Zone1 Here's Why White Guilt About Slavery Is Insane

[Mr. Friscus]

But we were involved in the importation of slaves for 20 years after the ratification of the constitution. But that didn't matter because the U.S. slave population was able to reproduce itself, with the population rising from roughly 400,000 to 3.5 million by 1860.

Which speaks to the much better circumstances for slaves in the USA compared to other places.

It seems you want to downplay America's role in slavery which is idiotic.

Given that the USA is constantly targeted as a primary role... the fact that they had no role in capturing African slaves and only received about 3% of them... I'd say that deserves to be downplayed compared to the mainstream narrative. You don't?

I'm not arguing we should feel guilty.

The left is.

I'm arguing we should acknowledge what it is. Which I have done.

Nobody said otherwise.

 

[IM2]

Things did not really happen in the way portrayed by the OP.

I won't say anymore about the fact that, in many cases, whites would arm a tribe with guns in return for captives.

ALL RISE!

THIS EVENING'S LESSON IS TITLED:

WOKE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!


“In fact, most American slaves were not kidnapped on another continent. Though over 12.7 million Africans were forced onto ships to the Western hemisphere, estimates only have 400,000-500,000 landing in present-day America. How then to account for the four million black slaves who were tilling fields in 1860? “The South did not only produce tobacco, rice, sugar, and cotton as commodities for sale; it produced people.” Slavers called slave-breeding “natural increase,” but there was nothing natural about producing slaves; it took scientific management. Thomas Jefferson bragged to George Washington that the birth of black children was increasing Virginia’s capital stock by four percent annually.

“According to database-backed estimates by David Eltis and David Richardson, only about 389,000 kidnapped Africans were disembarked in the ports of the present-day United States, the majority of them before independence.”

“By 1860, those few hundred thousand Africans had given way to four million African Americans.”

-Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave -Breeding Industry

To be blunt, America had slave breeding “factories” where enslaved people were forced to breed. I call them factories, but they are described as farms in most cases. These “farms” generally had at least a 2:1 female-to-male ratio. In some states, slave production was the number 1 industry. Virginia led the nation in slave production, and PRESIDENT Thomas Jefferson was one of the leading producers.

Using the OP's logic, if we want to play the white man is guiltless game, Africans would be responsible for 389,000 of the slaves that came here. By 1860, that 389,000 became 4 million. This was due to the white man breeding slaves.

Oh, but there is more. You see, when the white racist tries to absolve himself by blaming blacks trying to claim that we enslaved ourselves, it is evidence of how little knowledge the racist has about the depth and complexity of this matter.

In the 1830s, powerful Southern slaveowners wanted to import capital into their states so they could buy more slaves. They came up with a new, two-part idea:

mortgaging slaves; and then turning the mortgages into bonds that could be marketed all over the world.

First, American planters organized new banks, usually in new states like Mississippi and Louisiana. Drawing up lists of slaves for collateral, the planters then mortgaged them to the banks they had created, enabling themselves to buy additional slaves to expand cotton production. To provide capital for those loans, the banks sold bonds to investors from around the globe — London, New York, Amsterdam, Paris. The bond buyers, many of whom lived in countries where slavery was illegal, didn’t own individual slaves — just bonds backed by their value. Planters’ mortgage payments paid the interest and the principle on these bond payments. Enslaved human beings had been, in modern financial lingo, “securitized.”

As slave-backed mortgages became paper bonds, everybody profited — except, obviously, enslaved African Americans whose forced labor repaid owners’ mortgages. But investors owed a piece of slave-earned income. Older slave states such as Maryland and Virginia sold slaves to the new cotton states, at securitization-inflated prices, resulting in slave asset bubble. Cotton factor firms like the now-defunct Lehman Brothers — founded in Alabama — became wildly successful. Lehman moved to Wall Street, and for all these firms, every transaction in slave-earned money flowing in and out of the U.S. earned Wall Street firms a fee.

The infant American financial industry nourished itself on profits taken from financing slave traders, cotton brokers and underwriting slave-backed bonds. But though slavery ended in 1865, in the years after the Civil War, black entrepreneurs would find themselves excluded from a financial system originally built on their bodies.

-Edward E. Baptist and Louis Hyman, American Finance Grew on the Back of Slaves

American Finance Grew on the Back of Slaves

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These slave backed securities were sold worwide and this is what started the wealth this nation has accrued. Whites who did not own slaves owned these securities in the North and in Europe. Africans did not do these things. Whites did. White men specifically. So what is insane is the white racist trying to twist history into blacks being solely responsible for enslaving blacks in America.

 

[IM2]

Interesting. What exactly has this supposedly one sided sympathy accomplished? Blacks have disproportionately higher incidents of unwed mothers, single parent mothers, abortion, violent crimes and the list goes on.

Maybe the issue isn't lack of sympathy. Maybe the issue is that government solutions don't work because these are problems that only the black community itself can solve.

But I will tell you what your sympathy accomplishes... you get to feel better about yourself and think you are good person because you are sympathetic to their plight.

Whites lead in violent crimes. Single parent familie are not the problem. The problem is a matter of economics. White people have received huge amounts of government financial assistance during the course of this nation's existence. In fact, a paper published by Univerity of Boston Law School shows that in the last century, whites received the equivalent of over 1 quintillion dollars in government financial assistance that blacks were excluded from.

Black Reparations for Twentieth Century Federal Housing Discrimination: The Construction of White Wealth and the Effects of Denied Black Homeownership

This year marks the 400th anniversary of the first documented arrival of Africans to the United States, which resulted in the enslavement of approximately 4 mil

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This is the problem, and the government has worked very well for whites. Therefore, it can also work well for everyone else.

 

[ding]

Whites lead in violent crimes.

Maybe you missed where I said disproportionate? As in a per capita basis.

 

[ding]

Single parent familie are not the problem.

It's a huge problem. Fix that problem and everything else will follow.

 

[ding]

White people have received huge amounts of government financial assistance during the course of this nation's existence.

I never saw any of that.

This is the problem, and the government has worked very well for whites. Therefore, it can also work well for everyone else.

There's a reason the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.... they keep doing the same things.

 

[ding]

Which speaks to the much better circumstances for slaves in the USA compared to other places.

Being good at owning people is not something we should be proud of.

 

[Robert W]

Modern woke pseudo-history paints a fabricated story of slavery; that white men came to Africa, stole Africans from their lands, and brought them to America. It was White American men, and only White American men, who were guilty of this, and it was a large majority of them as well. This was unique to the world at the time and in world history, and is a special evil in the history of mankind.

Of course, this is all complete nonsense, and is just woke propaganda we were taught in schools or are being told by politicians or media pundits today. But it's important to look at the context and just how insanely wrong these claims are. Let's look at total number of slaves, for example:

It is absolutely true that the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, in which Africans captured other Africans and sold them, shipped approximately 12.5 million slaves across the Atlantic to the Americas.

The Issue becomes where those slaves were taken. A woke liberal would probably assume that 12.5 million slaves were taken from Africa and sent to the American south. That would be insanely false. The breakdown looks like this:

• 5.4 million were sent to Brazil
• 3.6 million were sent to the Carribean
• 1.2 million were sent to Jamaica
• 900,000 were sent to St. Dominique (French Colony)
• 889,000 were sent to Cuba
• 470,000 were sent to the United States

So in this cry of woke left Democrat social justice warriors... cries of the unique evil of America, white men, etc... they make the claims they do when American only partook in 3% of the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade.

Add to that how there were only about 390,000 slave owners in the USA out of a population of 31 million... and you have approximately 1.2% of the population participating or benefitting from it, yet is that what Democrats, leftists, or educators say, address, or teach?

Slavery is an evil that has existed as long as human history has. All races have been enslaved, many continue to be. As far as America is concerned, it basically happened for 90 years nearly 200 years ago. However, no woke Democrat can legitimately point the finger at the USA as some unique evil in slavery, nor can they say we were any leader in it. They need to point the finger at Africans of the times first, and then all the South American/Brazilian/Carribean nations who were far greater participants.

And this is just the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. Again, Slavery exists across the world at far greater rates throughout history.

So, any person who wants to demonize the USA and White people as a unique evil as far as slavery, or as a major historical cause of it, is just revealing their tragic indoctrination and ignorance of history.

Very well said and totally honest. And also, those in the USA taking in slaves were Democrats. They wanted freedom from the USA they said to run the Government their own way. Why Democrats still refuse to accept responsibility means they are being phony in their claims. as you pointed out.

 

[ding]

Given that the USA is constantly targeted as a primary role... the fact that they had no role in capturing African slaves and only received about 3% of them... I'd say that deserves to be downplayed compared to the mainstream narrative. You don't?

No other country has had the race problem our country has had. I tried to explain to you why this was but you weren't interested.

Feel free to down play it all you want. It won't change the fact that racism in America is worse than it is in any other country that imported slaves.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Being good at owning people is not something we should be proud of.

Where did you get “proud of” from? It’s like people write their own full conversations on here and ignore what was actually said.

It’s just a fact that we weren’t nearly as bad as all others in the Atlantic slave trade as far as treatment of slaves.

 

[IM2]

Maybe you missed where I said disproportionate? As in a per capita basis.

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white
black
other
hispanic	2,006	8,481	43,604
total

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201,524,222

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3,799

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1.89

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8,946

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4.44

[/td][td]
32,945

[/td][td]
16.35

[/td][td]
183,092

[/td][td]
90.85

[/td]
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38,587,063

[/td][td]
4,379

[/td][td]
11.35

[/td][td]
4,229

[/td][td]
10.96

[/td][td]
44,271

[/td][td]
114.73

[/td][td]
98,748

[/td][td]
255.91

[/td]
[td]
24,332,846

[/td][td]
205

[/td][td]
0.84

[/td][td]
340

[/td][td]
1.40

[/td][td]
1,322

[/td][td]
5.43

[/td][td]
9,191

[/td][td]
37.77

[/td]
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51,684,709

[/td][td]
1,052

[/td][td]
2.04

[/td]
[td]
3.88

[/td]
[td]
16.41

[/td]
[td]
84.37

[/td]
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316,128,839

[/td][td]
9,435

[/td][td]
2.98

[/td][td]
15,521

[/td][td]
4.91

[/td][td]
87,019

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334,635

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I did not miss it because it is a statement that has no merit. It is intellectually lazy. Whites lead in violent crime. Whites also have the lowest rates of everything that leads to crime. When you talk about proportion, you miss the fact that if the populations were the same, a whole lot of things would not exist in the black community. Therefore, whites do not get to excuse the high number of violent crimes because there are more of you.

 

[ding]

The left is.

That's because they have a victim mentality. It's how they rile up their base. It's a means to an end. Their leadership doesn't care one bit about blacks.

 

[Robert W]

Being good at owning people is not something we should be proud of.

I have to congratulate the Democrats who owned the slaves for housing them, feeding them, providing clothing and things essential for slaves and not simply hanging them. Hanging a slave would cost the owner a fortune. Slaves then sold for over $1,000 dollars in many cases. Then it was a fortune.

 

[ding]

Where did you get “proud of” from? It’s like people write their own full conversations on here and ignore what was actually said.

It’s just a fact that we weren’t nearly as bad as all others in the Atlantic slave trade as far as treatment of slaves.

Again... not being nearly as bad (which over a 200 year history we were probably worse) is not something to brag about.

 

[Robert W]

That's because they have a victim mentality. It's how they rile up their base. It's a means to an end. Their leadership doesn't care one bit about blacks.

If a person simply listens to the Democrat politicians, since they are proven authoritarians, they want total control of our lives.

 

[cnm]

Modern woke pseudo-history paints a fabricated story of slavery; that white men came to Africa, stole Africans from their lands, and brought them to America. It was White American men, and only White American men, who were guilty of this, and it was a large majority of them as well. This was unique to the world at the time and in world history, and is a special evil in the history of mankind.

Of course, this is all complete nonsense, and is just woke propaganda we were taught in schools or are being told by politicians or media pundits today. But it's important to look at the context and just how insanely wrong these claims are. Let's look at total number of slaves, for example:

It is absolutely true that the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, in which Africans captured other Africans and sold them, shipped approximately 12.5 million slaves across the Atlantic to the Americas.

The Issue becomes where those slaves were taken. A woke liberal would probably assume that 12.5 million slaves were taken from Africa and sent to the American south. That would be insanely false. The breakdown looks like this:

• 5.4 million were sent to Brazil
• 3.6 million were sent to the Carribean
• 1.2 million were sent to Jamaica
• 900,000 were sent to St. Dominique (French Colony)
• 889,000 were sent to Cuba
• 470,000 were sent to the United States

So in this cry of woke left Democrat social justice warriors... cries of the unique evil of America, white men, etc... they make the claims they do when American only partook in 3% of the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade.

Add to that how there were only about 390,000 slave owners in the USA out of a population of 31 million... and you have approximately 1.2% of the population participating or benefitting from it, yet is that what Democrats, leftists, or educators say, address, or teach?

Slavery is an evil that has existed as long as human history has. All races have been enslaved, many continue to be. As far as America is concerned, it basically happened for 90 years nearly 200 years ago. However, no woke Democrat can legitimately point the finger at the USA as some unique evil in slavery, nor can they say we were any leader in it. They need to point the finger at Africans of the times first, and then all the South American/Brazilian/Carribean nations who were far greater participants.

And this is just the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. Again, Slavery exists across the world at far greater rates throughout history.

So, any person who wants to demonize the USA and White people as a unique evil as far as slavery, or as a major historical cause of it, is just revealing their tragic indoctrination and ignorance of history.

How many hay paddocks put to the blade did it take to create those straw men?

 

[ding]

Where did you get “proud of” from? It’s like people write their own full conversations on here and ignore what was actually said.

It’s just a fact that we weren’t nearly as bad as all others in the Atlantic slave trade as far as treatment of slaves.

Again... not being nearly as bad (which over a 200 year history we were probably worse) is not something to brag about.

 

[cnm]

Again... not being nearly as bad (which over a 200 year history we were probably worse) is not something to brag about.

They go with what they have.

 

[Robert W]

I did not miss it because it is a statement that has no merit. It is intellectually lazy. Whites lead in violent crime. Whites also have the lowest rates of everything that leads to crime. When you talk about proportion, you miss the fact that if the populations were the same, a whole lot of things would not exist in the black community. Therefore, whites do not get to excuse the high number of violent crimes because there are more of you.

You sure don't believe in what Martin King preached.

 

[Robert W]

How many hay paddocks put to the blade did it take to create those straw men?

Your blade must wear you out to carry it.