History shows Religion is the only force against totalitarian state domination of your entire being

[Libby von H]

No where in this right to freedom of religion does it say you can use YOUR religion to lie to, abuse or presecute those who don't believe as you do, or to force them to obey YOUR religious laws.

Your right to believe that being gay is wrong, ends when you start telling gay people how to live their lives, or to deny them service or heap abuse on them. They have the same right to freedom from abuse and hatred as YOU do.

Typical of you to make gay only mean those who commit homosexual acts !! Sane people will shun you as perverted.

GAY SEX IS PERVERTED,the main view of the world for several thousand years. Don't make that religion ,it only makes your bigorty more evident

 

[Dragonlady]

Typical of you to make gay only mean those who commit homosexual acts !! Sane people will shun you as perverted.

GAY SEX IS PERVERTED,the main view of the world for several thousand years. Don't make that religion ,it only makes your bigorty more evident

And yet Gay has existed in every culture and society in the world. Gay is NOT "perverted". God MADE gays and God doesn't make mistakes.

It is natural and normal behaviour for a small subset of the population and has been since the dawn of time.

 

[BlindBoo]

That's no surprise. Historically, the RCC has been allied with the European Royalty. Fascism was created to prevent liberal, progressives & socialists from benefiting from Democracy and changing the socio-economic order that was left after the monarchs in Italy & Spain abdicated.

In Spain the Monarchists & Fascists were allies in the Spanish Civil war. The RCC sided strongly with the Fascists. The RCC even tried to beatify some spanish fascists a few years ago.

How Christian Slaveholders Used the Bible to Justify Slavery

Read an excerpt from 'The Great Stain: Witnessing American Slavery' by Noel Rae

time.com

 

[Libby von H]

And yet Gay has existed in every culture and society in the world. Gay is NOT "perverted". God MADE gays and God doesn't make mistakes.

It is natural and normal behaviour for a small subset of the population and has been since the dawn of time.

Yeah, God made child-torturers and practicers of bestiality, you dumb pervert
Lust and depravity are a cancer in your decaying ;mind

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

"opiate of the people."

keeping such agencies as government and religion, and "too big to fail" corporations at odds seems a reasonable way to adjust a few
checks and balances?"

Harvard, Yale, or Princeton? Three Branches of Poison Ivy.

The checks and balances in the ruling class's Constitution are actually ways of compounding its tyranny. It's a fight over which branch can block the will of the people the most.

 

[rampart]

Harvard, Yale, or Princeton? Three Branches of Poison Ivy.

The checks and balances in the ruling class's Constitution are actually ways of compounding its tyranny. It's a fight over which branch can block the will of the people the most.

i believe that was considered a "feature" by the foun ders.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

How Christian Slaveholders Used the Bible to Justify Slavery

Read an excerpt from 'The Great Stain: Witnessing American Slavery' by Noel Rae

time.com

"Masters According to Flesh" = Nepos

Those passages can also be used to justify what Northern businessmen were doing to their wage-slaves.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

i believe that was considered a "feature" by the foun ders.

Stomping-Feet Feature

"Boot is truth, truth is boot—that is all ewe know on earth, and all ewe need to know."

 

[Libby von H]

No, im a wretch who falls in the ditch all the time.

Read Julian of Norwich's Servant and the Lord (he falls in a ditch and feels a wretch)

 

[Libby von H]

This is kind of redundant this is.

Actually that is a cognate object, used by the best of writers





cog·nate ob·ject
GRAMMAR

1. a direct object that has the same linguistic derivation as the verb that governs it, as in “sing a song,” “live a good life.”.
2. 
   
   
   

 

[Libby von H]

Unless of course, that religion also gets secular powers and becomes a theocracy, e.g., Iran today or Medieval Spain.

THe same people are citizens that are members of a religion, If your point is that there is no guaranteed happy ending to doing things the right way,, I agree. But the opposite problem is the historical default by about 100-to-1

"
Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades.

It's time to abandon the mindlessly repeated mantra that religious belief has been the greatest source of human conflict and violence. Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history."

 

[surada]

But you aren't

When Faith Meets Fascism

Producer Rob Reiner and director Dan Partland discuss the rise of Christian nationalism and their new film God & Country.

www.thenation.com

 

[surada]

Why do you think the current Pope gives sermons on the evils of global warming and building walls, while seemingly ignoring abortion on demand around the world or promotion of the gospel?

It is because he fears the politics of man more than he fears God.

Women have terminated unwanted pregnancies for thousands of years. Think about it.

 

[surada]

Unless of course, that religion also gets secular powers and becomes a theocracy, e.g., Iran today or Medieval Spain.

How many Holy wars can you think of??

There was the Crusades.

The Thirty Years' War began in 1617 when Ferdinand II became King of Bohemia and began reversing Protestant toleration at attempting to reclaim Protestant land for the Church.

 

[rampart]

THe same people are citizens that are members of a religion, If your point is that there is no guaranteed happy ending to doing things the right way,, I agree. But the opposite problem is the historical default by about 100-to-1

"
Whatever the motives for atheist bloodthirstiness, the indisputable fact is that all the religions of the world put together have in 2,000 years not managed to kill as many people as have been killed in the name of atheism in the past few decades.

It's time to abandon the mindlessly repeated mantra that religious belief has been the greatest source of human conflict and violence. Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history."I

i'd like to see the breakdown of people killed by "atheism" as compared to say the 30 years war or the inquisition of the maya.

i'm guessing you're referring to that "victims of communism" monument in washington?

 

[surada]

But there you desert all reality. It is you liberals that enable that.
First of all medieval Spain is just false
You are parroting the completely debunked Muslim propaganda on that

The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain​

Dario Fernandez-Morera
Scholars, journalists, and even politicians uphold Muslim-ruled medieval Spain—"al-Andalus"—as a multicultural paradise, a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived in harmony. There is only one problem with this widely accepted account: it is a myth.

Now to reality. It is a mark of Western Civilization ,of the Bible and Perennial Phillsophy LOGOS tradition that the first of all rights is Liberty of Conscience/Freedom of Religion.
Iran exists because this truth of Natural Religion is violated. Leave Islam and you are murdered.

NOw if you say the following is from Religion you lose your point but even if you don't I win because this is what our "christian' nation is built upon

"Nothing is more dreaded than the national government meddling with religion." —John Adams, in a letter to Benjamin Rush. 1812

"[T]hat the opinions of men are not the object of civil government, nor under its jurisdiction; that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency is a dangerous fallacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty." —Thomas Jefferson, 1779.


"The Religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man: and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate." —James Madison, 1785.

"Driven from every other corner of the earth, freedom of thought and the right of private judgment in matters of conscience direct their course to this happy country as their last asylum." —Samuel Adams, Speech on August 1, 1776.

"While we are contending for our own liberty, we should be very cautious not to violate the conscience of others, ever considering that God alone is the judge of the hearts of men, and to Him only in this case are they answerable." —George Washington, in a letter to Benedict Arnold.

"Conscience is the most sacred of all property." —James Madison, 1792.

Here's a partial list of religious wars.

Religion based wars


Lebanese Civil War

Crusades

Chinese conflict

French Wars of Religion

Nigeria

Palestine and Israel

Buddhist Uprising

Ethiopia

Pakistan and India

Schmalkaldic War

Taiping Rebellion
Hessian War
Religious war
Saxon wars
The Thirty Years' War
Dungan Revolt
Greek War of Independence
Then Spanish Conquests In The Americas
Wars of the Three Kingdoms

 

[rampart]

Why do you think the current Pope gives sermons on the evils of global warming and building walls, while seemingly ignoring abortion on demand around the world or promotion of the gospel?

It is because he fears the politics of man more than he fears God.

the pope foresees ("prophecies?") disruption and prays , admonishing those responsible to consider the effects and help to mitigate them?

speaking "truth to power" is one responsibility of a man of god.
read samual, read jeremiah and ezekial. it isn't the pope's job to support trump, exxon mobil , or the economic forum.

and .... francis seems to have abortion in perspective. abortion is a sin, absolvable by penance.

and the gospel? francis is a jesuit, a holy warrior sworn to promote the faith and the word of god. i am overjoyed that he emphasizes the sermon on the mount and the golden rule, the essence of christ's teachings.

 

[rampart]

Here's a partial list of religious wars.

Religion based wars


Lebanese Civil War

Crusades

Chinese conflict

French Wars of Religion

Nigeria

Palestine and Israel

Buddhist Uprising

Ethiopia

Pakistan and India

Schmalkaldic War

Taiping Rebellion
Hessian War
Religious war
Saxon wars
The Thirty Years' War
Dungan Revolt
Greek War of Independence
Then Spanish Conquests In The Americas
Wars of the Three Kingdoms

the recent irish "troubles"

the tudor prosecutions of the catholics and stewart prosecutions of protestants and every jacobite killed by cromwell's christian soldiers. (the reasons all you real americans are here to begin with.)

the heathen savages killed by the pilgrims died for religion? or for land? mere millions. count 'em or not.

 

[Votto]

Women have terminated unwanted pregnancies for thousands of years. Think about it.

Men have murdered for thousands of years.

Governments have engaged in genocidal acts for thousands of years

What is your point exactly?

 

[Votto]

the pope foresees ("prophecies?") disruption and prays , admonishing those responsible to consider the effects and help to mitigate them?

speaking "truth to power" is one responsibility of a man of god.
read samual, read jeremiah and ezekial. it isn't the pope's job to support trump, exxon mobil , or the economic forum.

and .... francis seems to have abortion in perspective. abortion is a sin, absolvable by penance.

and the gospel? francis is a jesuit, a holy warrior sworn to promote the faith and the word of god. i am overjoyed that he emphasizes the sermon on the mount and the golden rule, the essence of christ's teachings.

Truth to power?

If you led an organization that viewed abortion as genocide like the Catholic church does, what would your responsibilities then be speaking truth to power?

For example, did the Catholic church have an obligation during the Holocaust to oppose it and speak truth to power?

Yes? Of course they had an obligation to do so, but they remained silent instead.

Why? Because it was politically expedient for them to do so, because the church feared the Nazi regime more than they feared God.

And today, it is no different. The Pope essentially turns a blind eye to abortion and gives sermons on the evils of building walls and global warming because he fears the world wide political power of the Left more than he fears God.

Some things never change.

Now the last time I checked, the entire book of Nehemiah was predicated on God telling the prophet to build a wall around Jerusalem so it would be a safe place to live, but hey, maybe he was evil like the Pope seems to indicate.

As for being a prophet, the Pope is no prophet. If he is, give us some prophesies.

The Pope is nothing but a Leftist stooge who laments being at the head of an organization that condemns such things as abortion and gay sex as evil. Instead, he targets those, like Trump, who do.

Sick.

Here is your Vatican giving the Nazi salute

And here is a man that has more courage than the whole lot of them.