Zone1 Here's Why White Guilt About Slavery Is Insane

[Mr. Friscus]

Great. Then correct it for me. I don't think you can because The Hayes compromise was the downfall of democracy in the south.

After the Civil War, during Reconstruction (1865–1877), Black men were elected to Southern state legislatures through the protection of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments and the Reconstruction Acts of 1867, which mandated interracial voting. Supported by federal troops, the Republican Party, and coalitions with white "carpetbaggers" and "scalawags," over 600 African Americans served in state legislatures, pushing for public education and civil rights.

Key Factors in the Election of Black Legislators:

• Constitutional Amendments & Federal Acts: The 15th Amendment (1870) prohibited states from denying voting rights based on race. The Reconstruction Act of 1867 required Southern states to draft new constitutions allowing Black men to vote and hold office.
• The Republican Party Coalition: In the South, Black voters formed the backbone of the Republican Party, working with "carpetbaggers" (Northern migrants) and "scalawags" (Southern white Republicans) to secure positions.
• Military Protection: Federal troops stationed in the South protected Black voters from violent backlash by groups like the Ku Klux Klan during elections.
• Political Organization: Black leaders, many of whom were formerly enslaved, organized locally, particularly in states like South Carolina, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

Impact and Decline:

• Legislative Role: Black officials were instrumental in establishing public school systems in the South.
• Representative Examples: Notable figures included Hiram Revels (Mississippi), Robert Smalls (South Carolina), and Matthew Gaines (Texas).
• End of Reconstruction: After 1877, the withdrawal of federal troops allowed for the rise of Jim Crow laws, voter suppression, and violence, which effectively ended this period of political representation.

The power and influence of white supremacist groups, including those aligned with or succeeding the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), effectively increased in terms of political control in the South after the Compromise of 1877.
The Compromise of 1877 marked the end of Reconstruction, which involved the withdrawal of the last remaining federal troops from the South by President Rutherford B. Hayes. This created a power vacuum that allowed local white leaders to regain control.
Here is how this affected the situation:

• Removal of Protections: Federal troops had been protecting African Americans and Republican governments in the South. Once these troops were withdrawn, white supremacist groups were able to act without fear of federal intervention.
• Rise of "Redeemers": The period after Reconstruction saw the rise of "Redeemers"—white Southern Democrats who sought to regain control of state governments. Paramilitary groups like the White League and Red Shirts, which emerged from the same racist ideology as the KKK, used violence and intimidation to suppress Republican voting.
• Establishment of Jim Crow: The shift allowed for the establishment of Jim Crow laws, which stripped African Americans of their political, economic, and civil rights.

While the original incarnation of the KKK was largely suppressed by federal actions earlier in the 1870s (specifically the Enforcement Acts of 1870 and 1871), the terroristic methods and goals of the Klan were adopted by other organizations that thrived after the Compromise of 1877.

If I want to debate AI, I’ll do that. I don’t think you even know what you’re talking about and are just copy pasting gigantic walls of claims that AI generated (from which sources, who knows)

If YOU want to make a claim or two we can discuss.. go ahead. But copy pasting 50 narrative claims is just ridiculous

 

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If I want to debate AI, I’ll do that. I don’t think you even know what you’re talking about and are just copy pasting gigantic walls of claims that AI generated (from which sources, who knows)

If YOU want to make a claim or two we can discuss.. go ahead. But copy pasting 50 narrative claims is just ridiculous

You should want truth. I know the history. I haven't posted one single thing that isn't true.

Most of our race problems today can be traced to the British and the Democratic Party. The Republican Party did blacks no favor by agreeing to the compromise. The Democratic Party wanted federal troops out of the south more than they wanted the presidency. No AI needed. I already knew these things. I used AI to support what I already knew.

So if you want to argue most of our race problems today aren't because of the British and the Democratic Party be my guest. If you want to argue the Republican Party did blacks a favor by pulling the troops out of the south, be my guest. Because I've already provided the history.

 

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Modern woke pseudo-history paints a fabricated story of slavery; that white men came to Africa, stole Africans from their lands, and brought them to America. It was White American men, and only White American men, who were guilty of this, and it was a large majority of them as well. This was unique to the world at the time and in world history, and is a special evil in the history of mankind.

Of course, this is all complete nonsense, and is just woke propaganda we were taught in schools or are being told by politicians or media pundits today. But it's important to look at the context and just how insanely wrong these claims are. Let's look at total number of slaves, for example:

It is absolutely true that the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, in which Africans captured other Africans and sold them, shipped approximately 12.5 million slaves across the Atlantic to the Americas.

The Issue becomes where those slaves were taken. A woke liberal would probably assume that 12.5 million slaves were taken from Africa and sent to the American south. That would be insanely false. The breakdown looks like this:

• 5.4 million were sent to Brazil
• 3.6 million were sent to the Carribean
• 1.2 million were sent to Jamaica
• 900,000 were sent to St. Dominique (French Colony)
• 889,000 were sent to Cuba
• 470,000 were sent to the United States

So in this cry of woke left Democrat social justice warriors... cries of the unique evil of America, white men, etc... they make the claims they do when American only partook in 3% of the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade.

Add to that how there were only about 390,000 slave owners in the USA out of a population of 31 million... and you have approximately 1.2% of the population participating or benefitting from it, yet is that what Democrats, leftists, or educators say, address, or teach?

Slavery is an evil that has existed as long as human history has. All races have been enslaved, many continue to be. As far as America is concerned, it basically happened for 90 years nearly 200 years ago. However, no woke Democrat can legitimately point the finger at the USA as some unique evil in slavery, nor can they say we were any leader in it. They need to point the finger at Africans of the times first, and then all the South American/Brazilian/Carribean nations who were far greater participants.

And this is just the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. Again, Slavery exists across the world at far greater rates throughout history.

So, any person who wants to demonize the USA and White people as a unique evil as far as slavery, or as a major historical cause of it, is just revealing their tragic indoctrination and ignorance of history.

There is absolutely no reason why any white person today should feel guilty for what happened in the past. They had absolutely nothing to do with it. The real culprits are the British and the Democratic Party. And there is no one alive today that had anything to do with it.

However, those "institutions" still exist today and have never apologized for their roles in American slavery. I'm not holding my breath that they ever will. They are the ones who should feel guilt.

 

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Classic Strawman. Nice work.

It's only a straw-man because of the degree. I don't believe it is a straw-man to say the far left likes to play the victim card and assign blame. That seems to be standard operating procedure. I'm not a fan of the blame game. I prefer keeping my power rather than transferring it to an external source.

 

[MarathonMike]

Alas this is a Zone 1 thread so I'm unable to accurately assess your reading comprehension level.

Now you are getting personal which is the last refuge of a lost argument. Move along.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

You should want truth. I know the history. I haven't posted one single thing that isn't true.

Most of our race problems today can be traced to the British and the Democratic Party. The Republican Party did blacks no favor by agreeing to the compromise. The Democratic Party wanted federal troops out of the south more than they wanted the presidency. No AI needed. I already knew these things. I used AI to support what I already knew.

Sure you did .

And you've provided no reason behind your claims. You just pasted them, and they were just claims.

So if you want to argue most of our race problems today aren't because of the British and the Democratic Party be my guest. If you want to argue the Republican Party did blacks a favor by pulling the troops out of the south, be my guest. Because I've already provided the history.

I'm discussing how the USA, and whites, aren't to be held as some sort of guilty party in modern America.. and how little we were involved in the Atlantic slave trade. You're going off and blaming the British as pretty much inventing slavery.. despite even Egyptian writings depicting slavery. Asian, European, Middle Eastern, African slavery has existed as long as human history.. and in far more barbaric forms.

 

[alang1216]

It's only a straw-man because of the degree. I don't believe it is a straw-man to say the far left likes to play the victim card and assign blame. That seems to be standard operating procedure. I'm not a fan of the blame game. I prefer keeping my power rather than transferring it to an external source.

The 'far left' was not in the OP. Are you moving the goalposts?

 

[MarathonMike]

Aside from your subtext and that of "IM2", among many others here ???

Or maybe the "many" others aren't so many.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Ive reported this crap. Facts pulled out of his arse.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

The 'far left' was not in the OP. Are you moving the goalposts?

I just don't get how you can try to say these narratives aren't being pushed. BLM, CRT, and the 1619 Project are MAJOR racial institutions in the Democrat party. Biden referenced white "original sin" as far as slavery. Reparations continue to be suggested by the left. Democrat politicians, media pundits, academics, entertainers, movies, etc. continually reference the evilness of white people in regard to slavery. It smacks you in the head around every turn for the past 20 years.

and you're saying "Huh? I never noticed"?

 

[Concerned American]

Modern woke pseudo-history paints a fabricated story of slavery; that white men came to Africa, stole Africans from their lands, and brought them to America. It was White American men, and only White American men, who were guilty of this, and it was a large majority of them as well. This was unique to the world at the time and in world history, and is a special evil in the history of mankind.

Of course, this is all complete nonsense, and is just woke propaganda we were taught in schools or are being told by politicians or media pundits today. But it's important to look at the context and just how insanely wrong these claims are. Let's look at total number of slaves, for example:

It is absolutely true that the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, in which Africans captured other Africans and sold them, shipped approximately 12.5 million slaves across the Atlantic to the Americas.

The Issue becomes where those slaves were taken. A woke liberal would probably assume that 12.5 million slaves were taken from Africa and sent to the American south. That would be insanely false. The breakdown looks like this:

• 5.4 million were sent to Brazil
• 3.6 million were sent to the Carribean
• 1.2 million were sent to Jamaica
• 900,000 were sent to St. Dominique (French Colony)
• 889,000 were sent to Cuba
• 470,000 were sent to the United States

So in this cry of woke left Democrat social justice warriors... cries of the unique evil of America, white men, etc... they make the claims they do when American only partook in 3% of the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade.

Add to that how there were only about 390,000 slave owners in the USA out of a population of 31 million... and you have approximately 1.2% of the population participating or benefitting from it, yet is that what Democrats, leftists, or educators say, address, or teach?

Slavery is an evil that has existed as long as human history has. All races have been enslaved, many continue to be. As far as America is concerned, it basically happened for 90 years nearly 200 years ago. However, no woke Democrat can legitimately point the finger at the USA as some unique evil in slavery, nor can they say we were any leader in it. They need to point the finger at Africans of the times first, and then all the South American/Brazilian/Carribean nations who were far greater participants.

And this is just the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. Again, Slavery exists across the world at far greater rates throughout history.

So, any person who wants to demonize the USA and White people as a unique evil as far as slavery, or as a major historical cause of it, is just revealing their tragic indoctrination and ignorance of history.

I find a glaring disparity in your post. While I suspect the majority is based in fact, I find your figures of 470K slaves sent to the US to supply 390K slave owners hard to swallow as that would indicate that each slave owner would have an average of 1.2 slaves and we all know that figure doesn't stand to muster. Just sayin'

 

[Stryder50]

I find a glaring disparity in your post. While I suspect the majority is based in fact, I find your figures of 470K slaves sent to the US to supply 390K slave owners hard to swallow as that would indicate that each slave owner would have an average of 1.2 slaves and we all know that figure doesn't stand to muster. Just sayin'

Birds and the bees do it ....
Guess your parents never taught you basic biological fact of life.
BTW, U.S. Constitution prohibited importation of slaves to the USA after 1808.

 

[Stryder50]

Or maybe the "many" others aren't so many.

We have more than a baker's dozen operating here.
More than enough IMO.

 

[alang1216]

I just don't get how you can try to say these narratives aren't being pushed. BLM, CRT, and the 1619 Project are MAJOR racial institutions in the Democrat party. Biden referenced white "original sin" as far as slavery. Reparations continue to be suggested by the left. Democrat politicians, media pundits, academics, entertainers, movies, etc. continually reference the evilness of white people in regard to slavery. It smacks you in the head around every turn for the past 20 years.

and you're saying "Huh? I never noticed"?

Certainly Dems are more sympathetic to the concerns of Blacks than the GOP and recognize racism as a historical legacy of the US. Slavery was an evil and the majority of slave owners in this country were White. You may not want to hear it but it is a fact.

There are some on the left that want reparations but that is hardly a mainstream issue for the left.

 

[katsteve2012]

Thread author, Do you have a link to support your statements that are presented as facts in your opening post?

I will let your thread stand for an hour in order to give you time to include a link per thread creation guidelines*.
*When starting a new thread and declaring something as fact in your opening post, you must link to a source.
(From the site guidelines)

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I find a glaring disparity in your post. While I suspect the majority is based in fact, I find your figures of 470K slaves sent to the US to supply 390K slave owners hard to swallow as that would indicate that each slave owner would have an average of 1.2 slaves and we all know that figure doesn't stand to muster. Just sayin'

I get the disparity, and I think I simply didn't clarify something.

1. 470k slaves were sent to the USA in the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade
2. At the height of USA Slavery (not the beginning) there were 390k slave owners. Thus, the initial 470k grew because slaves were allowed to get married and live in cabins and have families in the USA (unlike in Cuba, Brazil, the Carribean, Africa, etc). Even though all slavery is by definition evil... Being a slave in America was a best case scenario as far as options of slavery.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Certainly Dems are more sympathetic to the concerns of Blacks than the GOP and recognize racism as a historical legacy of the US.

Racism occurred, but it's not "a historical legacy of the US". There you go with your leftist hyperbole that I initially pointed out and you seemed to deny. I'm glad we got past your initial pretending and can address the truth.

And I'd say Democrats aren't more sympathetic to the concerns of black Americans, they just want to give them candy bars (easy, free stuff) rather than encourage them to eat healthy (which isn't fun).

Slavery was an evil and the majority of slave owners in this country were White. You may not want to hear it but it is a fact.

See how you distort the facts though? At the height of slavery, only 1.2% of white people owned slaves. That shows a correct representation of the overall "white community" being extremely minimal in slavery. Meanwhile, in your loaded language, you say "the majority of slave owners were white"... which is meant to suggest it was a gigantic issue in the white community.

It's 1.2% of the population we're talking about. That's the whole graph. You're chopping off the graph.

There are some on the left that want reparations but that is hardly a mainstream issue for the left.

It's absolutely accepted on the left and I've never seen it rejected, even if it hasn't been officially proposed. The rhetoric is what matters.

 

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The 'far left' was not in the OP. Are you moving the goalposts?

Would you rather I include them all?

 

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Certainly Dems are more sympathetic to the concerns of Blacks than the GOP and recognize racism as a historical legacy of the US. Slavery was an evil and the majority of slave owners in this country were White. You may not want to hear it but it is a fact.

There are some on the left that want reparations but that is hardly a mainstream issue for the left.

Interesting. What exactly has this supposedly one sided sympathy accomplished? Blacks have disproportionately higher incidents of unwed mothers, single parent mothers, abortion, violent crimes and the list goes on.

Maybe the issue isn't lack of sympathy. Maybe the issue is that government solutions don't work because these are problems that only the black community itself can solve.

But I will tell you what your sympathy accomplishes... you get to feel better about yourself and think you are good person because you are sympathetic to their plight.

 

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I'm discussing how the USA, and whites, aren't to be held as some sort of guilty party in modern America.. and how little we were involved in the Atlantic slave trade. You're going off and blaming the British as pretty much inventing slavery.. despite even Egyptian writings depicting slavery. Asian, European, Middle Eastern, African slavery has existed as long as human history.. and in far more barbaric forms.

But we were involved in the importation of slaves for 20 years after the ratification of the constitution. But that didn't matter because the U.S. slave population was able to reproduce itself, with the population rising from roughly 400,000 to 3.5 million by 1860.

It seems you want to downplay America's role in slavery which is idiotic. I'm not arguing we should feel guilty. I'm arguing we should acknowledge what it is. Which I have done.