Hobby Lobby Still Covers Vasectomies And Viagra

[Luddly Neddite]

Christian Theocracy vs. Sharia Law: What's the difference?

A bag over your body with two holes for your eyes.

You're right. That's about it.

Other than that, the radical christian right is exactly like sharia law - laws based on their bible to control citizens.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No. What the Federal Government did was illegal. Especially since they were already giving that same exact religious exemption to other institutions.

You see the First amendment trumps administrative rules.

They probably could have argued under equal protection as well.

Why are you scrupulously avoiding the Muslim issue? Other than the obvious reason that you know you'll lose that argument...

I haven't avoided it whatsoever. You just want to ignore it.

You did not address the issue of whether or not Sharia laws that were in conflict with US law could be made permissible/legal under 1st amendment religious exercise rights.

And you won't, for obvious reasons.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Neither impact a zygote, and Viagra may encourage fertility. Religious beliefs may often spliit hairs, yes, but consistancy is not a Constitutional requirement, Hobby Lobby prevailed on the primary issue before the Court.

But neither are necessary procedures or pharmaceuticals, either. They are for men who wish to control their family size or enhance their sexual experience. Such consideration for men but it's OK to oppress women. Gee, I bet Hobby Lobby is a good ol' southern corporation.

That's bullshit that Viagra encourages fertility. A man is either shooting blanks or live bullets. All Viagra does is help concentrate blood into his extremities, not boost their sperm count.

No woman is oppressed if Hobby lobby doesn't pay for their abortion pill. They aren't even oppressed if Hobby Lobby doesnt pay for their birth control.

You seem to have this idea that unless someone else purchases something for you that you are oppressed. If someone else doesn't buy you something you want, go and buy it yourself. It's a free country. This decision does not give Hobby Lobby or any other business the ability to tell you that you cannot use any such pills.

It allows Hobby Lobby to impose a financial penalty on women who would use these birth control methods that is not imposed on women whose employers obey the law.

 

[Spoonman]

funny how the left has no problem with forcing someone to do something they believe is wrong but bitch up a storm when someone is allowed to follow their moral convictions.

 

[Ibentoken]

Holy crap, I'm heading down to Hobby Lobby right now.
Guardian Columnist Calls For Women To Have Sex Inside Hobby Lobby Stores In protest Of SCOTUS Ruling | Conservative Byte

 

[Meister]

It is but the thought of one of those homophobes with a four hour boner just made me throw up a bit.

Sure you didn't choke on it?

I'm able to wrap my lips around a beer stein. Hubby has over 11", I don't choke. Do you?

You should put that on your job resume....once you get off your knees.

 

[RandallFlagg]

That case isn't. This case, however, is just about the abortifacients. Despite you and your little friends trying to lie otherwise.

So you acknowledge that this is a legitimate slippery slope to all sorts of further theocratic special privileges, contrary to US law, in the future.

No. I just acknowledge you are completely lying about what it's about and don't like being called on it.

You do not have the right to force people to act contrary to their religious beliefs. If you had any sense whatsoever you'd realize you don't have the right to force other people to give you things.

Apparently the left doesn't know the difference between a RELIGION and a privately owned business owned by CHRISTIANS.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No Slippery Slope?

It's already started:

"In her blistering dissent in Monday’s Supreme Court Burwell v. Hobby Lobby decision, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg warned that the court’s majority may have “ventured into a minefield” by extending the Religious Freedom and Restoration Act – a 1993 law that seeks to protect religious liberty from being infringed upon by other federal laws – to “closely held” companies...

...The very next day, a group of more than a dozen high-profile religious leaders sent a letter to the White House asking for “a religious exemption” – not to a law, but to President Obama’s forthcoming executive order barring federal contractors from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity...."

Yes, the Christian community is taking this is their cue to leap at the chance to get anti-gay discrimination established as a religious 'freedom'.

Will Hobby Lobby open the religious exemption floodgates? | MSNBC

 

[g5000]

Why don't these Christian zealots have a problem with semen being imprisoned in a man's testicles after having a vasectomy? That's a lot of babies going to waste.

Can you show us a Christian who believes life begins BEFORE conception?

 

[Lakhota]

Why don't these Christian zealots have a problem with semen being imprisoned in a man's testicles after having a vasectomy? That's a lot of babies going to waste.

Can you show us a Christian who believes life begins BEFORE conception?

Sort of...

Christians and Birth Control: Is Birth Control the same as Aborting Babies?

 

[westwall]

Hobby Lobby -- now free to drop emergency "morning after" pills and intrauterine devices from its workers' health insurance plans -- has given no indication that it plans to stop helping its male employees obtain erectile dysfunction treatments.

The Supreme Court ruled Monday that the craft store chain, owned by evangelical Christians, doesn't have to pay for health care coverage of contraceptives prohibited by its owners' religion.

But pills and pumps that help a man stiffen his penis in preparation for sex are perfectly acceptable.

Evangelical Christians have long argued that life begins at conception, and therefore that medical procedures that disrupt the first stages of pregnancy amount to murder. In the case of Hobby Lobby, this extends to a woman taking pills such as Plan B, Next Choice or Ella, any of which would prevent her ovaries from releasing an egg that could be fertilized after unprotected sex.

Perhaps taking a note from Catholic Church's opposition to sterilization, Hobby Lobby also objected to long-term birth control methods such as IUDs, which can cost women up to $1,000.

But that does not explain why Hobby Lobby doesn't object to covering the cost of its male employees' vasectomies.

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This seems like extreme hypocrisy to me.

Of course they do. They cover birth control. What they don't cover is abortion pills and abortions. I would have thought even a brain dead nincompoop could figure that out. Clearly I was wrong.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Hobby Lobby -- now free to drop emergency "morning after" pills and intrauterine devices from its workers' health insurance plans -- has given no indication that it plans to stop helping its male employees obtain erectile dysfunction treatments.

The Supreme Court ruled Monday that the craft store chain, owned by evangelical Christians, doesn't have to pay for health care coverage of contraceptives prohibited by its owners' religion.

But pills and pumps that help a man stiffen his penis in preparation for sex are perfectly acceptable.

Evangelical Christians have long argued that life begins at conception, and therefore that medical procedures that disrupt the first stages of pregnancy amount to murder. In the case of Hobby Lobby, this extends to a woman taking pills such as Plan B, Next Choice or Ella, any of which would prevent her ovaries from releasing an egg that could be fertilized after unprotected sex.

Perhaps taking a note from Catholic Church's opposition to sterilization, Hobby Lobby also objected to long-term birth control methods such as IUDs, which can cost women up to $1,000.

But that does not explain why Hobby Lobby doesn't object to covering the cost of its male employees' vasectomies.

MORE: Hobby Lobby Still Covers Vasectomies And Viagra

This seems like extreme hypocrisy to me.

Of course they do. They cover birth control. What they don't cover is abortion pills and abortions. I would have thought even a brain dead nincompoop could figure that out. Clearly I was wrong.

You do understand who you are talking to, right?

 

[Noomi]

Why don't these Christian zealots have a problem with semen being imprisoned in a man's testicles after having a vasectomy? That's a lot of babies going to waste.

Can you show us a Christian who believes life begins BEFORE conception?

Those who believe masturbation is a sin?

 

[jon_berzerk]

WHEATON COLLEGE v. SYLVIA BURWELL,

SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN

SERVICES, ET AL.

ON APPLICATION FOR INJUNCTION

The application for an injunction having been submitted to JUSTICE KAGAN and by her referred to the Court, the Court orders:

If the applicant informs the Secretary of Health and Human Services in writing that it is a nonprofit organization that holds itself out as religious and has religious objections to providing coverage for contraceptive services, the respondents are enjoined from enforcing against the applicant the challenged provisions of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and related regulations pending final disposition of appellate review. To meet the condition for injunction pending appeal, the applicant need not use the form prescribed by the Government, EBSA Form 700, and need not send copies to health insurance issuers or third-party administrators.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13a1284_ap6c.pdf

High Court Grants Wheaton College Plea

A divided Supreme Court on Thursday allowed, at least for now, an evangelical college in Illinois that objects to paying for contraceptives in its health plan to avoid filling out a government document that the college says would violate its religious beliefs.

The justices said that Wheaton College does not have to fill out the contested form while its case is on appeal but can instead write the Department of Health and Human Services declaring that it is a religious nonprofit organization and making its objection to emergency contraception. The college does provide coverage for other birth control.

Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor said they would have denied Wheaton’s request and made the college fill out a form that enables their insurers or third-party administrators to take on the responsibility of paying for the birth control.

High Court Grants Wheaton College Plea - ABC News

 

[MaryL]

All this tempest in a teapot, and thanks to Obama, I have no primary health care physician now. For 3 months I have been paying insurance, already, I lose my Doctor of ten years for THIS? Oh, Birth control, Jesus. Are you kidding me, I can't even get prescriptions for long term life threatening health issues, let alone birth control. My baby making days are long gone, I have other issues to worry about. Here is a tip, girls: if you want or need birth control, don't HAVE to work at Hobby Lobby. Freedom= nobody is twisting your arm to work there. But good luck with that, the way things stand now, you might be lucky to get a boil lanced. Let alone birth control with this new VA model Obama care crap.

 

[mikegriffith1]

"Extreme hypocrisy"? You really don't see the difference between vasectomies/viagra and the morning after pill? It's very simple: The morning after pill kills life. Vasectomies and viagra do not.

What a company chooses to cover in its health plan should be its business. If you don't like the health coverage, go find another job. No one is forced to work at Hobby Lobby.

 

[Noomi]

"Extreme hypocrisy"? You really don't see the difference between vasectomies/viagra and the morning after pill? It's very simple: The morning after pill kills life. Vasectomies and viagra do not.

What a company chooses to cover in its health plan should be its business. If you don't like the health coverage, go find another job. No one is forced to work at Hobby Lobby.

Birth control pills do not kill anything.

 

[Wyatt earp]

All this tempest in a teapot, and thanks to Obama, I have no primary health care physician now. For 3 months I have been paying insurance, already, I lose my Doctor of ten years for THIS? Oh, Birth control, Jesus. Are you kidding me, I can't even get prescriptions for long term life threatening health issues, let alone birth control. My baby making days are long gone, I have other issues to worry about. Here is a tip, girls: if you want or need birth control, don't HAVE to work at Hobby Lobby. Freedom= nobody is twisting your arm to work there. But good luck with that, the way things stand now, you might be lucky to get a boil lanced. Let alone birth control with this new VA model Obama care crap.

A ghost reader speaks up

 

[Lovebears65]

Why don't these Christian zealots have a problem with semen being imprisoned in a man's testicles after having a vasectomy? That's a lot of babies going to waste.

hobby lobby also covers 16 out of 20 birth control. They don't cover ones that will kill a baby after conception and wont let it implant..

 

[Lovebears65]

"Extreme hypocrisy"? You really don't see the difference between vasectomies/viagra and the morning after pill? It's very simple: The morning after pill kills life. Vasectomies and viagra do not.

What a company chooses to cover in its health plan should be its business. If you don't like the health coverage, go find another job. No one is forced to work at Hobby Lobby.

Birth control pills do not kill anything.

Yes, the morning after pill does kill. What the morning after pill does , is not let the egg and sperm that already met implant. To a lot of people that is an abortion because it they believe as I do life begins at conception