughout his executive order shutting down diversity, equity and inclusion, or DEI, policies in the federal government are especially taxing on one's credulity. Efforts to improve diversity, the order reads, "deny, discredit, and undermine the traditional American values of hard work, excellence, and individual achievement." This paean to the importance of "excellence" and "hard work" comes from a man who, a mere five years ago, looked a row of medical researchers and doctors in the eye and suggested he understood science better than they did, despite having not studied it for a day of his life. He then theorized that Lysol and bleach be used to treat COVID-19 patients "by injection inside, or almost a cleaning, because, you see, it gets in the lungs," aware of the basic scientific principle that painting your lungs with poisonous substances will kill you.

The new executive order insists that recruiting diverse applicants is "diminishing the importance of individual merit, aptitude, hard work, and determination." It was signed by a man who has nominated Pete Hegseth, an understudy Fox News host, to run the Department of Defense. Hegseth's only prior administrative experience comes from running two small-time charities into the ground, resulting in his removal from leadership. This ode to the value of skills and knowledge comes from the same half-literate president who also nominated Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to run Health and Human Services, even though Kennedy claims cognitive decline from a brain worm and also refuses to accept the overwhelming scientific evidence showing that vaccines are safe and effective. The only reason the alleged testament to "merit" is even readable is because someone other than Trump wrote it. The "merit"-loving president famously can't get through a 240-character social media post without multiple grammatical errors and misspellings.

All three of these men embody the concept of incompetence, but they are white, straight and male. When Trump or any MAGA devotee is talking about "merit" or "excellence," that is what they mean: whiteness, straightness and maleness.

And the more incompetent or ignorant the straight white man is, the more he is held out as the exemplar of "merit" in MAGA-speak. For all the talk about opposition to discrimination and belief in a "colorblind" society, the actions of MAGA show that their true goal is reserving better jobs and opportunities for straight white men, while relegating women, LGBTQ folks and people of color to underpaid and lower-status employment.

MAGA's war on DEI is not about "merit"

Executive orders attacking DEI are about promoting unqualified white men over diverse candidates

www.salon.com

The days of adding "points" to an applicant's candidate-evaluation score, attributable to race or protected class, are over.

The days of quotas (formal or informal) based upon race, protected-class membership, and such nonsense, are over.

No more school admissions nor hiring nor other form of putting-a-finger-on-the-scales based on race, etc... all done.

"Elections have consequences." ( Barack Obama, 2009 )

These are yours.

Enjoy.

 

[JoeB131]

In the name of fairness, I need to slap down IM2, because the man can't stop saying stupid shit.

“I can say for sure that happens because I did it. Before retirement, I was an Engineer. For the last 20 years of my career, I was a Manager and Director and I hired hundreds of people. I reviewed well over a thousand resumes for all kinds of positions. Everything from Secretaries to Engineering Managers. Both Salary and Hourly. I always culled out the resumes with Black Ethnic names. Never shortlisted anybody with a Black Ethnic name. Never hired them.”

USMB member Flash. Thread "Black Names"

Well, here's the first problem. Do you think Flash is what he claimed to be, despite his posts showing him not to be terribly literate or intelligent? More likely, he was trolling you, and you fell for it.

(It looks like Flash has been permabanned, so no point in discussing this further.)

And here is where whites like you lie to try to minimize what happens. So then you will try to say how this is just one person. But it's not.

Employers may be selecting or overlooking prospective job candidates for interviews based on their potential race as suggested by names, according to a recent study by two professors from the University of Chicago and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).

To test whether employers might discriminate against job applicants with black-sounding names, associate professors of economics Marianne Bertrand with Chicagos Graduate School of Business and Sendhil Mullainathan with MIT conducted an elaborate experiment. They fabricated resumes for multiple phantom job seekers with common black and white names. The professors then sent out nearly 5,000 resumes for 1,300 job openings advertised in newspapers and on online job sites throughout Chicago and Boston.

The results are a bit disturbing, the researchers admit. Applicants with white-sounding names were 50 percent more likely to be contacted for job interviews than those with typical black names. There were no significant differences between the rates at which men and women were contacted.

This looks like a job for Resume Man!

The problem with this study is that the resumes were fake. Now, some companies will call without doing background checks, but a lot of them won't.

While I am sure that there is name discrimination, again, have to go back to Asians, who often have far goofier names than "Jamal" or "LaKeisha". Yet amazingly, Pradip Patel and Yaoling Lui still get callbacks on their resumes.

 

[Lisa558]

You are an example of white privilege. There has never been any black privilege. I won't continue arguing this with some idiotic, flagrantly white racist b----. There are black Jews and the white Jew Jared Kushner was admitted to Harvard with lower scores than blacks who were denied because his daddy donated a large sum of money to the school.

The Story Behind Jared Kushner’s Curious Acceptance Into Harvard University​

My book exposed a grubby secret of American higher education: that the rich buy their under-achieving children’s way into elite universities with massive, tax-deductible donations. It reported that New Jersey real estate developer Charles Kushner had pledged $2.5 million to Harvard University in 1998, not long before his son Jared was admitted to the prestigious Ivy League school. At the time, Harvard accepted about one of every nine applicants. (Nowadays, it only takes one out of 20.)

I also quoted administrators at Jared’s high school, who described him as a less than stellar student and expressed dismay at Harvard’s decision.

“There was no way anybody in the administrative office of the school thought he would on the merits get into Harvard,” a former official at The Frisch School in Paramus, New Jersey, told me. “His GPA did not warrant it, his SAT scores did not warrant it. We thought for sure, there was no way this was going to happen. Then, lo and behold, Jared was accepted. It was a little bit disappointing because there were at the time other kids we thought should really get in on the merits, and they did not.”

The Story Behind Jared Kushner’s Curious Acceptance Into Harvard University

Daniel Golden wrote a book a decade ago about how the rich buy their children access to elite…

psmag.com

STHU.

That has nothing to do with race, nor religion. That’s money, and a kid from a rich family.

That doesn’t mean Jews are privileged, or whites are privileged. A middle class black and a middle class Jew (or white) do not all have equal admissions opportunities. The advantage goes to the black, even if his grades and scores are inferior to the Jew’s or white’s.

That type of black privilege is coming to an end.

 

[JoeB131]

That has nothing to do with race, nor religion. That’s money, and a kid from a rich family.

That doesn’t mean Jews are privileged, or whites are privileged. A middle class black and a middle class Jew (or white) do not all have equal admissions opportunities. The advantage goes to the black, even if his grades and scores are inferior to the Jew’s or white’s.

That type of black privilege is coming to an end.

Well, until the next election and we have such a bout of shame over Trump that we undo everything he did.

Republicans will be running away from him in hopes to rebuild their party brand.

Dow down 1000 points today!!!

 

[DBA]

Here is a long winded bit of white ignorance. First, let me go to the remarks said about Mahmes and contrast them with today's white man whining about being oppressed. White men are just over 30 percent of the population but hold more than 80 percent of the management jobs at every level. This is not because white men are so much better qualified than everybody else. While white men are overrepresented in these positions, we see white men whining about being discriminated against. So shut up about Patrick Mahomes.

Now, you made a comment about how no business would bring somebody in only because they are white. That's a lie, and you know it. So once again et me prve prof.

“I can say for sure that happens because I did it. Before retirement, I was an Engineer. For the last 20 years of my career, I was a Manager and Director and I hired hundreds of people. I reviewed well over a thousand resumes for all kinds of positions. Everything from Secretaries to Engineering Managers. Both Salary and Hourly. I always culled out the resumes with Black Ethnic names. Never shortlisted anybody with a Black Ethnic name. Never hired them.”

USMB member Flash. Thread "Black Names"

And here is where whites like you lie to try to minimize what happens. So then you will try to say how this is just one person. But it's not.

Employers may be selecting or overlooking prospective job candidates for interviews based on their potential race as suggested by names, according to a recent study by two professors from the University of Chicago and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).

To test whether employers might discriminate against job applicants with black-sounding names, associate professors of economics Marianne Bertrand with Chicagos Graduate School of Business and Sendhil Mullainathan with MIT conducted an elaborate experiment. They fabricated resumes for multiple phantom job seekers with common black and white names. The professors then sent out nearly 5,000 resumes for 1,300 job openings advertised in newspapers and on online job sites throughout Chicago and Boston.

The results are a bit disturbing, the researchers admit. Applicants with white-sounding names were 50 percent more likely to be contacted for job interviews than those with typical black names. There were no significant differences between the rates at which men and women were contacted.

Study Suggests Bias Against 'Black' Names On Resumes

Employers may be selecting or overlooking prospective job candidates for interviews based on their potential race as suggested by names, according to a recent study by two professors from the...

www.shrm.org

A groundbreaking new study by economists Kline, Rose, and Walters reveals what many have known for decades—name bias is still a pervasive issue in the hiring process. The researchers sent out a series of identical resumes to analyze whether race and gender impacted callback rates of job applications at 97 U.S. employers. The study analyzed distinctly “Black” names and “white” names as well as male and female names, among other demographic differences. The results revealed that white and female names received the most callbacks followed by white male names. Black male names and Black female names were called back the least, respectively.

New Research Reveals Resumes With Black Names Experience Bias In The Hiring Process

A new study revealed that job applicants with Black names receive fewer callbacks than white applicants. This article explores the research and provides guidance for employers.

www.forbes.com

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w32313/w32313.pdf

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They aren't interviewing people for jobs if the name sounds black. But you say companies are not just hiring people because they are white.

Yeah right.

I wonder if these same people would call back someone named "Cletus", as JoeB131 so affectionately calls me? How about Bubba?