Hmmm...for a country with gun control, Britain has a lot of shootings....

[2aguy]

And as to the nature of the problem in Britain...
London overtaken as gun crime capital of England and Wales

And when you actually read the article....

Across England and Wales there has been a five per cent drop in gun crime in the past 12 months and the figures have nearly halved in the West Midlands since 2007/08 when there were 974 incidents.

Senior officers described the latest overall statistics as encouraging and showed that firearms are used in a very small proportion of total police recorded crime of 0.2 per cent.

If only they could be more like Tampa and its surge in gun deaths....with a rate double the previous year.

And of course you wouldn't know that the police in Britain have been hiding crime stats.......quite the scandal over there.....

If you have evidence that gun crime stats are higher in Britian, by all means provide it.

And then explain why Britain would want to be more like Tampa.....with its 'shall issue' concealed carry laws and surging gun violence rates.

here you go..

Police funding cuts blamed for rise in gun and violent crime

Labour MP Steve McCabe (Lab Selly Oak) spoke out after it emerged West Midlands Policeare dealing with more than ten gun crimes every week.

It means the West Midlands is the gun crime capital of England and Wales - for the second year running.

Official figures show the force dealt with 562 firearms offences last year.

This was up from 540 the year before.

Funny...for a country that confiscated guns and has extreme gun control for the hunting shot guns that remain....sure have a lot of gun trouble........

And where they did confiscate guns but instead expanded the authority to carry them........you not only see far more gun violence, you see a sudden surge in gun deaths:

Chief pleads for help as gun violence in Tampa surges

Chief Jane Castor highlighted the alarming surge in gun violence at a Monday news conference, calling particular attention to the youth of some of the victims, and pleading for the public's help.

"What we need is for the community to get angry about what is happening in our back yard," Castor said. "Our kids are being killed, and we've got to stop this."

If only the UK could be more like Tampa. Instead of seeing gun incidents cut by half over the years as happened in parts of the UK, they can see a surge in gun deaths too!

Sorry...after they confiscated guns there was a spike in gun crime......after the spike the level of gun crime went back to where it was before...so there was no cutting in half of gun crime in Britain...it just went back to where it was before...so after confiscating guns...they recieved no benefit from it....

 

[Skylar]

And when you actually read the article....

If only they could be more like Tampa and its surge in gun deaths....with a rate double the previous year.

And of course you wouldn't know that the police in Britain have been hiding crime stats.......quite the scandal over there.....

If you have evidence that gun crime stats are higher in Britian, by all means provide it.

And then explain why Britain would want to be more like Tampa.....with its 'shall issue' concealed carry laws and surging gun violence rates.

here you go..

Police funding cuts blamed for rise in gun and violent crime

Labour MP Steve McCabe (Lab Selly Oak) spoke out after it emerged West Midlands Policeare dealing with more than ten gun crimes every week.

It means the West Midlands is the gun crime capital of England and Wales - for the second year running.

Official figures show the force dealt with 562 firearms offences last year.

This was up from 540 the year before.

Funny...for a country that confiscated guns and has extreme gun control for the hunting shot guns that remain....sure have a lot of gun trouble........

And where they did confiscate guns but instead expanded the authority to carry them........you not only see far more gun violence, you see a sudden surge in gun deaths:

Chief pleads for help as gun violence in Tampa surges

Chief Jane Castor highlighted the alarming surge in gun violence at a Monday news conference, calling particular attention to the youth of some of the victims, and pleading for the public's help.

"What we need is for the community to get angry about what is happening in our back yard," Castor said. "Our kids are being killed, and we've got to stop this."

If only the UK could be more like Tampa. Instead of seeing gun incidents cut by half over the years as happened in parts of the UK, they can see a surge in gun deaths too!

Actually that is not true. As the studies show, allowing concealed carry lowers the crime rate.....except when the police stop doing their job because they are afraid black lies matter will ruin their lives.....

Oh, Obviously. That's why the gun death rate in Tampa surged to almost double and that girl was shot in the face.

Because concealed carry lowers crime. Right?

 

[2aguy]

And as to the nature of the problem in Britain...
London overtaken as gun crime capital of England and Wales

And when you actually read the article....

Across England and Wales there has been a five per cent drop in gun crime in the past 12 months and the figures have nearly halved in the West Midlands since 2007/08 when there were 974 incidents.

Senior officers described the latest overall statistics as encouraging and showed that firearms are used in a very small proportion of total police recorded crime of 0.2 per cent.

If only they could be more like Tampa and its surge in gun deaths....with a rate double the previous year.

And of course you wouldn't know that the police in Britain have been hiding crime stats.......quite the scandal over there.....

If you have evidence that gun crime stats are higher in Britian, by all means provide it.

And then explain why Britain would want to be more like Tampa.....with its 'shall issue' concealed carry laws and surging gun violence rates.

here you go..

Police funding cuts blamed for rise in gun and violent crime

Labour MP Steve McCabe (Lab Selly Oak) spoke out after it emerged West Midlands Policeare dealing with more than ten gun crimes every week.

It means the West Midlands is the gun crime capital of England and Wales - for the second year running.

Official figures show the force dealt with 562 firearms offences last year.

This was up from 540 the year before.

Funny...for a country that confiscated guns and has extreme gun control for the hunting shot guns that remain....sure have a lot of gun trouble........

And where they did confiscate guns but instead expanded the authority to carry them........you not only see far more gun violence, you see a sudden surge in gun deaths:

Chief pleads for help as gun violence in Tampa surges

Chief Jane Castor highlighted the alarming surge in gun violence at a Monday news conference, calling particular attention to the youth of some of the victims, and pleading for the public's help.

"What we need is for the community to get angry about what is happening in our back yard," Castor said. "Our kids are being killed, and we've got to stop this."

If only the UK could be more like Tampa. Instead of seeing gun incidents cut by half over the years as happened in parts of the UK, they can see a surge in gun deaths too!

Here is a whole state....

On Firearms, Reporting Obscures the Truth

There is no subject on which reporting is so consistently poor as firearms. Most reporters are anti-gun; as a result, even when reporting is not overtly biased it is generally so murky as to obscure rather than reveal basic facts. A case in point is this Minneapolis Star Tribune story with the ambiguous headline: “As gun-carrying permits reach historic levels in Minnesota, related crimes remain in check.” Which I guess is another way of saying that crime rates haven’t risen.

The article notes that there are now 200,000 carry permit holders in Minnesota, or around five percent of the adult population. It also points out that 19% of permit holders are women.

In Minnesota, as in a number of other states, carry laws have been liberalized by requiring local authorities to issue permits to applicants who are not disqualified by virtue of, e.g., a felony conviction.
The result has been a steep increase in the number of permit holders since the law was changed in 2003.

Whether this has been a good thing or a bad thing is what readers of the article want to know, but the Strib reporter isn’t telling:

Opponents had feared that the law would lead to a surge in shootings and gun deaths. But Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension data show that fatalities involving permit holders are rare. In the past five years, there have been five deadly or nonlethal instances of justifiable use of a firearm by permit holders.

 

[Skylar]

And look.....only 27 mass shootings in Florida last year.

Map shows 27 mass shootings in Florida during 2015

Wasn't Florida a concealed carry state?

 

[2aguy]

And of course you wouldn't know that the police in Britain have been hiding crime stats.......quite the scandal over there.....

If you have evidence that gun crime stats are higher in Britian, by all means provide it.

And then explain why Britain would want to be more like Tampa.....with its 'shall issue' concealed carry laws and surging gun violence rates.

here you go..

Police funding cuts blamed for rise in gun and violent crime

Labour MP Steve McCabe (Lab Selly Oak) spoke out after it emerged West Midlands Policeare dealing with more than ten gun crimes every week.

It means the West Midlands is the gun crime capital of England and Wales - for the second year running.

Official figures show the force dealt with 562 firearms offences last year.

This was up from 540 the year before.

Funny...for a country that confiscated guns and has extreme gun control for the hunting shot guns that remain....sure have a lot of gun trouble........

And where they did confiscate guns but instead expanded the authority to carry them........you not only see far more gun violence, you see a sudden surge in gun deaths:

Chief pleads for help as gun violence in Tampa surges

Chief Jane Castor highlighted the alarming surge in gun violence at a Monday news conference, calling particular attention to the youth of some of the victims, and pleading for the public's help.

"What we need is for the community to get angry about what is happening in our back yard," Castor said. "Our kids are being killed, and we've got to stop this."

If only the UK could be more like Tampa. Instead of seeing gun incidents cut by half over the years as happened in parts of the UK, they can see a surge in gun deaths too!

Actually that is not true. As the studies show, allowing concealed carry lowers the crime rate.....except when the police stop doing their job because they are afraid black lies matter will ruin their lives.....

Oh, Obviously. That's why the gun death rate in Tampa surged to almost double and that girl was shot in the face.

Because concealed carry lowers crime. Right?

The article notes that there are now 200,000 carry permit holders in Minnesota, or around five percent of the adult population. It also points out that 19% of permit holders are women.


In the five years ending in 2003, the homicide rate in Minnesota averaged 2.6 per 100,000. In the ten years since the law was liberalized, the rate has averaged 2.0 per 100,000, a 23% decline. Moreover, the rate has dropped further as more carry permits have been issued. In the last five years, the rate has averaged only 1.7 per 100,000, a 35% reduction compared with the 1999-2003 average.

This isn’t opinion, it is arithmetic. The liberals were wrong. Yet it is rare to see this basic fact acknowledged in news reports. The Strib says that “both sides can present statistics and reports to prove their points.” We know what the statistics are on the pro-gun side, and they appear to be conclusive. So what can the anti-gun side offer?

 

[2aguy]

And look.....only 27 mass shootings in Florida last year.

Map shows 27 mass shootings in Florida during 2015

Wasn't Florida a concealed carry state?

Sorry.....the Mass Shooting Tracker....seriously....it is a crap site......they throw in any kind of shooting they can...I have posted what they consider mass public shootings and two gang bangers at a party shooting it up over a dice game is not a mass public shooting......

Please...try harder....

 

[Skylar]

And look! Yet another mass shooting in Florida.

1 Dead, 7 Injured in Florida Strip Club Shooting

Gunfire erupted early Saturday morning inside a Tampa strip club, leaving one dead and seven injured as police hunted for answers.

1 Dead, 7 Injured in Florida Strip Club Shooting

Now I could have sworn that Florida was a concealed carry State.

 

[2aguy]

And as to the nature of the problem in Britain...
London overtaken as gun crime capital of England and Wales

And when you actually read the article....

Across England and Wales there has been a five per cent drop in gun crime in the past 12 months and the figures have nearly halved in the West Midlands since 2007/08 when there were 974 incidents.

Senior officers described the latest overall statistics as encouraging and showed that firearms are used in a very small proportion of total police recorded crime of 0.2 per cent.

If only they could be more like Tampa and its surge in gun deaths....with a rate double the previous year.

And of course you wouldn't know that the police in Britain have been hiding crime stats.......quite the scandal over there.....

If you have evidence that gun crime stats are higher in Britian, by all means provide it.

And then explain why Britain would want to be more like Tampa.....with its 'shall issue' concealed carry laws and surging gun violence rates.

here you go..

Police funding cuts blamed for rise in gun and violent crime

Labour MP Steve McCabe (Lab Selly Oak) spoke out after it emerged West Midlands Policeare dealing with more than ten gun crimes every week.

It means the West Midlands is the gun crime capital of England and Wales - for the second year running.

Official figures show the force dealt with 562 firearms offences last year.

This was up from 540 the year before.

Funny...for a country that confiscated guns and has extreme gun control for the hunting shot guns that remain....sure have a lot of gun trouble........

And where they did confiscate guns but instead expanded the authority to carry them........you not only see far more gun violence, you see a sudden surge in gun deaths:

Chief pleads for help as gun violence in Tampa surges

Chief Jane Castor highlighted the alarming surge in gun violence at a Monday news conference, calling particular attention to the youth of some of the victims, and pleading for the public's help.

"What we need is for the community to get angry about what is happening in our back yard," Castor said. "Our kids are being killed, and we've got to stop this."

If only the UK could be more like Tampa. Instead of seeing gun incidents cut by half over the years as happened in parts of the UK, they can see a surge in gun deaths too!

Perhaps they would like to see their crime rate at an all time low...

Crime rates for first half of 2015 down compared to same period last year, state data shows

Crime rates for the first half of 2015 are down in South Florida, state data shows, but reported rapes have gone up in some jurisdictions.

Data compiled by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement from local agencies show reported crimes in general are down for the first half of 2015 compared to the first half of 2014. In South Florida that rings true: Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties all saw a dip in their overall crime rate.

 

[2aguy]

And look! Yet another mass shooting in Florida.

1 Dead, 7 Injured in Florida Strip Club Shooting

Gunfire erupted early Saturday morning inside a Tampa strip club, leaving one dead and seven injured as police hunted for answers.

1 Dead, 7 Injured in Florida Strip Club Shooting

Now I could have sworn that Florida was a concealed carry State.

Since you can't see facts, the truth or reality...I will repeat the truth...


Florida Crime Down in 2014, But Murders and Rapes on Rise

The department reported the number of crimes per 100,000 residents dropped by 4.9 percent and was Florida's lowest level in 44 years.

There were 865,392 arrests made last year, down 5.1 percent from 2013.

 

[Skylar]

And look.....only 27 mass shootings in Florida last year.

Map shows 27 mass shootings in Florida during 2015

Wasn't Florida a concealed carry state?

Sorry.....the Mass Shooting Tracker....seriously....it is a crap site......they throw in any kind of shooting they can...I have posted what they consider mass public shootings and two gang bangers at a party shooting it up over a dice game is not a mass public shooting......

Please...try harder....

Oh, we already know you're committed to ignoring *anything* that contradicts your narrative. Every study, every website, every survey, anything that doesn't ape what you want to believe.

This is for those folks who aren't committed to flagrant Confirmation Bias as you are.

Oh, and look. Another mass shooting in Florida!

Second Florida Mall shooting victim dies

A man injured in a shooting outside Florida Mall Friday evening has died from his injuries, authorities said.

Second Florida Mall shooting victim dies

But isn't Florida a concealed carry state? And yet all these shootings, mass shootings, surges in murder rates in Tampa, people dying of gun shot wounds.

Huh.

You keep your eyes shut, buddy and pretend none of this happening. I'll keep providing the evidence demonstrating it is.

 

[2aguy]

And look! Yet another mass shooting in Florida.

1 Dead, 7 Injured in Florida Strip Club Shooting

Gunfire erupted early Saturday morning inside a Tampa strip club, leaving one dead and seven injured as police hunted for answers.

1 Dead, 7 Injured in Florida Strip Club Shooting

Now I could have sworn that Florida was a concealed carry State.

Hmm... do you understand what a 4.9% drop in crime being the lowest level in Florida in 44 years...that means crime is going down, not up.......please try to grow up.....acting like a 12 year old is not a good thing....

 

[2aguy]

And look.....only 27 mass shootings in Florida last year.

Map shows 27 mass shootings in Florida during 2015

Wasn't Florida a concealed carry state?

Sorry.....the Mass Shooting Tracker....seriously....it is a crap site......they throw in any kind of shooting they can...I have posted what they consider mass public shootings and two gang bangers at a party shooting it up over a dice game is not a mass public shooting......

Please...try harder....

Oh, we already know you're committed to ignoring *anything* that contradicts your narrative. Every study, every website, every survey, anything that doesn't ape what you want to believe.

This is for those folks who aren't committed to flagrant Confirmation Bias as you are.

Oh, and look. Another mass shooting in Florida!

Second Florida Mall shooting victim dies

A man injured in a shooting outside Florida Mall Friday evening has died from his injuries, authorities said.

Second Florida Mall shooting victim dies

But isn't Florida a concealed carry state? And yet all these shootings, mass shootings, surges in murder rates in Tampa, people dying of gun shot wounds.

Huh.

You keep your eyes shut, buddy and pretend none of this happening. I'll keep providing the evidence demonstrating it is.

Yes.....and those were people with concealed carry permits....? I thought not...... Criminals with guns shooting people....it would have been nice if a concealed carrier was around...they might have stopped them.

 

[2aguy]

And look.....only 27 mass shootings in Florida last year.

Map shows 27 mass shootings in Florida during 2015

Wasn't Florida a concealed carry state?

Sorry.....the Mass Shooting Tracker....seriously....it is a crap site......they throw in any kind of shooting they can...I have posted what they consider mass public shootings and two gang bangers at a party shooting it up over a dice game is not a mass public shooting......

Please...try harder....

Oh, we already know you're committed to ignoring *anything* that contradicts your narrative. Every study, every website, every survey, anything that doesn't ape what you want to believe.

This is for those folks who aren't committed to flagrant Confirmation Bias as you are.

Oh, and look. Another mass shooting in Florida!

Second Florida Mall shooting victim dies

A man injured in a shooting outside Florida Mall Friday evening has died from his injuries, authorities said.

Second Florida Mall shooting victim dies

But isn't Florida a concealed carry state? And yet all these shootings, mass shootings, surges in murder rates in Tampa, people dying of gun shot wounds.

Huh.

You keep your eyes shut, buddy and pretend none of this happening. I'll keep providing the evidence demonstrating it is.

Was the mall a gun free zone?

 

[2aguy]

And look.....only 27 mass shootings in Florida last year.

Map shows 27 mass shootings in Florida during 2015

Wasn't Florida a concealed carry state?

Sorry.....the Mass Shooting Tracker....seriously....it is a crap site......they throw in any kind of shooting they can...I have posted what they consider mass public shootings and two gang bangers at a party shooting it up over a dice game is not a mass public shooting......

Please...try harder....

Oh, we already know you're committed to ignoring *anything* that contradicts your narrative. Every study, every website, every survey, anything that doesn't ape what you want to believe.

This is for those folks who aren't committed to flagrant Confirmation Bias as you are.

Oh, and look. Another mass shooting in Florida!

Second Florida Mall shooting victim dies

A man injured in a shooting outside Florida Mall Friday evening has died from his injuries, authorities said.

Second Florida Mall shooting victim dies

But isn't Florida a concealed carry state? And yet all these shootings, mass shootings, surges in murder rates in Tampa, people dying of gun shot wounds.

Huh.

You keep your eyes shut, buddy and pretend none of this happening. I'll keep providing the evidence demonstrating it is.

Nope.....go to Mass Shooting Tracker .....read the actual stories.....and you will see that they have to include every shooting they can find to push their agenda....I have posted the stories they use....and again, gang bangers at parties shooting each other do not fit anyones definition of a mass public shooting.....

 

[Skylar]

And when you actually read the article....

If only they could be more like Tampa and its surge in gun deaths....with a rate double the previous year.

And of course you wouldn't know that the police in Britain have been hiding crime stats.......quite the scandal over there.....

If you have evidence that gun crime stats are higher in Britian, by all means provide it.

And then explain why Britain would want to be more like Tampa.....with its 'shall issue' concealed carry laws and surging gun violence rates.

here you go..

Police funding cuts blamed for rise in gun and violent crime

Labour MP Steve McCabe (Lab Selly Oak) spoke out after it emerged West Midlands Policeare dealing with more than ten gun crimes every week.

It means the West Midlands is the gun crime capital of England and Wales - for the second year running.

Official figures show the force dealt with 562 firearms offences last year.

This was up from 540 the year before.

Funny...for a country that confiscated guns and has extreme gun control for the hunting shot guns that remain....sure have a lot of gun trouble........

And where they did confiscate guns but instead expanded the authority to carry them........you not only see far more gun violence, you see a sudden surge in gun deaths:

Chief pleads for help as gun violence in Tampa surges

Chief Jane Castor highlighted the alarming surge in gun violence at a Monday news conference, calling particular attention to the youth of some of the victims, and pleading for the public's help.

"What we need is for the community to get angry about what is happening in our back yard," Castor said. "Our kids are being killed, and we've got to stop this."

If only the UK could be more like Tampa. Instead of seeing gun incidents cut by half over the years as happened in parts of the UK, they can see a surge in gun deaths too!

Perhaps they would like to see their crime rate at an all time low...

Crime rates for first half of 2015 down compared to same period last year, state data shows

Crime rates for the first half of 2015 are down in South Florida, state data shows, but reported rapes have gone up in some jurisdictions.

Data compiled by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement from local agencies show reported crimes in general are down for the first half of 2015 compared to the first half of 2014. In South Florida that rings true: Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties all saw a dip in their overall crime rate.

While gun deaths experienced a surge in Tampa to twice their 2014;

Chief pleads for help as gun violence in Tampa surges

Twice as many people have been shot to death in Tampa in 2015 than in the first three months of last year. Some of the victims have been students in local schools. In a number of cases, witnesses have refused to cooperate with police.

Chief pleads for help as gun violence in Tampa surges

I thought that wasn't supposed to happen under concealed carry?

 

[2aguy]

And look.....only 27 mass shootings in Florida last year.

Map shows 27 mass shootings in Florida during 2015

Wasn't Florida a concealed carry state?

Sorry.....the Mass Shooting Tracker....seriously....it is a crap site......they throw in any kind of shooting they can...I have posted what they consider mass public shootings and two gang bangers at a party shooting it up over a dice game is not a mass public shooting......

Please...try harder....

Oh, we already know you're committed to ignoring *anything* that contradicts your narrative. Every study, every website, every survey, anything that doesn't ape what you want to believe.

This is for those folks who aren't committed to flagrant Confirmation Bias as you are.

Oh, and look. Another mass shooting in Florida!

Second Florida Mall shooting victim dies

A man injured in a shooting outside Florida Mall Friday evening has died from his injuries, authorities said.

Second Florida Mall shooting victim dies

But isn't Florida a concealed carry state? And yet all these shootings, mass shootings, surges in murder rates in Tampa, people dying of gun shot wounds.

Huh.

You keep your eyes shut, buddy and pretend none of this happening. I'll keep providing the evidence demonstrating it is.

Funny how you have to hide the gun crimes in Britain....they have absolute gun control.......extreme gun control laws....and they still have shootings...everything you guys want and they have a rising gun crime rate...

And the U.S.....

in 2012, 11.1 million Americans carried guns for self defense...and the gun murder rate went down, not up.

ruins your meme.....

in 2013....12.8 million Americans carried guns for self defense...and the gun murder rate went down, not up...again.

Ruins your meme again....

in 2014...13 million Americans carried guns for self defense...and the gun murder rate went down, not up...again.

Ruins your whole point

The violent crime rate in the United States has gone down, not up...steadily since the 1990s as more Americans started carrying guns for self defense.....and this isn't even a discussion of wether or not that helped to lower the crime rate...which it did...

What it shows is that you are wrong......as more Americans carry guns for self defense...the gun crime rate has gone down, not up....which means, for someone as slow as you are......that allowing normal, law abiding citizens to own and carry guns does not increase the crime rate or the gun murder rate....

On top of that, actual studies show that concealed carry permit holders are more law abiding than non permit holding citizens and even more law abiding than sworn police officers...

So not one thing you believe or post about is true......actual facts, the actual truth and for that matter reality show you are wrong on all of your points........

 

[2aguy]

And of course you wouldn't know that the police in Britain have been hiding crime stats.......quite the scandal over there.....

If you have evidence that gun crime stats are higher in Britian, by all means provide it.

And then explain why Britain would want to be more like Tampa.....with its 'shall issue' concealed carry laws and surging gun violence rates.

here you go..

Police funding cuts blamed for rise in gun and violent crime

Labour MP Steve McCabe (Lab Selly Oak) spoke out after it emerged West Midlands Policeare dealing with more than ten gun crimes every week.

It means the West Midlands is the gun crime capital of England and Wales - for the second year running.

Official figures show the force dealt with 562 firearms offences last year.

This was up from 540 the year before.

Funny...for a country that confiscated guns and has extreme gun control for the hunting shot guns that remain....sure have a lot of gun trouble........

And where they did confiscate guns but instead expanded the authority to carry them........you not only see far more gun violence, you see a sudden surge in gun deaths:

Chief pleads for help as gun violence in Tampa surges

Chief Jane Castor highlighted the alarming surge in gun violence at a Monday news conference, calling particular attention to the youth of some of the victims, and pleading for the public's help.

"What we need is for the community to get angry about what is happening in our back yard," Castor said. "Our kids are being killed, and we've got to stop this."

If only the UK could be more like Tampa. Instead of seeing gun incidents cut by half over the years as happened in parts of the UK, they can see a surge in gun deaths too!

Perhaps they would like to see their crime rate at an all time low...

Crime rates for first half of 2015 down compared to same period last year, state data shows

Crime rates for the first half of 2015 are down in South Florida, state data shows, but reported rapes have gone up in some jurisdictions.

Data compiled by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement from local agencies show reported crimes in general are down for the first half of 2015 compared to the first half of 2014. In South Florida that rings true: Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties all saw a dip in their overall crime rate.

While gun deaths experienced a surge in Tampa to twice their 2014;

Chief pleads for help as gun violence in Tampa surges

Twice as many people have been shot to death in Tampa in 2015 than in the first three months of last year. Some of the victims have been students in local schools. In a number of cases, witnesses have refused to cooperate with police.

Chief pleads for help as gun violence in Tampa surges

I thought that wasn't supposed to happen under concealed carry?

Again...

And keep in mind... a record number of people in Florida now have carry permits....and the crime rate went down...not up....


Florida Crime Down in 2014, But Murders and Rapes on Rise

The department reported the number of crimes per 100,000 residents dropped by 4.9 percent and was Florida's lowest level in 44 years.

There were 865,392 arrests made last year, down 5.1 percent from 2013.



Crime rates for first half of 2015 down compared to same period last year, state data shows

Crime rates for the first half of 2015 are down in South Florida, state data shows, but reported rapes have gone up in some jurisdictions.

Data compiled by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement from local agencies show reported crimes in general are down for the first half of 2015 compared to the first half of 2014. In South Florida that rings true: Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties all saw a dip in their overall crime rate.[/QUOTE]

 

[2aguy]

And of course you wouldn't know that the police in Britain have been hiding crime stats.......quite the scandal over there.....

If you have evidence that gun crime stats are higher in Britian, by all means provide it.

And then explain why Britain would want to be more like Tampa.....with its 'shall issue' concealed carry laws and surging gun violence rates.

here you go..

Police funding cuts blamed for rise in gun and violent crime

Labour MP Steve McCabe (Lab Selly Oak) spoke out after it emerged West Midlands Policeare dealing with more than ten gun crimes every week.

It means the West Midlands is the gun crime capital of England and Wales - for the second year running.

Official figures show the force dealt with 562 firearms offences last year.

This was up from 540 the year before.

Funny...for a country that confiscated guns and has extreme gun control for the hunting shot guns that remain....sure have a lot of gun trouble........

And where they did confiscate guns but instead expanded the authority to carry them........you not only see far more gun violence, you see a sudden surge in gun deaths:

Chief pleads for help as gun violence in Tampa surges

Chief Jane Castor highlighted the alarming surge in gun violence at a Monday news conference, calling particular attention to the youth of some of the victims, and pleading for the public's help.

"What we need is for the community to get angry about what is happening in our back yard," Castor said. "Our kids are being killed, and we've got to stop this."

If only the UK could be more like Tampa. Instead of seeing gun incidents cut by half over the years as happened in parts of the UK, they can see a surge in gun deaths too!

Perhaps they would like to see their crime rate at an all time low...

Crime rates for first half of 2015 down compared to same period last year, state data shows

Crime rates for the first half of 2015 are down in South Florida, state data shows, but reported rapes have gone up in some jurisdictions.

Data compiled by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement from local agencies show reported crimes in general are down for the first half of 2015 compared to the first half of 2014. In South Florida that rings true: Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties all saw a dip in their overall crime rate.

While gun deaths experienced a surge in Tampa to twice their 2014;

Chief pleads for help as gun violence in Tampa surges

Twice as many people have been shot to death in Tampa in 2015 than in the first three months of last year. Some of the victims have been students in local schools. In a number of cases, witnesses have refused to cooperate with police.

Chief pleads for help as gun violence in Tampa surges

I thought that wasn't supposed to happen under concealed carry?

Yes...from 7-15.........

again.....


Florida Crime Down in 2014, But Murders and Rapes on Rise

The department reported the number of crimes per 100,000 residents dropped by 4.9 percent and was Florida's lowest level in 44 years.

There were 865,392 arrests made last year, down 5.1 percent from 2013.



Crime rates for first half of 2015 down compared to same period last year, state data shows

Crime rates for the first half of 2015 are down in South Florida, state data shows, but reported rapes have gone up in some jurisdictions.

Data compiled by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement from local agencies show reported crimes in general are down for the first half of 2015 compared to the first half of 2014. In South Florida that rings true: Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties all saw a dip in their overall crime rate


And gun crime in Britain...where they confiscated guns....up 4% this year.........

 

[2aguy]

And look.....only 27 mass shootings in Florida last year.

Map shows 27 mass shootings in Florida during 2015

Wasn't Florida a concealed carry state?

See.....this is a lie.....mass shootings are individuals going to a public place and shooting the people they find there...not gang hits....like this one..

From mass shooting tracker

Deputies: One person killed, three others shot during a home invasion robbery in Lakeland

LAKELAND, Fla. - Polk County deputies say a man was killed and three others shot during a home invasion robbery Sunday night.

According to the Sheriff's Office, just before 9:00 p.m. two armed black men arrived at the home at 7665 Chase Road and attempted to rob the home's occupants.


The two suspects fired multiple shots, hitting the four victims.

Witnesses told detectives multiple people had weapons pointed at them, but only four victims were shot.

Kody Zawalski, 20, died at the scene. Paramedics transported three other victims to Lakeland Regional Medical Center. Two are in critical condition; the third suffered only minor injuries.

Polk County detectives do not believe the crime is a random act, but that the home was targeted by the suspects.

Hey...but thanks for showing that the anti gunners have to lie to push their agenda........you guys don't have the truth, the facts or reality to work with.....so you have to lie.......

 

[2aguy]

And look! Yet another mass shooting in Florida.

1 Dead, 7 Injured in Florida Strip Club Shooting

Gunfire erupted early Saturday morning inside a Tampa strip club, leaving one dead and seven injured as police hunted for answers.

1 Dead, 7 Injured in Florida Strip Club Shooting

Now I could have sworn that Florida was a concealed carry State.

And look.....this is not a mass shooting by anyones definition....but the Mass Shooting Tracker puts it in their database because if they don't...the actual number of mass public shootings in 2015 was a grand total of 4....according to Mother Jones........a left wing, anti gun magazine...

Four shot outside Carmine’s restaurant in Ybor City

According to a news release from Tampa police, “The victims and witnesses have not been cooperative with police in providing details as to what prefaced the incident.”

“We would like to clarify the shootings took place on the outside patio next door to Carmine’s Restaurant Ybor. Carmine’s Restaurant was not open during the incident.”