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27.7% of guns used in crimes were sold by legally licensed FFL's....
I don't see how ANYONE can not view this as a REAL and JUSTIFIED problem?
Hillary Clinton urges moderate gun owners to take on the NRA
Are there any moderate gun owners, are all they all Texas rednecks?
It strikes me all gun owners are right wing madmen
Hmmm, I am a right wing mad man?
No, I live in Texas and own two shotguns, and I am a responsible gun owner. One Shotgun is for hunting Duck, Boar, and wild game and the other is for land protection.
My one shotgun is in a locked closet and come out during hunting season while the other is on a rack where i can grab it quickly.
My shotguns are never loaded but both have a sleeve to hold shells that can be loaded quickly.
So what part of what I have is not reasonable to you?
Do you believe someone like me should not be allow to hunt?
How about protecting my land against wild dogs?
I find it strange that those like you believe there is no reasonable gun owners and believe everyone that own a gun is some lunatic...
Most of us who support gun control measures do not see gun owners as you self report to be the problem. And most of us responsible supporters of rational gun laws do not support the repeal of the 2nd A. We want people properly vetted.
I for one want to see all gun owners licensed and all guns registered on a State by State basis. Let Texas do what they want, and allow California citizens to vote to license and register or not.
In fact I'd grandfather in all current gun owners and not require that they be licensed or register their guns, the only restriction being they could only sell their gun to a licensed person or dealer, and could only buy an additional gun or guns if they became licensed and registered their new gun along with those already owned by them.
So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?
Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.
Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?
Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.
You are incorrect!
You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.
Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.
You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!
Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License
Hmmm, I am a right wing mad man?
No, I live in Texas and own two shotguns, and I am a responsible gun owner. One Shotgun is for hunting Duck, Boar, and wild game and the other is for land protection.
My one shotgun is in a locked closet and come out during hunting season while the other is on a rack where i can grab it quickly.
My shotguns are never loaded but both have a sleeve to hold shells that can be loaded quickly.
So what part of what I have is not reasonable to you?
Do you believe someone like me should not be allow to hunt?
How about protecting my land against wild dogs?
I find it strange that those like you believe there is no reasonable gun owners and believe everyone that own a gun is some lunatic...
Most of us who support gun control measures do not see gun owners as you self report to be the problem. And most of us responsible supporters of rational gun laws do not support the repeal of the 2nd A. We want people properly vetted.
I for one want to see all gun owners licensed and all guns registered on a State by State basis. Let Texas do what they want, and allow California citizens to vote to license and register or not.
In fact I'd grandfather in all current gun owners and not require that they be licensed or register their guns, the only restriction being they could only sell their gun to a licensed person or dealer, and could only buy an additional gun or guns if they became licensed and registered their new gun along with those already owned by them.
So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?
Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.
Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?
Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.
You are incorrect!
You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.
Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.
You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!
Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License
i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.
Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.
I cannot fathom why Hillary even opened her mouth. Doesn't she realize that many of the Democrat party are NRA members and avid hunters? I also cannot fathom why Obama, who is supposed to be the leader of the Democrat Party, opted to use executive order to infuriate a whole bunch of voters. He could easily have simply done nothing and eased on out of office. His action will cause some who were sitting on the fence to vote against Hillary especially since she has decided to enter the fray as well. There are an awful lot of Democrats and Independents who are heavily into guns. To me, it's a stupid political move on both Obama's and Hillary's part.
It's a principled move and every Democrat understands that there are many Americans who are single issue voters. But not every gun owner who heard what with The President or HRC said consider their remarks are unreasonable or irrational.
You claim hunters will lose their rights to own a hunting rifle, that claim is not substantiated by anything said by Obama or Clinton!
Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.
Why should I have to move to exercise my rights?
Segregation was "the law" as well, I guess MLK just should have deferred to the government and let them get away with it......
You haven't answered the question either, why should I have to wait 3-6 months and pay $1000 to get a pistol permit?
OK, so be like MLK and start making speeches and get thousands of others who believe as do you to march on DC. A million gun owners at the mall singing we will overcome, and you making an I have a dream speech where one day my little children can bring an AR-15 to second grade show and tell.
Go for it, be a leader!
I cannot fathom why Hillary even opened her mouth. Doesn't she realize that many of the Democrat party are NRA members and avid hunters? I also cannot fathom why Obama, who is supposed to be the leader of the Democrat Party, opted to use executive order to infuriate a whole bunch of voters. He could easily have simply done nothing and eased on out of office. His action will cause some who were sitting on the fence to vote against Hillary especially since she has decided to enter the fray as well. There are an awful lot of Democrats and Independents who are heavily into guns. To me, it's a stupid political move on both Obama's and Hillary's part.
It's a principled move and every Democrat understands that there are many Americans who are single issue voters. But not every gun owner who heard what with The President or HRC said consider their remarks are unreasonable or irrational.
You claim hunters will lose their rights to own a hunting rifle, that claim is not substantiated by anything said by Obama or Clinton!
Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.
Why should I have to move to exercise my rights?
Segregation was "the law" as well, I guess MLK just should have deferred to the government and let them get away with it......
You haven't answered the question either, why should I have to wait 3-6 months and pay $1000 to get a pistol permit?
OK, so be like MLK and start making speeches and get thousands of others who believe as do you to march on DC. A million gun owners at the mall singing we will overcome, and you making an I have a dream speech where one day my little children can bring an AR-15 to second grade show and tell.
Go for it, be a leader!
Apparently you can't read. Nowhere did I state that hunters would lose any rights. Do you have these spells of dementia often?
Post 118, "I cannot fathom why Hillary even opened her mouth. Doesn't she realize that many of the Democrat party are NRA members and avid hunters?"
The implication being that hunter's are effected by the EO. Why would you include them if it were not an effort to pass on propaganda?
No. I simply stated a fact. You can't accept the fact that many Democrats are gun owners? I hate to break it to you but they really are. Now, since you brought it up and I didn't, many hunters do sell a firearm or two every now and again. A hunter, Democrat or Republican, might own a .243 and is not happy with it and wants to sell it to another hunter, Democrat or Republican, so he can then purchase a .270 or another rifle. It happens. Get real.
Hmmm, I am a right wing mad man?
No, I live in Texas and own two shotguns, and I am a responsible gun owner. One Shotgun is for hunting Duck, Boar, and wild game and the other is for land protection.
My one shotgun is in a locked closet and come out during hunting season while the other is on a rack where i can grab it quickly.
My shotguns are never loaded but both have a sleeve to hold shells that can be loaded quickly.
So what part of what I have is not reasonable to you?
Do you believe someone like me should not be allow to hunt?
How about protecting my land against wild dogs?
I find it strange that those like you believe there is no reasonable gun owners and believe everyone that own a gun is some lunatic...
Most of us who support gun control measures do not see gun owners as you self report to be the problem. And most of us responsible supporters of rational gun laws do not support the repeal of the 2nd A. We want people properly vetted.
I for one want to see all gun owners licensed and all guns registered on a State by State basis. Let Texas do what they want, and allow California citizens to vote to license and register or not.
In fact I'd grandfather in all current gun owners and not require that they be licensed or register their guns, the only restriction being they could only sell their gun to a licensed person or dealer, and could only buy an additional gun or guns if they became licensed and registered their new gun along with those already owned by them.
So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?
Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.
Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?
Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.
You are incorrect!
You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.
Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.
You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!
Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License
i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.
Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.
27.7% of guns used in crimes were sold by legally licensed FFL's....
I don't see how ANYONE can not view this as a REAL and JUSTIFIED problem?
It is a problem and the seller should be given life in prison if the crime that resulted from their illegal sale caused a death...
It will make a dealer think twice before illegally selling a gun or a purchaser would also think twice if they are buying the gun legally and then selling it illegally to someone that is not allow to own a gun...
Most of us who support gun control measures do not see gun owners as you self report to be the problem. And most of us responsible supporters of rational gun laws do not support the repeal of the 2nd A. We want people properly vetted.
I for one want to see all gun owners licensed and all guns registered on a State by State basis. Let Texas do what they want, and allow California citizens to vote to license and register or not.
In fact I'd grandfather in all current gun owners and not require that they be licensed or register their guns, the only restriction being they could only sell their gun to a licensed person or dealer, and could only buy an additional gun or guns if they became licensed and registered their new gun along with those already owned by them.
So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?
Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.
Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?
Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.
You are incorrect!
You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.
Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.
You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!
Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License
i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.
Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.
Now you make a good argument on your last part and your first part was just being sarcastic and I know better...
I feel the same about open and carry and would prefer to conceal and carry so a possible robber does not know I am carrying. In a robbery the robber will take out the gun carrier first and then go on with their robbery. Now some will argue that the gun carrier can get the drop if it were to happen but real life is not the movies most of the time.
So I would conceal and carry but that is just me.
As for your first part of your response you very well know that hunting in the wild is different than carrying your shotgun around with you to your local restaurant or bar...
Personally I do not believe in open and carry but if someone is legally licensed then by all mean carry the damn thing but I still support a business right to deny open and carry within their establishment or property...
Most of us who support gun control measures do not see gun owners as you self report to be the problem. And most of us responsible supporters of rational gun laws do not support the repeal of the 2nd A. We want people properly vetted.
I for one want to see all gun owners licensed and all guns registered on a State by State basis. Let Texas do what they want, and allow California citizens to vote to license and register or not.
In fact I'd grandfather in all current gun owners and not require that they be licensed or register their guns, the only restriction being they could only sell their gun to a licensed person or dealer, and could only buy an additional gun or guns if they became licensed and registered their new gun along with those already owned by them.
So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?
Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.
Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?
Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.
You are incorrect!
You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.
Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.
You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!
Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License
i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.
Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.
Police go through a very extensive background check which includes a psychological evaluation.
Most of us who support gun control measures do not see gun owners as you self report to be the problem. And most of us responsible supporters of rational gun laws do not support the repeal of the 2nd A. We want people properly vetted.
I for one want to see all gun owners licensed and all guns registered on a State by State basis. Let Texas do what they want, and allow California citizens to vote to license and register or not.
In fact I'd grandfather in all current gun owners and not require that they be licensed or register their guns, the only restriction being they could only sell their gun to a licensed person or dealer, and could only buy an additional gun or guns if they became licensed and registered their new gun along with those already owned by them.
So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?
Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.
Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?
Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.
You are incorrect!
You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.
Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.
You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!
Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License
i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.
Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.
Police go through a very extensive background check which includes a psychological evaluation.
Illinois requires every gun owner to have an FOID card.I cannot fathom why Hillary even opened her mouth. Doesn't she realize that many of the Democrat party are NRA members and avid hunters? I also cannot fathom why Obama, who is supposed to be the leader of the Democrat Party, opted to use executive order to infuriate a whole bunch of voters. He could easily have simply done nothing and eased on out of office. His action will cause some who were sitting on the fence to vote against Hillary especially since she has decided to enter the fray as well. There are an awful lot of Democrats and Independents who are heavily into guns. To me, it's a stupid political move on both Obama's and Hillary's part.
It's a principled move and every Democrat understands that there are many Americans who are single issue voters. But not every gun owner who heard what with The President or HRC said consider their remarks are unreasonable or irrational.
You claim hunters will lose their rights to own a hunting rifle, that claim is not substantiated by anything said by Obama or Clinton!
Why should I have to move to exercise my rights?
Segregation was "the law" as well, I guess MLK just should have deferred to the government and let them get away with it......
You haven't answered the question either, why should I have to wait 3-6 months and pay $1000 to get a pistol permit?
OK, so be like MLK and start making speeches and get thousands of others who believe as do you to march on DC. A million gun owners at the mall singing we will overcome, and you making an I have a dream speech where one day my little children can bring an AR-15 to second grade show and tell.
Go for it, be a leader!
I cannot fathom why Hillary even opened her mouth. Doesn't she realize that many of the Democrat party are NRA members and avid hunters? I also cannot fathom why Obama, who is supposed to be the leader of the Democrat Party, opted to use executive order to infuriate a whole bunch of voters. He could easily have simply done nothing and eased on out of office. His action will cause some who were sitting on the fence to vote against Hillary especially since she has decided to enter the fray as well. There are an awful lot of Democrats and Independents who are heavily into guns. To me, it's a stupid political move on both Obama's and Hillary's part.
It's a principled move and every Democrat understands that there are many Americans who are single issue voters. But not every gun owner who heard what with The President or HRC said consider their remarks are unreasonable or irrational.
You claim hunters will lose their rights to own a hunting rifle, that claim is not substantiated by anything said by Obama or Clinton!
Why should I have to move to exercise my rights?
Segregation was "the law" as well, I guess MLK just should have deferred to the government and let them get away with it......
You haven't answered the question either, why should I have to wait 3-6 months and pay $1000 to get a pistol permit?
OK, so be like MLK and start making speeches and get thousands of others who believe as do you to march on DC. A million gun owners at the mall singing we will overcome, and you making an I have a dream speech where one day my little children can bring an AR-15 to second grade show and tell.
Go for it, be a leader!
Apparently you can't read. Nowhere did I state that hunters would lose any rights. Do you have these spells of dementia often?
Post 118, "I cannot fathom why Hillary even opened her mouth. Doesn't she realize that many of the Democrat party are NRA members and avid hunters?"
The implication being that hunter's are effected by the EO. Why would you include them if it were not an effort to pass on propaganda?
No. I simply stated a fact. You can't accept the fact that many Democrats are gun owners? I hate to break it to you but they really are. Now, since you brought it up and I didn't, many hunters do sell a firearm or two every now and again. A hunter, Democrat or Republican, might own a .243 and is not happy with it and wants to sell it to another hunter, Democrat or Republican, so he can then purchase a .270 or another rifle. It happens. Get real.
Fine, but how does one hunter know that the gun he sells to another hunter is not intended to kill his wife/SO or a dozen strangers eating at a McDonalds'?
Of course no one can be certain, but if everyone who wanted to own a gun was licensed, and therefor vetted, the odds are better that the hunter simply wanted to hunt legally, no poach or murder.
Most of us who support gun control measures do not see gun owners as you self report to be the problem. And most of us responsible supporters of rational gun laws do not support the repeal of the 2nd A. We want people properly vetted.
I for one want to see all gun owners licensed and all guns registered on a State by State basis. Let Texas do what they want, and allow California citizens to vote to license and register or not.
In fact I'd grandfather in all current gun owners and not require that they be licensed or register their guns, the only restriction being they could only sell their gun to a licensed person or dealer, and could only buy an additional gun or guns if they became licensed and registered their new gun along with those already owned by them.
So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?
Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.
Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?
Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.
You are incorrect!
You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.
Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.
You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!
Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License
i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.
Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.
Police go through a very extensive background check which includes a psychological evaluation.
So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?
Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.
Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?
Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.
You are incorrect!
You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.
Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.
You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!
Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License
i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.
Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.
Now you make a good argument on your last part and your first part was just being sarcastic and I know better...
I feel the same about open and carry and would prefer to conceal and carry so a possible robber does not know I am carrying. In a robbery the robber will take out the gun carrier first and then go on with their robbery. Now some will argue that the gun carrier can get the drop if it were to happen but real life is not the movies most of the time.
So I would conceal and carry but that is just me.
As for your first part of your response you very well know that hunting in the wild is different than carrying your shotgun around with you to your local restaurant or bar...
Personally I do not believe in open and carry but if someone is legally licensed then by all mean carry the damn thing but I still support a business right to deny open and carry within their establishment or property...
The first part was being sarcastic, but where does open carry end? I say if a establishment wants to limit their business to those who do not carry that is their right as it is their right to always decide who are their clientele.
I dont know why. If someone wants to carry a long gun, go ahead. I personally dont see much need for it but I cant think of a good reason to make it illegal either.Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.
You are incorrect!
You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.
Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.
You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!
Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License
i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.
Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.
Now you make a good argument on your last part and your first part was just being sarcastic and I know better...
I feel the same about open and carry and would prefer to conceal and carry so a possible robber does not know I am carrying. In a robbery the robber will take out the gun carrier first and then go on with their robbery. Now some will argue that the gun carrier can get the drop if it were to happen but real life is not the movies most of the time.
So I would conceal and carry but that is just me.
As for your first part of your response you very well know that hunting in the wild is different than carrying your shotgun around with you to your local restaurant or bar...
Personally I do not believe in open and carry but if someone is legally licensed then by all mean carry the damn thing but I still support a business right to deny open and carry within their establishment or property...
The first part was being sarcastic, but where does open carry end? I say if a establishment wants to limit their business to those who do not carry that is their right as it is their right to always decide who are their clientele.
So are you saying I need a open and carry license to hunt?
If so then no!
I am not going to carry my shotgun in a restaurant and it is illegal still here in the state of Texas even under the new law...
Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.
You are incorrect!
You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.
Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.
You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!
Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License
i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.
Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.
Now you make a good argument on your last part and your first part was just being sarcastic and I know better...
I feel the same about open and carry and would prefer to conceal and carry so a possible robber does not know I am carrying. In a robbery the robber will take out the gun carrier first and then go on with their robbery. Now some will argue that the gun carrier can get the drop if it were to happen but real life is not the movies most of the time.
So I would conceal and carry but that is just me.
As for your first part of your response you very well know that hunting in the wild is different than carrying your shotgun around with you to your local restaurant or bar...
Personally I do not believe in open and carry but if someone is legally licensed then by all mean carry the damn thing but I still support a business right to deny open and carry within their establishment or property...
The first part was being sarcastic, but where does open carry end? I say if a establishment wants to limit their business to those who do not carry that is their right as it is their right to always decide who are their clientele.
So are you saying I need a open and carry license to hunt?
If so then no!
I am not going to carry my shotgun in a restaurant and it is illegal still here in the state of Texas even under the new law...
Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.
You are incorrect!
You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.
Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.
You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!
Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License
i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.
Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.
Now you make a good argument on your last part and your first part was just being sarcastic and I know better...
I feel the same about open and carry and would prefer to conceal and carry so a possible robber does not know I am carrying. In a robbery the robber will take out the gun carrier first and then go on with their robbery. Now some will argue that the gun carrier can get the drop if it were to happen but real life is not the movies most of the time.
So I would conceal and carry but that is just me.
As for your first part of your response you very well know that hunting in the wild is different than carrying your shotgun around with you to your local restaurant or bar...
Personally I do not believe in open and carry but if someone is legally licensed then by all mean carry the damn thing but I still support a business right to deny open and carry within their establishment or property...
The first part was being sarcastic, but where does open carry end? I say if a establishment wants to limit their business to those who do not carry that is their right as it is their right to always decide who are their clientele.
So are you saying I need a open and carry license to hunt?
If so then no!
I am not going to carry my shotgun in a restaurant and it is illegal still here in the state of Texas even under the new law...
You are incorrect!
You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.
Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.
You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!
Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License
i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.
Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.
Now you make a good argument on your last part and your first part was just being sarcastic and I know better...
I feel the same about open and carry and would prefer to conceal and carry so a possible robber does not know I am carrying. In a robbery the robber will take out the gun carrier first and then go on with their robbery. Now some will argue that the gun carrier can get the drop if it were to happen but real life is not the movies most of the time.
So I would conceal and carry but that is just me.
As for your first part of your response you very well know that hunting in the wild is different than carrying your shotgun around with you to your local restaurant or bar...
Personally I do not believe in open and carry but if someone is legally licensed then by all mean carry the damn thing but I still support a business right to deny open and carry within their establishment or property...
The first part was being sarcastic, but where does open carry end? I say if a establishment wants to limit their business to those who do not carry that is their right as it is their right to always decide who are their clientele.
So are you saying I need a open and carry license to hunt?
If so then no!
I am not going to carry my shotgun in a restaurant and it is illegal still here in the state of Texas even under the new law...
I am just wondering. I know the man who was open carrying before an Obama rally. He was outside the parameter before Obama arrived. He was arrested and taken to jail. Later to be proven innocent. So there must be some confusion as to when an where a person can carry, at least in my state.
You are incorrect!
You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.
Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.
You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!
Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License
i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.
Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.
Now you make a good argument on your last part and your first part was just being sarcastic and I know better...
I feel the same about open and carry and would prefer to conceal and carry so a possible robber does not know I am carrying. In a robbery the robber will take out the gun carrier first and then go on with their robbery. Now some will argue that the gun carrier can get the drop if it were to happen but real life is not the movies most of the time.
So I would conceal and carry but that is just me.
As for your first part of your response you very well know that hunting in the wild is different than carrying your shotgun around with you to your local restaurant or bar...
Personally I do not believe in open and carry but if someone is legally licensed then by all mean carry the damn thing but I still support a business right to deny open and carry within their establishment or property...
The first part was being sarcastic, but where does open carry end? I say if a establishment wants to limit their business to those who do not carry that is their right as it is their right to always decide who are their clientele.
So are you saying I need a open and carry license to hunt?
If so then no!
I am not going to carry my shotgun in a restaurant and it is illegal still here in the state of Texas even under the new law...
Actually my point is, if you can open carry without a permit why do you need a permit to conceal and carry? I don't see a whole lot of difference.
My opinion on gun control is that if you want to own a gun then you control the gun. If you can't protect it from being stolen and used in a criminal activity then the person is somewhat responsible. Gun control should mean controlling your gun. Both by keeping it on your person and learning to use it safely and properly.
Fourteen years of a daily presence in 30-40 inner-city ghetto and public housing project shit-holes, providing IT oversight and service delivery, services programming, delivery, quality improvement and development (fundraising) and government contract and accrediting organization performance and compliance assurance and routine and substantive interaction with client populations, on behalf of an ancient and revered metropolitan-scale social services agency.We (or somebody else who actually gives a flying phukk) can debate your protestations about the label "The Left" some other time, in some other context...If they invested on TENTH the energy on fighting the ghetto and gangsta mindsets that put so little value on human life, that they do in trying to fight the Second and scores of millions of law-abiding firearms-owning loyal Americans...The left hates the second and guns.
They could clear up ninety percent of gun-crime without registering a single gun or licensing a single user or vetting a single app...
But that would require honest and critical self-assessment and admission of great culpability...
"The left" is nothing more than a pejorative used by the ignorant who disdain those who challenge everything they have been told to believe.
The claim 90 percent of gun-crime emanates from the ghetto is covert racism and hyperbole.
No evidence supports the conclusion that licensing and registration cannot reduce gun violence in America, violence which far exceeds the gun violence in every other western style democracy.
As to the rest, until Blacks convince THEMSELVES that Black LIves Matter, they will continue killing themselves in overwhelming disproportion to their numbers.
It is not hyperbole, although it is, indeed, 'racist', insofar as it acknowleges a difference in behavior between the races in this country.
It is you (The Left's) inability to deal with this Reality that is more responsible than any other factor, in actually addressing the issue and beginning to solve the crisis.
When you (The Left) become more honest with yourselves about Blackand Latino inner-city violence, you will have discovered the Road to Self-Rescue - the only path that is going to take you where you need to go.
I worked my way through college working with inner-city kids of a variety of ethnicity, coaching baseball, basketball, soccer, flag football and even ran chess and ping pong tournaments. I also coached CYO Basketball, LL Baseball and Pony League Baseball for 25 years during the time I worked as a deputy, supervisor and manager with a LE Agency.
What's your experience?
Owning or selling a gun is not the problem. What is it going to take for liberals to see that ?and individuals should be held responsible...i agree Dillo, in the cases of mass murders, but the other 8000 murdered a year, not so much...27.7% of guns used in crimes were sold by legally licensed FFL's....
I don't see how ANYONE can not view this as a REAL and JUSTIFIED problem?
Crazy PEOPLE are the problem. Not guns.
FFL's are trafficking their guns to the black market....27.7% of the guns used in crimes that were confiscated, traced directly back to LEGAL FFL Gun sellers... that's a problem that needs to be addressed.
and 100% can be traced back to the manufacturer. Individuals must be held responsible for what they do with a gun and anything else for that matter.
AND the FFL's who intentionally sell to gun traffickers need to be held responsible as well...
Most of us who support gun control measures do not see gun owners as you self report to be the problem. And most of us responsible supporters of rational gun laws do not support the repeal of the 2nd A. We want people properly vetted.
I for one want to see all gun owners licensed and all guns registered on a State by State basis. Let Texas do what they want, and allow California citizens to vote to license and register or not.
In fact I'd grandfather in all current gun owners and not require that they be licensed or register their guns, the only restriction being they could only sell their gun to a licensed person or dealer, and could only buy an additional gun or guns if they became licensed and registered their new gun along with those already owned by them.
So someone gets more rights than me because they got there first?
Again, I don't trust any more gun control legislation while my rights in NYC continue to be infringed.
Why should it take me 3-6 months and $1000 to get a handgun permit for my own home?
Why? Because it's the law. Move to Texas if this upsets you so. There you can parade around the streets with your beloved gun on your hip & be free from the law you oppose.
You are incorrect!
You should first read the actual open and carry law, and understand a business also has the right to deny open and carry.
Also Texas is not the only state to allow open and carry and you have to be license to open and carry.
You should actually read the law first before making wild claims because I can not parade around with my shotgun and would not anyway!
Open Carry : Texas Concealed Handgun License
i thought open carry was the law of the land in states that allowed hunting. Hard to hunt if you have to conceal your weapon. My opinion is, whatever the police are allowed to do the citizens have the same ability.
Personally I don't think open carry protects a person more then concealed carry. What open carry does is allow a person to know where your weapon is and it might actually be the target of a robbery. Especially women carrying openly.
Police go through a very extensive background check which includes a psychological evaluation.
