Zone1 Here's Why White Guilt About Slavery Is Insane

[Lisa558]

Except he didn't. Have someone read it to you if you're confused.

Yes, you did. You said that Republicans support the Nazi Party (or would, if it were still around).

And why? Because we don’t believe in giving favoritism to some people and discriminating against others due to skin color.

 

[alang1216]

The thing I hate about an external locus of control is that it totally dismisses accountability and impedes progress. You do realize that some black people actually flourished while others did not. Why do you suppose that is? Was it luck? Did they cheat?

Probably for the same reasons some white people actually flourished while others did not. Every person is unique.

 

[Lisa558]

Probably for the same reasons some white people actually flourished while others did not. Every person is unique.

Exactly! It’s personal accountability.

Some white people flourished when others didn’t because the former were smart, motivated, disciplined, and made wise decisions.

Same with black people. The ones who have NOT flourished are either not too smart, not motivated, not disciplined, and made poor decisions. The ones who HAVE flourished were and did.

And remember: the MAJORITY of blacks are either working class or middle class, with some upper-middle class, the same as whites. They made good decisions and had good values and traits,

 

[alang1216]

Yes, you did. You said that Republicans support the Nazi Party (or would, if it were still around).

And why? Because we don’t believe in giving favoritism to some people and discriminating against others due to skin color.

No, I said the Nazi Party supports the GOP. Very different thing and a fact. Have someone explain it to you.

 

[rightwinger]

I have asked that question probably 20 times:

If “racism” explains why blacks are less educated, poorer, have higher crime rates, etc., then how come “racism” did not hold back all the blacks who moved into the middle class?

The answer of course is something blacktivists can’t admit: that the blacks who moved from poverty to the middle class did so by being motivated, disciplined, taking advantage of opportunities (like Pell Grants), NOT having three illegitimate children when they weren’t married, and obeying laws.

The problem with that answer is that it shows that blacks (like anyone else) are responsible for their own outcomes by virtue of wise choices and good values.

Complex question that is more than blame the victim

Do blacks and others in poverty contribute to their own condition?
Probably yes
Does growing up in poverty make it more difficult to escape poverty?
Yes it does
Are there areas in the U.S. where poverty is concentrated?
Yes there are
Is it more difficult to get a job where you can raise your family out of poverty than it used to be
Yes it is

 

[Hafar1014]

Complex question that is more than blame the victim

Do blacks and others in poverty contribute to their own condition?
Probably yes
Does growing up in poverty make it more difficult to escape poverty?
Yes it does
Are there areas in the U.S. where poverty is concentrated?
Yes there are
Is it more difficult to get a job where you can raise your family out of poverty than it used to be
Yes it is

Black poverty is in democrat cities caused by single mothers no father in the home caused by the welfare state.
The solution marriage and two parent families

 

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Caution, AI just called you an idiot with no credibility or objectivity.

I've been called worse. It's not so bad.

 

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Comparing today’s GOP to the pre-1964 Democratic Party reveals one of the most famous "jersey swaps" in political history. If you took a time machine back to 1955, the political map would look like a photographic negative of today: the South was a "Solid" blue wall, and the GOP was the party of Northern elites and suburban moderates.

Here is how the two compare across the major fault lines of American life.

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1. The "Working Class" Populism​

Both parties, in their respective eras, positioned themselves as the champions of the "forgotten man" against a distant, entrenched elite.

• Pre-1964 Democrats: Their populism was rooted in the New Deal Coalition. It was built on labor unions, farmers, and the white working class. They fought for the "little guy" through massive government programs, infrastructure (like the TVA), and Social Security.
  
  
• Today’s GOP: The populism has shifted toward cultural and national identity. The modern GOP appeals to the same demographic—white working-class and rural voters—but the "elites" they fight are no longer just "Wall Street bankers"; they are "the deep state," "globalists," and "academic elites."

2. The Southern Stronghold​

The most striking similarity is the geography of the base.

• The "Solid South": Before 1964, the South was so Democrat-heavy that the Republican Party barely existed there. Southern Democrats (often called "Dixiecrats") were the most conservative wing of the party, obsessed with states' rights and "traditional" social hierarchies.
  
  
• The Red Wall: Today, that exact same geography—the rural South and the Sun Belt—is the heart of the Republican Party. The arguments for "states' rights" and local control remain central, though the specific policy battles (education, healthcare, voting laws) have evolved.

3. Social Conservatism vs. Radical Change​

Both groups shared a deep skepticism of rapid social engineering directed from Washington, D.C.

• Pre-1964 Democrats: The Southern wing was the primary roadblock to the Civil Rights Movement. They viewed federal intervention as an overreach into their way of life.
  
  
• Today’s GOP: While the modern GOP is officially colorblind in its platform, it occupies a similar role as the "brakeman" on social change. Whether the issue is gender identity, climate policy, or DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion), today’s GOP echoes the old Democratic refrain that the federal government is trying to force "radical" cultural shifts onto local communities.

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The Great Divergence: What Changed?​

The pivot point was 1964. When Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, he famously told an aide, "We have lost the South for a generation." He was right.

So you think this proves today's Republicans are as bad as yesterday's Democrats?

 

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Except it is.

You've lost all credibility.

 

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Probably for the same reasons some white people actually flourished while others did not. Every person is unique.

Exactly. So why are you transferring their control to external sources?

 

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No, I said the Nazi Party supports the GOP. Very different thing and a fact. Have someone explain it to you.

Actually you said the AMERICAN Nazi party supports the GOP. As if the GOP has control over who supports it. SMH.

Blacks escaped the plantation only to rejoin it voluntarily. How's that working out for them?

 

[rightwinger]

Black poverty is in democrat cities caused by single mothers no father in the home caused by the welfare state.
The solution marriage and two parent families

No argument that the breakdown of family structure has made it more difficult to escape poverty for blacks as well as others in poverty.

But that alone is not the only challenge.
Wages for low skilled labor have not kept up with the cost of living
Opportunities to move up to well paying jobs are scarcer

 

[Hafar1014]

No argument that the breakdown of family structure has made it more difficult to escape poverty for blacks as well as others in poverty.

But that alone is not the only challenge.
Wages for low skilled labor have not kept up with the cost of living
Opportunities to move up to well paying jobs are scarcer

Wages have increased more than inflation and they just got the biggest tax cut in history. If your low skilled get better skills.

 

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No argument that the breakdown of family structure has made it more difficult to escape poverty for blacks as well as others in poverty.

Yes, thank you. The nuclear family is important for everyone.

But that alone is not the only challenge.

Agreed.

Wages for low skilled labor have not kept up with the cost of living

Agreed.

Opportunities to move up to well paying jobs are scarcer

Agreed.


See? I'm not a monster.

 

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Wages have increased more than inflation...

That's exactly what our political MASTERS want us to believe. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!!!

 

[Hafar1014]

Yes, thank you. The nuclear family is important for everyone.

Agreed.

Agreed.

Agreed.


See? I'm not a monster.

Single mothers are the main problem. Wages under Trump have increased more than inflation and the working class got the biggest tax cut in history.

 

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Single mothers are the main problem. Wages under Trump have increased more than inflation and the working class got the biggest tax cut in history.

Rising consumer debt - especially of the credit card variety - says otherwise. But don't take my word for it, just wait for the coming economic collapse. There will be much "Gnashing of teeth" and "rending of garments."

 

[rightwinger]

Wages have increased more than inflation and they just got the biggest tax cut in history. If your low skilled get better skills.

Doesn’t always work like that
Not everyone can be a brain surgeon if they work hard enough.

Used to be those in urban areas could get good paying union jobs in manufacturing
If you look at Appalachia, families used to work in coal mines for generations.

 

[Hafar1014]

Rising consumer debt - especially of the credit card variety - says otherwise. But don't take my word for it, just wait for the coming economic collapse. There will be much "Gnashing of teeth" and "rending of garments."

The economy collapsed under Biden its thriving under Trump. We have tax cuts, regulation, cuts, reliable energy policies, increased investment in manufacturing, businesses leaving Europe to build here, wages are up, inflation slowing, gdp 4.3%

 

[Hafar1014]

Doesn’t always work like that
Not everyone can be a brain surgeon if they work hard enough.

Used to be those in urban areas could get good paying union jobs in manufacturing
If you look at Appalachia, families used to work in coal mines for generations.

Then be welder auto mechanic pipe fitter plumber electrician. You make what your worth not what you think you need