Historically, when has a sanction worked?

!! No, we don't, we make huge bases we call "the U.S. Embassy" and try to run the country from there with puppet emirs. For 15 or 20 years before we give up and flee overnight, like all the famous British evacuations: the last one in Afghanistan was a lot like the British evacuation of Greece in WWII, silent, at night! I remember a Brit decades ago told me his favorite quote from their 1800s war in Afghanistan ---- "they always kill the emirs." Yeah, our last puppet fled the country as fast as he could get out when the Taliban neared Kabul. We don't give them back the country, we LOSE.

We don't even fight a real war, just colonize for our own security, which doesn't work, with a shock and awe invasion and then pretending to be their newest bestest wittle friendsies. Which no one at all believes, of course. Though some people in-country try to get money and a Green Card out of it.

I understand why we don't fight a real war --- because it looks bad to be constantly defeating smaller countries and that's what Hitler did and the world gangs up on countries like that. Japan also comes to mind. We used to be big and strong (no more, obviously) but no country can stand against a world united against us. So we do these useless "humanitarian" wars with lies aplenty, and they don't work either.

I think the whole pattern just ran out; new situation coming.

Do we exert influence on other countries, especially ones we just took over? Yes. The thing you forget is if we aren't the ones exerting influence, someone else will, these countries won't just be left to their own devices.

American influence is one of the most benign types in history, less so then the English colonization of the past, but more than the current Commonwealth setup they have now.

If we aren't there, China and others would be.
 
I have no desire to repeat myself over and over. If you can't remember the conversation from 20 posts back, well........that's on you.

Actually I called you out and now you can't remember what the hell you were talking about.
 
No fighting for Poland and the Baltic if Europe cannot be bothered. Use the WW model, which worked for us: wait till the bitter end, then swoop in like Tolkien's Eagles (he was British and the Eagles definitely stand for Americans in both world wars) and snatch the allies out of the fires surrounding them. He used that image twice, one for each war.

That didn't work for Europe at Munich.

So you are saying leave NATO? That would be foolish.
 
No, they decided to do that. You can NOT do that for other people. Germany and Japan both decided to change internally.
Because they were both totally, comprehensively, decisively defeated. And if they didn't agree, we would just go on and do it some more. Our allied governments understood the lesson of WWI: to end a war, someone must agree they've been defeated, or it will not end.

No one seems to get that rather basic military point anymore.
 
complete embargo. Zero trade with Russia.

The problem is Germany is gonna run out of Natural gas, and costs for Strategic minerals is going to go through the roof unless you can convince South Africa and few other southern African countries to increase output.

Even without using Military force getting Russia to quit will require pain on the part of the rest of the world, I wonder if they/we are willing to put up with that.
How much do we trade with Russia?
 
Because they were both totally, comprehensively, decisively defeated. And if they didn't agree, we would just go on and do it some more. Our allied governments understood the lesson of WWI: to end a war, someone must agree they've been defeated, or it will not end.

No one seems to get that rather basic military point anymore.

They ignore Clausewitz, and the concept that victory can only be achieved once the cause of the conflict is resolved.
 
Because they were both totally, comprehensively, decisively defeated. And if they didn't agree, we would just go on and do it some more. Our allied governments understood the lesson of WWI: to end a war, someone must agree they've been defeated, or it will not end.

No one seems to get that rather basic military point anymore.

That the world decided to continue to stomp on Germany is why Hitler was able to come into power. People with nothing to lose are the real dangerous people.
 
NATO was, and is, an outdated notion, it’s existence and and expansion is the cause of this issue. No interest vital to the US is harmed by whatever happens in those places.

Plenty of US vital interest are harmed, this isn't the 1800's where we can hide behind our Oceans.
 
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Those would be what? Their critical exports of video porn? Their vital shipping points?

No country can act alone or keep a modern economy running alone anymore. Russia and South Africa contain most of the strategic minerals required for modern society. let Russia take over Europe, and they can deny their minerals to us, and stop us from getting them from South Africa.

Want to go back to the early 1900's? That's what would happen.
 
How about putting 100,000 US soldiers on their border? Do you honestly think Putin would have attacked if that was the case?

He should have. We would if someone did that to us.
 
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