elektra
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That is a nice red diaper doper baby reply, pussy
HHS Secretary Kennedy AGAIN Says CIA Killed JFK, AGAIN Media Completely Ignores it.
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Note how leftists here don't want to agree with anything coming out of the WH regardless of it's validity.
They're all just Establishment pukes who refuse to indulge any conspiracy theory that goes outside their cult ideology.
They're all just Establishment pukes who refuse to indulge any conspiracy theory that goes outside their cult ideology.
Yes, there is a sordid Rockefeller connection running through all this. It has to do with Indonesia. Even less is known about that than what is known about Oswald.
Nelson Rockefeller had NY mob connections. There was a meeting upstate prior to the assassination. There was also a phone call in which Rockefeller participated.
That guy's just an asshole. I have him on ignore, he's too stupid to engage.
He thinks his ridiculous assertions are going to contradict mounds of evidence. Talk about beating your head against a brick wall ...
Soupnazi630
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It is an accurate reply retard
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You have never posted evidence motherucker
It is you and only you posting baseless assertions
LordBrownTrout
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They don't want to hear the truth. Just like the mRNA injections and the studies, abstracts, research, that shows how injurious and deadly they are. They dont want the truth. The lie is their truth.
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Not even remotely the same
We now know the media lies constantly. And they have no qualms about doing it. Most do it without sweating from their lies. WW 2 is when we started to change into a deep state nation. Our Federal Government from 1913 until then we were slowly enveloped into the new realities. After that war, we treated our own citizens like garbage at times testing WMD's on them. A lot we will never know. We question some of the inoculations we receive even up to today. Kennedy was an era when most people who were alive, we lost the last thread of innocence, as a nation. The technology even basic compared to today had near instant Television news.
Exactly.
Here is the deposition of Joseph Campisi. He gives you dates. You don't have to read too far between the lines to get the picture.
Helpful context -
mafiagenealogy.com
The Campisi family of Dallas, Texas
The Campisi family of Dallas, Texas, famous for a chain of restaurants and friendships with notorious gangsters, has always claimed the rumors are just that.
mafiagenealogy.com
RoshawnMarkwees
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Why did the CIA try to kill Edwin Walker, too? How could they have possibly failed? Why would the CIA want to murder a Dallas cop?
The Edwin Walker incident is one of the best and most revealing incidents in this whole sordid story.
If you'll bear with me, I'll tell you about "Oswald's rifle".
The real story is pretty simple. But there's so much bullshit around it that it becomes very confusing even to the experts.
They wouldn't. They had nothing to do with Tippit.
"Oswald's Rifle"
So let's start with the official deep state story line. Deep state wants us to believe that Oswald purchased the rifle in March, used it to shoot at Edwin Walker in April, then buried it near some railroad tracks. Then at some unknown point unburied it and loaded it into Ruth Paine's car with his other possessions, whereupon it traveled to New Orleans - and he had it the whole time he was in New Orleans, then took it back to Dallas and used it to kill Kennedy.
There are so many problems with this story you can smell the stench from miles away.
Oswald allegedly used the false name "Hidell" to mail-order the rifle, yet had it delivered to a PO Box registered in his real name. Who would be so stupid? No one.
So let's backtrack to the origins of the rifle. There were only two WW2 rifles that used clip fed mechanisms, one was the Mannlicher-Carcano and the other was the Garand M1. Remember that, it'll become important later.
The main issue with the Oswald rifle story is not the rifle itself, but rather, the ammunition. But let's start with the rifle. The rifle itself supposedly came from the Italian government, which in 1958 sold a batch of 570,000 WW-2 surplus Mannlicher-Carcanos to Crescent Firearms. (Via a financial consolidate called Adam Consolidated Consortium, with Sicilian lawyer Alberto Bagnasco and Philadelphia lawyer Andrew Farnese acting as middlemen). Before Louis Feldsott, the owner of Crescent (and the Folsom Arms Company of NY, which was part of the Adam Consortium), received them they were worked on by a gentleman named Luciano Riva, whose job it was to remove all identifying markings. Crescent in turn then sold a part of the batch to Klein's Sporting Goods, which then allegedly sold one to Oswald-Hidell. The first problem is that Oswald's rifle still had all the identifying marks on it, whereas Riva had ground them all off on the ones that ended up at Klein's.
After arriving at Crescent, the rifle sat in a storage box in a warehouse, until it was pulled by Crescent employee Fred Rupp for delivery to Klein's. Out of all the 570,000 rifles, this particular box pulled by Rupp is the only one that didn't have a manifest of serial numbers. The box was sold to Klein's in June of 1962 and pulled by Rupp for delivery to Klein's in Feb of 1963. It was Crescent order number 3178, carton number 3376.
Oswald's rifle had serial number C2766. But this particular rifle, didn't have the same "Made in Italy" stamp as the ones Riva put on, and it still had all the markings, which Riva had ground off from his. So then a logical question becomes, "who else had WW-2 surplus Mannlicher Carcano rifles for sale?" The answer leaps out at us, and this is where the ammunition comes in.
The answer is, the CIA (using the USMC for legitimacy) purchased a large quantity of them for use in the 1954 coup d'etat in Guatemala. You probably already know that story, United Fruit Co and etc. Operation PBSUCCESS. Led by the Dulles brothers. And, in 1954 the CIA placed an order for 4 million 6.5mm rounds from the Western Cartridge Company, which did not fit and could not be used in any of the USMC weapons. This ammo was copper jacketed military load, very different from the lead rounds used by civilians.
Well... after the coup in Guatemala, there were 2 million rounds left over. They were purchased by the George Zucker Sales Company in Chicago in 1962, according to an FBI memo written in response to Agent Jevons' research into the Western Cartridge Company sale. So basically, this is the only place copper jacketed rounds could have come from. The only other option is that the JFK shooter used dangerously unreliable 20 year old ammo from WW-2.
More to follow. We haven't gotten to the good part yet.
So let's start with the official deep state story line. Deep state wants us to believe that Oswald purchased the rifle in March, used it to shoot at Edwin Walker in April, then buried it near some railroad tracks. Then at some unknown point unburied it and loaded it into Ruth Paine's car with his other possessions, whereupon it traveled to New Orleans - and he had it the whole time he was in New Orleans, then took it back to Dallas and used it to kill Kennedy.
There are so many problems with this story you can smell the stench from miles away.
Oswald allegedly used the false name "Hidell" to mail-order the rifle, yet had it delivered to a PO Box registered in his real name. Who would be so stupid? No one.
So let's backtrack to the origins of the rifle. There were only two WW2 rifles that used clip fed mechanisms, one was the Mannlicher-Carcano and the other was the Garand M1. Remember that, it'll become important later.
The main issue with the Oswald rifle story is not the rifle itself, but rather, the ammunition. But let's start with the rifle. The rifle itself supposedly came from the Italian government, which in 1958 sold a batch of 570,000 WW-2 surplus Mannlicher-Carcanos to Crescent Firearms. (Via a financial consolidate called Adam Consolidated Consortium, with Sicilian lawyer Alberto Bagnasco and Philadelphia lawyer Andrew Farnese acting as middlemen). Before Louis Feldsott, the owner of Crescent (and the Folsom Arms Company of NY, which was part of the Adam Consortium), received them they were worked on by a gentleman named Luciano Riva, whose job it was to remove all identifying markings. Crescent in turn then sold a part of the batch to Klein's Sporting Goods, which then allegedly sold one to Oswald-Hidell. The first problem is that Oswald's rifle still had all the identifying marks on it, whereas Riva had ground them all off on the ones that ended up at Klein's.
After arriving at Crescent, the rifle sat in a storage box in a warehouse, until it was pulled by Crescent employee Fred Rupp for delivery to Klein's. Out of all the 570,000 rifles, this particular box pulled by Rupp is the only one that didn't have a manifest of serial numbers. The box was sold to Klein's in June of 1962 and pulled by Rupp for delivery to Klein's in Feb of 1963. It was Crescent order number 3178, carton number 3376.
Oswald's rifle had serial number C2766. But this particular rifle, didn't have the same "Made in Italy" stamp as the ones Riva put on, and it still had all the markings, which Riva had ground off from his. So then a logical question becomes, "who else had WW-2 surplus Mannlicher Carcano rifles for sale?" The answer leaps out at us, and this is where the ammunition comes in.
The answer is, the CIA (using the USMC for legitimacy) purchased a large quantity of them for use in the 1954 coup d'etat in Guatemala. You probably already know that story, United Fruit Co and etc. Operation PBSUCCESS. Led by the Dulles brothers. And, in 1954 the CIA placed an order for 4 million 6.5mm rounds from the Western Cartridge Company, which did not fit and could not be used in any of the USMC weapons. This ammo was copper jacketed military load, very different from the lead rounds used by civilians.
Well... after the coup in Guatemala, there were 2 million rounds left over. They were purchased by the George Zucker Sales Company in Chicago in 1962, according to an FBI memo written in response to Agent Jevons' research into the Western Cartridge Company sale. So basically, this is the only place copper jacketed rounds could have come from. The only other option is that the JFK shooter used dangerously unreliable 20 year old ammo from WW-2.
More to follow. We haven't gotten to the good part yet.
So then, let's consider the unlikely possibility that Oswald really did use 20 year old ammo. Turns out the Western Cartridge Co manufactured copper jacketed 6.5mm rounds for the Italians during WW2. After the war, they sold what they had left to private arms dealers around the country. The FBI did a thorough and exhaustive search for any arms dealers in the Dallas area that might have held or sold such ammo. There were only two, both of them were individuals. FBI agent Frank Ellsworth arrested one of them 4 days before the assassination. This material is covered in Warren Commission exhibit CE-2694.
The individual in question was named John Thomas Masen. He had an underground pipeline, a supplier at Ft Killeen named Capt George Charles Nonte Jr. A deal was supposed to go down on Nov 18 1963 but the FBI intercepted the shipment and arrested the driver. The driver's name was Donnell Darius Whitter. He was a mechanic by trade, and one of his customers was JACK RUBY.
This fellow Masen, sold weapons to the Cubans, as well as right wing organizations like the Minutemen, who were also involved in anti-Castro activities. Specifically one of his best customers was Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro, who was involved in Operation 40 and Alpha 66, and whom you should read about elsewhere, like here:
aarclibrary.org
So this becomes a possible connection with the rogue anti-Castro Cuban exiles at the CIA's Miami station, all of who were moonlighting for the mob, most notably Santo Traficante.
The other dealer who might have had a supply of copper jacketed 6.5mm bullets was John H Brinegar, and he said he definitely had some, had gotten them in West Virginia, and sold some of them to Masen. Brinegar pointed out to the FBI that only a certain rare type of 6.5mm bullet could be fired from a surplus Mannlicher Carcano. He said he had only purchased one case, and sold 20 boxes to Masen. Hm. 20 boxes isn't enough to assassinate Castro. So why would the Cubans be interested in 20 boxes of this oddball ammo?
There's one interesting thing though - the FBI didn't look in Chicago. They only looked in Dallas.
Anyway ... before we talk about the casings found at the Book Depository (and the clip apparently "not" found there), let's review Edwin Walker. As I mentioned in another thread, Gen Walker was adamant that the bullet in evidence at the HSCA was not the bullet that had been fired at him. He wrote to Deputy AG Bell in 1979:
"I saw the hunk of lead picked up by a policeman in my house, and I took it from him and I inspected it carefully.
There is no mistake. There has been a substitution for the bullet fired by Oswald and taken out of my house."
Who was it who said that "after the Walker shooting, Oswald buried the rifle near some railroad tracks"? It was Marina. How did she know? "They told me". Who is "they"? Well, "they" turns out to be Michael Paine and George de Mohrenschildt. Both of whom lied under oath about the famous "backyard photo" showing Oswald holding the rifle. Marina is the ONLY source for this information, and it's credibility is near zero. Oswald didn't even have a cleaning kit, he couldn't have buried anything.
Then there is the mysterious entry in Ruth Paine's diary - "Oct 23 - LHO purchase of rifle". Interesting, that.
Anyway, we'll move on to the Book Depository after a break.
The individual in question was named John Thomas Masen. He had an underground pipeline, a supplier at Ft Killeen named Capt George Charles Nonte Jr. A deal was supposed to go down on Nov 18 1963 but the FBI intercepted the shipment and arrested the driver. The driver's name was Donnell Darius Whitter. He was a mechanic by trade, and one of his customers was JACK RUBY.
This fellow Masen, sold weapons to the Cubans, as well as right wing organizations like the Minutemen, who were also involved in anti-Castro activities. Specifically one of his best customers was Manuel Rodriguez Orcarberro, who was involved in Operation 40 and Alpha 66, and whom you should read about elsewhere, like here:
Cuban exile told sons he trained Oswald, JFK’s accused assassin, at a secret CIA camp - ASSASSINATION ARCHIVES
By Nora Gámez Torres Updated October 29, 2021 9:59 AM Almost 40 years after his death following a bar brawl in Key Biscayne, Ricardo Morales, known as “Monkey” — contract CIA worker, anti-Castro militant, counter-intelligence chief for Venezuela, FBI informant and drug dealer — returned to the...
aarclibrary.org
So this becomes a possible connection with the rogue anti-Castro Cuban exiles at the CIA's Miami station, all of who were moonlighting for the mob, most notably Santo Traficante.
The other dealer who might have had a supply of copper jacketed 6.5mm bullets was John H Brinegar, and he said he definitely had some, had gotten them in West Virginia, and sold some of them to Masen. Brinegar pointed out to the FBI that only a certain rare type of 6.5mm bullet could be fired from a surplus Mannlicher Carcano. He said he had only purchased one case, and sold 20 boxes to Masen. Hm. 20 boxes isn't enough to assassinate Castro. So why would the Cubans be interested in 20 boxes of this oddball ammo?
There's one interesting thing though - the FBI didn't look in Chicago. They only looked in Dallas.
Anyway ... before we talk about the casings found at the Book Depository (and the clip apparently "not" found there), let's review Edwin Walker. As I mentioned in another thread, Gen Walker was adamant that the bullet in evidence at the HSCA was not the bullet that had been fired at him. He wrote to Deputy AG Bell in 1979:
"I saw the hunk of lead picked up by a policeman in my house, and I took it from him and I inspected it carefully.
There is no mistake. There has been a substitution for the bullet fired by Oswald and taken out of my house."
Who was it who said that "after the Walker shooting, Oswald buried the rifle near some railroad tracks"? It was Marina. How did she know? "They told me". Who is "they"? Well, "they" turns out to be Michael Paine and George de Mohrenschildt. Both of whom lied under oath about the famous "backyard photo" showing Oswald holding the rifle. Marina is the ONLY source for this information, and it's credibility is near zero. Oswald didn't even have a cleaning kit, he couldn't have buried anything.
Then there is the mysterious entry in Ruth Paine's diary - "Oct 23 - LHO purchase of rifle". Interesting, that.
Anyway, we'll move on to the Book Depository after a break.
candycorn
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Test came back positive on his hands having gun powder residue.
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We all know that RFKJr is nutty as a rat on speed.
He had residue on his hands because he killed the President and a police officer.
He had residue on his hands because he killed the President and a police officer.
elektra
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I dont need to believe the democrats are destroying our country on purpose. The evidence is clear to see.
The CIA and JFK, seems that all happened while democrats were in total control. Yes, TAPS can be heard.
The CIA and JFK, seems that all happened while democrats were in total control. Yes, TAPS can be heard.
elektra
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Here we see how democrats think the derogatory name for those who suffer down syndrome is an insult.
Democrats, soupnazi, this is why the democrats are not gaining support. Democrats are all hate, spewing from their mouths no different than their mentors.
Nazi, kkk, democrat senate leader/kkk leader robert byrd to kamala, Biden, Pelosi aoc and the jihad squad.
Soupnazi? Haha, vegan broth
elektra
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Rockerfeller was also in the Eisenhower administration. He was not in the inner circle. The Rockefellers managed to get Rockefeller men into the CIA during the Eisenhower administration.
The Rockefellers planned the bay of pigs, helped plan the bay of pigs. Kennedy never supported the Bay of Pigs
Follow the money. How much did the Rockefellers and their friends lose when Castro stole their sugar plantations. Castro's states in his biography that Americans stole Cuban land. Cubans being the Spanish conquerors who killed 100% of the natives.
Now you know the rest of the story
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