Ok. I'd like to be treated like a dhimmi, to sexual slavery, to car bombing attacks to ''honor'' killings and similar loveliness. Are you suggesting I should impose that on Pallys?
‘Historic Palestine’ – A Misleading Anachronism
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Ok. I'd like to be treated like a dhimmi, to sexual slavery, to car bombing attacks to ''honor'' killings and similar loveliness. Are you suggesting I should impose that on Pallys?
The Zionists got off on the wrong foot in 1920.. They were all Socialists or Bolsheviks .. They mistreated and demonized the Palestinian Muslims and Christians even back then..
The Zionists formed their terror gangs in the 1920s and they ridiculed Arab culture. They were a disaster to the extent that the Palestinian Jews organized to stop the huge migrations from Europe by 1922.
Clearly by 1930 they desperately needed sanctuary, but they botched it with their treatment of the indigenous population..
You'd think with the persecution they had suffered in Europe and Russia they would have known better.
It seems your complaints should be directed to the UN for an investigation.
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As a regional designation. It was not a nation, nor was there any ethnic group so identified. It's like "Anatolia". Is there an "Anatolian people"?
If I'd have spoken of a "Palestinian" in 1910, likely it would have been thought I was referring to a Jew.
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It is hardly reasonable to characterize Zionist behavior in Mandatory Palestine as being in any way like what Jews endured in Europe. That starts to drift into Marjorie Taylor Greene territory.
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Every word you have written you got from some Arab, etc source.
None of what you wrote is true.
The Jews were only forced into "terrorism" because the British did not protect their Mandate for Palestine to re construct their Nation ON their ancient homeland, and the Arabs were sadly guided by a violent Muslim clan, that of the Husseini's.
Some of your dates are wrong, and the description you give of the Indigenous Jews returning to their homeland, is also wrong.
The Jews are the only indigenous people of the ancient Land of Canaan, you accept that or not.
All you repeat, was written or said ONLY after the Arabs were not able to destroy Israel in 1948.
Christianity has appropriated the Jewish saying of "Do onto others", but not once have Christians, and much less Muslims, have ever lived by that quote when it comes to Jews.
You would never want the Jews to do onto others as it has been done unto them. And they DO NOT.
The proof of it is the over 2 Million Arabs and other non Jews who live in Israel, who would not want to live anywhere else, and the quality of life they enjoy, which they cannot find in ONE Arab or Muslim Country.
Sorry , NO ARAB Sources.
Remember the Zionists killed over 500 British Peacekeepers. The Brits couldn't wait to get out of Palestine.
You've never lived in ANY Arab country, have you? You haven't even visited like a tourist.
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The Poor, Poor British you are crying about went back on their word ONLY to the Mandate for Palestine, because it was for the Jewish People.
All other 3 Mandates were for Muslim States, and not one of them were "robbed" of the land where the countries of Syria, Lebanon or Iraq were to emerge from.
The British GAVE a foreign people, the Hashemites, 78% of the Jewish homeland from the mandate for Palestine.
The REST, the British meant to keep for themselves and never let the Jews reconstruct their Nation ON their ancient homeland.
Sooooo, your POOR, POOR, POOR British were not protecting or fighting to HONOR their duty to administer the Mandate for Palestine until the Jews were ready to call it a Nation, as it happened in 1948.
Those POOR, POOR, POOR British gave in to the Arab violence every time and almost put an end to the Jewish Immigration to their ancient homeland.
Peacekeepers keep the peace. The British were not about keeping the peace so that the Jewish People could move on reconstructing their Nation ON their ancient Homeland.
Giving in to violence by the Arabs is what forced the Jews to not only defend themselves against the Arabs, but the need to make the British LEAVE their land, and put an end to the Mandate the British had so greatly dishonored so far.
One more thing, all the Jews coming from Europe, they had moved to areas in Europe and Asia long before the 1st Temple was destroyed, when the Greeks came, when the Romans came, when the Romans destroyed the 2nd Temple and many other times, as most people have always done.
SO. To say that those Jews are really European and not descendants of indigenous people from Ancient Canaan/ Israel is just another attempt by Jew haters to delegitimize how Israel came to be.
Israel REALLY came to be because there were too many pogroms on Jews both in Europe and Asia,
and some Jews finally realized that they HAD TO rebuild their Nation ON their ancient homeland, in order to have where Jews could flee to and feel protected from the Christian and Muslim hateful ideologies where Jews are worth nothing and can be done to as any Christian or Muslim pleases.
Keep not accepting the facts above as I am posting them. That is on you and nobody else.
There was no UN. It was the League of Nations. Truman later regretted his decision according to his correspondence with Eleanor Roosevelt.
He lamented that the Bullied had become bullies.
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I would like to see a link to that correspondence
You're free launch you're own, personal gee-had to resurrsect the caliphate.
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Except that Truman never said those words, the way you are trying to portray them.
He hoped for a resolution of the conflict, but to turn against Israel....that he did not.
Was Harry Truman a Zionist?
His doubts about the Jewish and Palestinian states were prescient—and forgotten.
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Question :
When India turned against British colonialism, how many British soldiers were killed before the Government finally saw that they had to get out of India, that it did not belong to them?
How long were the Jews supposed to put up with British betrayal of the Mandate for Palestine, before they would have to start fighting the British to kick them out of the Jewish ancient Homeland?
Of course, you may never see the similarities between India and Israel, and any other territory the British wanted to hold on to, and the indigenous have had to fight against them.
Or course America is not really one such case, as it was Europeans fighting the British to make them leave after 1776.
Still looking ..I haven't seen it in years.. Truman was a terrible racist and called NYC "**** town".
Roosevelt considered him an embarrassment..
He had some ugly things to say about Negroes and Chinamen.
Trump's daughter wrote........
In her biography of her father, Margaret Truman spoke, in terms that today would be viewed as verging on anti-Semitism, of “the intense pressure which numerous Jews put on Dad from the moment he entered the White House and his increasing resentment of this pressure.” She quotes from a letter Truman sent to Eleanor Roosevelt:
I fear very much that the Jews are like all underdogs. When they get on top, they are just as intolerant and as cruel as the people were to them when they were underneath. I regret this situation very much, because my sympathy has always been on their side.78
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Where is the link to this correspondence? Or any other?
Nothing surprising that many Christians would have been taught to be against Jews, and that would include Roosevelt, who did not help save Jews during WWII, or Truman, or any other President from any country.
Saying that the Jews might becomes the bullies is not the same as the Jews actually becoming bullies, instead of simply doing what they started to do from the Mandate for Palestine on. Defend themselves and their land against the Arab Muslims and Christians who could not accept a Jewish sovereign State Anywhere in the world.
Anyone can think or say anything they like. The facts and the truth, are not dependent on those sayings but on what actually happens.
There are fewer and fewer aggressive Arab/Muslim countries against Israel exactly because they know that Israel is not a Bully country, that the Arabs living in Israel have a better life than most Arabs in Arab countries have.
Why would the Israelis turn on the British Peacekeepers? They weren't colonials.
Why did they murder Count Bernadotte? He saved 30,000 Jews from the Holocaust.
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England had decided to keep that part of the Mandate after giving 78% of the Mandate to the Hashemites who were not Jewish.
The British turned on the Jews by expelling them from Gaza in 1920, Hebron in 1929, allowing the Jews to be ethnically cleansed from TransJordan in 1925, and being right there with the Hashemites when they invaded Israel in May of 1948 and helped the Hashemite take all of Judea and Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem and ethnically cleanse the Jewish population from those areas as well.
The Mandate for Palestine was not supposed to be a British colonial enterprise, but that is exactly what it became from 1920 on, in the mind of the British government, especially as they had lost India.
Bernadotte was murdered by extremists. Every war has its extremists. It was a war, and the British were mainly on the side of the Arabs.
Below is Bernadotte's plan which the Arabs did not accept, and the Jews could not accept:
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June 11, Bernadotte succeeded in arranging a 30-day cease-fire. After visiting Cairo, Beirut, Amman and Tel Aviv, he came to the conclusion that the UN partition plan was an “unfortunate” resolution and proposed his own plan to unite the two feuding peoples. Instead of establishing individual states, he suggested that Arabs and Jews form a “union” consisting of a small Jewish entity and an enlarged Transjordan. Haifa and Lydda (Lod) airport would become free zones. Israel would receive the Western Galilee and unlimited immigration for two years, after which the UN would take control of the issue. Between 250,000 and 300,000 Arab refugees would be permitted to return to Arab territory with compensation and Transjordan would control the Negev and, despite Israeli claims, Jerusalem.
Modern History of Israel: The Assassination of Count Bernadotte
LEHI assassinated UN peace mediator Folke Bernadotte because of his efforts to force Israel to give up territory it captured after the Arabs invaded.
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1) The British get the Mandates for Iraq and Palestine, but it is only the Mandate for Palestine they did not work on implementing, as it was for the Jewish People.
2) While administering the Mandate for Iraq, the British allowed an Arab riot to take place in June of 1941 against Iraqi Jews. Why?
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It comes as no surprise, then, that in his memoirs the mufti blamed the Iraqi Jews for the failure of the pro-Nazi “revolution” (which in turn forced him to flee to Tehran, whence he came to Berlin where he spent the rest of the war years), thus implicitly justifying the Farhoud. As he wrote:
The Farhoud Remembered
Seventy-six years after the mass massacre of the Baghdad Jews, in which the then-leader of the Palestinian Arabs, Hajj Amin Husseini, was deeply involved, his heirs to the Palestinian leadership still
besacenter.org
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The British did nothing to stop what happened to the Jews of Iraq. Why?
There is a pattern here.
Mandate for Palestine = a Jewish State = not important = We can do whatever we want and take as much as we want
Mandate for Iraq = Jews are attacked by Arabs via the previous Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in 1941 = British inertia, nothing done.
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"To Britain's shame, the army was stood down," says historian Tony Rocca, co-author with Farhud survivor Violette Samash of the book, Memories of Eden."
"Sir Kinahan Cornwallis, Britain's ambassador in Baghdad, for reasons of his own, held our forces at bay in direct insubordination to express orders from Winston Churchill that they should take the city and secure its safety. Instead, Sir Kinahan went back to his residence had a candlelight dinner and played a game of bridge."
Farhud memories: Baghdad's 1941 slaughter of the Jews
On 1 June 1941, a Nazi-inspired pogrom erupted in Baghdad. Jewish children who witnessed the bloodshed recall the events 70 years later
www.bbc.com
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Anti-Jews British. Nothing new.
The British, always colonizing, always shutting their eyes when it comes to Jews being attacked.
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(One thing is for sure. Non Jews in Israel are not being treated the way Jews were treated in Muslim countries.
And let us make clear, that the countries and territories around Israel today, have zero or nearly zero Jews living on those land.)
Therefore, one should never tell the Jewish People to treat others the way they were treated in the Muslim world for the past 1400 years.
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The Dhimmi
Violence Against Jews
Jews in Islamic Countries: The Treatment of Jews
A brief history of the treatment of Jews in Arab countries.www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org
There haven't been any Dhimmis for 200 years.. and their taxes was less than what Muslims paid,
Meanwhile, Arabic speaking Jews in Arab countries were quite prosperous.
Do you ever stop playing victim?
England had decided to keep that part of the Mandate after giving 78% of the Mandate to the Hashemites who were not Jewish.
The British turned on the Jews by expelling them from Gaza in 1920, Hebron in 1929, allowing the Jews to be ethnically cleansed from TransJordan in 1925, and being right there with the Hashemites when they invaded Israel in May of 1948 and helped the Hashemite take all of Judea and Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem and ethnically cleanse the Jewish population from those areas as well.
The Mandate for Palestine was not supposed to be a British colonial enterprise, but that is exactly what it became from 1920 on, in the mind of the British government, especially as they had lost India.
Bernadotte was murdered by extremists. Every war has its extremists. It was a war, and the British were mainly on the side of the Arabs.
Below is Bernadotte's plan which the Arabs did not accept, and the Jews could not accept:
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June 11, Bernadotte succeeded in arranging a 30-day cease-fire. After visiting Cairo, Beirut, Amman and Tel Aviv, he came to the conclusion that the UN partition plan was an “unfortunate” resolution and proposed his own plan to unite the two feuding peoples. Instead of establishing individual states, he suggested that Arabs and Jews form a “union” consisting of a small Jewish entity and an enlarged Transjordan. Haifa and Lydda (Lod) airport would become free zones. Israel would receive the Western Galilee and unlimited immigration for two years, after which the UN would take control of the issue. Between 250,000 and 300,000 Arab refugees would be permitted to return to Arab territory with compensation and Transjordan would control the Negev and, despite Israeli claims, Jerusalem.
Modern History of Israel: The Assassination of Count Bernadotte
LEHI assassinated UN peace mediator Folke Bernadotte because of his efforts to force Israel to give up territory it captured after the Arabs invaded.
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1) The British get the Mandates for Iraq and Palestine, but it is only the Mandate for Palestine they did not work on implementing, as it was for the Jewish People.
2) While administering the Mandate for Iraq, the British allowed an Arab riot to take place in June of 1941 against Iraqi Jews. Why?
----------------------
It comes as no surprise, then, that in his memoirs the mufti blamed the Iraqi Jews for the failure of the pro-Nazi “revolution” (which in turn forced him to flee to Tehran, whence he came to Berlin where he spent the rest of the war years), thus implicitly justifying the Farhoud. As he wrote:
The Farhoud Remembered
Seventy-six years after the mass massacre of the Baghdad Jews, in which the then-leader of the Palestinian Arabs, Hajj Amin Husseini, was deeply involved, his heirs to the Palestinian leadership still
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The British did nothing to stop what happened to the Jews of Iraq. Why?
There is a pattern here.
Mandate for Palestine = a Jewish State = not important = We can do whatever we want and take as much as we want
Mandate for Iraq = Jews are attacked by Arabs via the previous Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in 1941 = British inertia, nothing done.
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"To Britain's shame, the army was stood down," says historian Tony Rocca, co-author with Farhud survivor Violette Samash of the book, Memories of Eden."
"Sir Kinahan Cornwallis, Britain's ambassador in Baghdad, for reasons of his own, held our forces at bay in direct insubordination to express orders from Winston Churchill that they should take the city and secure its safety. Instead, Sir Kinahan went back to his residence had a candlelight dinner and played a game of bridge."
Farhud memories: Baghdad's 1941 slaughter of the Jews
On 1 June 1941, a Nazi-inspired pogrom erupted in Baghdad. Jewish children who witnessed the bloodshed recall the events 70 years later
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Anti-Jews British. Nothing new.
The British, always colonizing, always shutting their eyes when it comes to Jews being attacked.
The Jews of Iran, Iraq, Morocco, Libya, Syria and Yemen would still be there if not for European Zionists. As it turns out they left in 1948-56-67- 73. That's what the Zionists wanted.
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TERRORISM, THE BEGINNING
Who were the first “terrorist’s” coining the term-?
Terrorist
a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
ter·ror·ism
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Definitions from Oxford Languages
FIRST ACTS OF TERRORISM, COINING THE PHRASE
November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem,.,.,killing or injuring more than 200 persons.
October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.
September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)
December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.
December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.
December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.
December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa ; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.
December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.
January 5, 1948. The Arab-owned Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem was blown up, killing 20 persons.
January 16, 1948. Zionists blew up three Arab buildings. In the first, 8 children between the ages of 18 months and 12 years, died.
February 15, 1948. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blew up several houses, killing 11 Arabs, including 4 children.
March 3, 1948. Heavy damage was done to the Arab-owned Salam building in Haifa by Zionists who drove an army lorry ( truck) up to the building and escaped before the detonation of 400 Ib. of explosives; casualties numbered 11 Arabs and 3 Armenians killed and 23 injured.
March 22, 1948. A housing block in Iraq Street in Haifa was blown up killing 17 and injuring 100 others. Four members of the Stern Gang drove two truck-loads of explosives into the street and abandoned the vehicles before the explosion.
March 31, 1948. The Cairo-Haifa Express was mined, for the second time in a month, by an electronically-detonated land mine near Benyamina, killing 40 persons and wounding 60 others.
April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
April 19, 1948. Fourteen Arabs were killed in a house in Tiberias, which was blown up by Zionist terrorists.
May 3, 1948. A book bomb addressed to a British Army officer, who had been stationed in Palestine exploded, killing his brother, Rex Farran.
May11, 1948. A letter bomb addressed to Sir Evelyn Barker, former Commanding Officer in Palestine, was detected in the nick of time by his wife.
Above is not the end of this tragic story, it just marks the beginning.
Google stern gang
Do you see the above as acts of terrorism?
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